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Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport


Weimarer 8 | 442
19 Feb 2020 #1
Will be interesting how much Poland will freak out about this.

Germany plans to get hydrogen shipped through Nordstream II pipeline. Technical its possible, that Russia creates hydrogen gas from natural gas and adds it into the gas delivered through Nordstream II. Simce hydrogen has a very low density, it could be added without cutting natural gas delivered. It can easily be filtered out after reaching Germany. This would deepen the german - russian energy partnership and may also lay the foundation for a potential nordstream III project. Nordstream I deliveres natural gas, nordstream II will deliber natural gas plus hydrogen and a potential nordstream III could deliver pure hydrogen.

This would cut energy prices in Germany dramatical. It also means no transit fees, since the pipelines connect directly to Germany and it immunizes us from transit countries like ukraine.

n-tv.de/politik/Russland-koennte-blauen-Wasserstoff-liefern-article21585313.html
Torq 32 | 2,897
19 Feb 2020 #2
What's that? Germans and Russians gently caressing each other's dicks again?

Surprise, surprise... *rolls eyes*
OP Weimarer 8 | 442
19 Feb 2020 #3
@Torq
No, its called business relationship.

We need energy, russia delivers that energy.

Others are free to offer alternatives for that price.
Torq 32 | 2,897
19 Feb 2020 #4
russia delivers that energy.

Yes, they deliver energy. They also kill their own citizens, murder journalists and invade neighbouring countries. For all that Germany is ready to provide them with tons of money, because you need cheap energy and that's all that counts.

At least you're honest about it. :)
OP Weimarer 8 | 442
19 Feb 2020 #5
@Torq

Saudi Arabia does worse. So thats no option either. Plus i dont want fund islamoshitheads.

Thing is, you cant name an alternative.

But i give you a chance, name me an alternative for Nordstream II, that can provide Germany with affordable energy. Also secure energy that no 3rd parties like Ukraine can cut off.
Torq 32 | 2,897
19 Feb 2020 #6
Norway seems to have a lot of gas. You can get LNG from the US or Quatar (they're not too bad) as well.

Besides, I've heard that Germany is going green, and that you're switching to renewable sources. Why the sudden need of NS2, NS3... NS9 perhaps???
AntV 2 | 175
19 Feb 2020 #7
You can get LNG from the US

Yes, yes, and, hell yes!! Torqi, ole pal, I think it's about time you are made an honorary American! Think of the glory of being a member of the two finest countries on God's green Earth!
Torq 32 | 2,897
19 Feb 2020 #8
I think it's about time you are made an honorary American!

If 1950 Chevrolet truck comes with the title, I might possibly feel inclined to accept it. :)
OP Weimarer 8 | 442
19 Feb 2020 #9
@Torq
LNG is 30% more expensive and not reliable. Shipping gas over atlantic is not reliable. Beside that, Trump is anti german and not reliable as well.

We already get gas from Norway at full capacity. Quatar falls under islamoshithead category.

Only other option would be Canada and a pipeline from Canada to Germany does not exist yet.

Going green means we need more natural gas as backup. It might very well be, that we will even need a Nordstream IV.
Ironside 49 | 10,375
20 Feb 2020 #10
more expensive and not reliable

Is reliable and affordable enough.
AntV 2 | 175
20 Feb 2020 #11
If 1950 Chevrolet truck comes with the title

That's one sweet ride! What color ya want?
OP Weimarer 8 | 442
20 Feb 2020 #12
@Ironside

LNG costs 30% more. We live in capitalism, LNG suppliers are free to offer their product and compete with pipeline gas. Then we see if its bought here.

And no, its not reliable. No product that needs to be shipped over the atlantic will ever be as reliable as pipeline gas. We are germans, we are practical thinking. We can either simply tap it directly or pay 30% more and get it shipped over atlantic, use energy to liquify it ect. Sorry but no.

Also we dont want depend on Trump, who is not trustworthy.
Torq 32 | 2,897
20 Feb 2020 #13
As opposed to Vladimir Putin? Sometimes I wonder...
OP Weimarer 8 | 442
20 Feb 2020 #14
@Torq

Putin has never broken a contract with Germany, Trump has.
johnny reb 24 | 4,293
20 Feb 2020 #15
Germany broke it's word to America first so I don't blame Trump.
Fight fire with fire.
Tell me truthfully, would you rather have Merkel or Trump leading your country ?
OP Weimarer 8 | 442
20 Feb 2020 #16
@johnny reb

None of both.
OP Weimarer 8 | 442
20 Feb 2020 #18
@johnny reb
None of them, Bismarck or Helmut Schmidt.

As for Nordstream II and american LNG,

LNG is 30% more expensive and its idiotic. Why should we ship gigantic amounts of gas that needs energy to be liquified over the Atlantic, when we can get it via a tap for 30% less money?

USA is free to offer its LNG in Germany and the free market will see which product will win.

Im a fan of capitalism and the free market.

Beside that i dont see why Germany should create a dependence of its energy on the trump regime.

Its a very basic thing, Trump is seen to act extremly hostile. Who says that during trade negotiations he doesnt cancel the contracts and halts the ships with LNG?
Crow 139 | 8,167
29 Feb 2020 #20
Bismarck was Serbian. But who isn`t.
Spike31 3 | 1,726
27 May 2020 #21
A new set of US sanctions against North Stream 2. This may sink this project for good

dailysabah.com/business/energy/us-plans-new-sanctions-against-russias-nord-stream-2-pipeline
Vlad1234 16 | 676
27 May 2020 #22
Germany plans to get hydrogen shipped through Nordstream II pipeline. Technical its possible

But what is any sense in it? Use hydrogen extracted from natural gas instead of NG itself?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
28 May 2020 #23
A new set of US sanctions against North Stream 2.

In other words, the US is now directly threatening Europe's energy supplies.

Disgusting.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
30 May 2020 #24
There is light at the end of this special tunnel:

Germany just broke a new record! From January to March this year Germany produced for the first time more energy through renewables (wind, solar) than with fossils (coal, gas, nuclear)!!!

A milestone!!!

After E.on's calculation it had been in May about 5,7 Billion kilowatt hours, about 1 Billion more since April...May had been after that already the fourth month since begin of 2020 which fed more solar energy into the power supply net than 2019.

To "blame" for that is an unusual sunny spring which lets the solar plants run high (the sunniest spring since 1951).

The production of green energy overall has gained quite a bit in Germany, alltogether about 108 Billion kilowatt hours, that equates a rise of about 8% to the last year.

spiegel.de/wirtschaft/service/erneuerbare-energien-sonniges-wetter-im-mai-fuehrt-zu-solarstromrekord-a-2f5857d0-2ef7-4871-9502-a5eb6f5a82eb

So....the 50% renewables have been achieved...now for the 75% (and we can bin these discussions about Nord Stream and LNG's and what not) !!! :)
Vlad1234 16 | 676
30 May 2020 #25
Here in Canada we are planning to phase out natural gas at all.
cbc.ca/news/technology/greener-heating-1.5429709
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
30 May 2020 #26
PS: My own energy provider (GASAG Berlin) uses, produces and distributes already to 100% only renewables.

gasag.de/privatkunden/strom/gasag-strom-fix

So, neither I nor my computer needs Nordstream or LNG's....heh:)
Ironside 49 | 10,375
30 May 2020 #27
for the first time more energy through renewables (wind, solar) than with fossils (coal, gas, nuclear)!!!

I wonder, given the fact they have opened a new big coal fueled power plant.
Must be the way they counted it.
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the sunniest spring since 1951).

oh, you should relocate to Sahara, plenty of free space. I'm sure it can be arranged. Don't worry about land you leave here, we will take a good care of it.

By the way I know you are so called green energy enthusiast but just think some before you post some propaganda produced by people who take taxpayers money and make a good deal for themselves on 'green energy'.
Torq 32 | 2,897
30 May 2020 #28
So....the 50% renewables have been achieved...now for the 75%

Well done, Germany! It must have cost you an arm and a leg though; I doubt if Poland will be able to afford to achieve so much renewable energy in foreseeable future. :-/
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
30 May 2020 #29
Must be the way they counted.

Those plans are already decades old....the Energiewende doesn't work like a sharp cut....but it works...slowly but steadily! :)

oh, you should relocate to Sahara, plenty of free space

Not that easy! Remember Desertec? Ambitious plans to fulfill Europe's energy needs in the Sahara. But it had been learned the hard way that the Sahara has one big error, it's in somebody elses territory, who has his own needs and plans, that's why Desertec failed. Africa generally and the countries in and around the desert region have growing energy needs of their own which need to be fulfilled first.

Or it would develop a similiar situation like with russian gas and Nordstream sooner or later....

but just think some before you post some propaganda

Do you believe these numbers are fake?

Iron, you KNOW that I observe and post these numbers for years and you KNOW that they are slowly but steadily rising...prove that they are all propaganda only!

Actually you should be a green energy enthusiast too, after all in the end it means total independence from russian gas (and everybody else fossils like Saudi oil etc.)...and no more Nordstream! :)

Well done, Germany!

Yeah....that are the things which make me proud (and footie victories of course:)
Vlad1234 16 | 676
30 May 2020 #30
Please, someone explain, what is a sense in hydrogen extracted from natural gas???


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