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Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport


Weimarer 10 | 631
19 Feb 2020 #1
Will be interesting how much Poland will freak out about this.

Germany plans to get hydrogen shipped through Nordstream II pipeline. Technical its possible, that Russia creates hydrogen gas from natural gas and adds it into the gas delivered through Nordstream II. Simce hydrogen has a very low density, it could be added without cutting natural gas delivered. It can easily be filtered out after reaching Germany. This would deepen the german - russian energy partnership and may also lay the foundation for a potential nordstream III project. Nordstream I deliveres natural gas, nordstream II will deliber natural gas plus hydrogen and a potential nordstream III could deliver pure hydrogen.

This would cut energy prices in Germany dramatical. It also means no transit fees, since the pipelines connect directly to Germany and it immunizes us from transit countries like ukraine.

n-tv.de/politik/Russland-koennte-blauen-Wasserstoff-liefern-article21585313.html
Torq 32 | 3,022
19 Feb 2020 #2
What's that? Germans and Russians gently caressing each other's dicks again?

Surprise, surprise... *rolls eyes*
OP Weimarer 10 | 631
19 Feb 2020 #3
@Torq
No, its called business relationship.

We need energy, russia delivers that energy.

Others are free to offer alternatives for that price.
Torq 32 | 3,022
19 Feb 2020 #4
russia delivers that energy.

Yes, they deliver energy. They also kill their own citizens, murder journalists and invade neighbouring countries. For all that Germany is ready to provide them with tons of money, because you need cheap energy and that's all that counts.

At least you're honest about it. :)
OP Weimarer 10 | 631
19 Feb 2020 #5
@Torq

Saudi Arabia does worse. So thats no option either. Plus i dont want fund islamoshitheads.

Thing is, you cant name an alternative.

But i give you a chance, name me an alternative for Nordstream II, that can provide Germany with affordable energy. Also secure energy that no 3rd parties like Ukraine can cut off.
Torq 32 | 3,022
19 Feb 2020 #6
Norway seems to have a lot of gas. You can get LNG from the US or Quatar (they're not too bad) as well.

Besides, I've heard that Germany is going green, and that you're switching to renewable sources. Why the sudden need of NS2, NS3... NS9 perhaps???
AntV 2 | 127
19 Feb 2020 #7
You can get LNG from the US

Yes, yes, and, hell yes!! Torqi, ole pal, I think it's about time you are made an honorary American! Think of the glory of being a member of the two finest countries on God's green Earth!
Torq 32 | 3,022
19 Feb 2020 #8
I think it's about time you are made an honorary American!

If 1950 Chevrolet truck comes with the title, I might possibly feel inclined to accept it. :)
OP Weimarer 10 | 631
19 Feb 2020 #9
@Torq
LNG is 30% more expensive and not reliable. Shipping gas over atlantic is not reliable. Beside that, Trump is anti german and not reliable as well.

We already get gas from Norway at full capacity. Quatar falls under islamoshithead category.

Only other option would be Canada and a pipeline from Canada to Germany does not exist yet.

Going green means we need more natural gas as backup. It might very well be, that we will even need a Nordstream IV.
Ironside 49 | 10,203
20 Feb 2020 #10
more expensive and not reliable

Is reliable and affordable enough.
AntV 2 | 127
20 Feb 2020 #11
If 1950 Chevrolet truck comes with the title

That's one sweet ride! What color ya want?
OP Weimarer 10 | 631
20 Feb 2020 #12
@Ironside

LNG costs 30% more. We live in capitalism, LNG suppliers are free to offer their product and compete with pipeline gas. Then we see if its bought here.

And no, its not reliable. No product that needs to be shipped over the atlantic will ever be as reliable as pipeline gas. We are germans, we are practical thinking. We can either simply tap it directly or pay 30% more and get it shipped over atlantic, use energy to liquify it ect. Sorry but no.

Also we dont want depend on Trump, who is not trustworthy.
Torq 32 | 3,022
20 Feb 2020 #13
As opposed to Vladimir Putin? Sometimes I wonder...
OP Weimarer 10 | 631
20 Feb 2020 #14
@Torq

Putin has never broken a contract with Germany, Trump has.
johnny reb 22 | 4,548
20 Feb 2020 #15
Germany broke it's word to America first so I don't blame Trump.
Fight fire with fire.
Tell me truthfully, would you rather have Merkel or Trump leading your country ?
OP Weimarer 10 | 631
20 Feb 2020 #16
@johnny reb

None of both.
OP Weimarer 10 | 631
20 Feb 2020 #18
@johnny reb
None of them, Bismarck or Helmut Schmidt.

As for Nordstream II and american LNG,

LNG is 30% more expensive and its idiotic. Why should we ship gigantic amounts of gas that needs energy to be liquified over the Atlantic, when we can get it via a tap for 30% less money?

USA is free to offer its LNG in Germany and the free market will see which product will win.

Im a fan of capitalism and the free market.

Beside that i dont see why Germany should create a dependence of its energy on the trump regime.

Its a very basic thing, Trump is seen to act extremly hostile. Who says that during trade negotiations he doesnt cancel the contracts and halts the ships with LNG?
Crow 139 | 8,365
29 Feb 2020 #20
Bismarck was Serbian. But who isn`t.
Spike31 2 | 1,526
1 day ago #21
A new set of US sanctions against North Stream 2. This may sink this project for good

dailysabah.com/business/energy/us-plans-new-sanctions-against-russias-nord-stream-2-pipeline
Vlad1234 16 | 603
1 day ago #22
Germany plans to get hydrogen shipped through Nordstream II pipeline. Technical its possible

But what is any sense in it? Use hydrogen extracted from natural gas instead of NG itself?
delphiandomine 83 | 18,189
14 hrs ago #23
A new set of US sanctions against North Stream 2.

In other words, the US is now directly threatening Europe's energy supplies.

Disgusting.


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