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Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport


Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,316
10 Sep 2021 #361
It does matter! It helps to identify the real problems...only then you can find working solutions.

A convenient scape goat won't avoid the same mistake again...
Ironside 51 | 11,310
11 Sep 2021 #362
that's why so many have a say with every decision.

That is not a factual assumption. That only seems that way. Decisions are being made by the few with the biggest pull in the EU.

Germany is in the middle of all that with a bigger say.
Besides Brussels openly goes for double standards trying to subjugate Poland and Hungary to their rule while Germany clearly is an exception.
If Poland has to obey Brussel's commands and in the same area Germany openly does not have to.
Don't talk to me about imaginary EU just take a closer look at the real one.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,316
11 Sep 2021 #363
Decisions are being made by the few with the biggest pull in the EU.

And why do they have the biggest pull?

It's networking, alliance building....something Poland is notoriously excruciatingly bad with!
Ironside 51 | 11,310
11 Sep 2021 #364
And why do they have the biggest pull?

Why>? Money! You ask the wrong question here. It doesn't matter why Germany has the biggest influence. What matters is the way Germany uses it.

We talk not only about Germany but the EU. It looks like the EU is doing Germany's and France's bidding.
So if the EU is a way those countries facilitate their interests and their influence it cannot be a project where the United European States emarge.

That is clear.
Also, you talk about alliances and building connections. Yes during the cold war while Germany grew economically and build upon its alliances. connections, and common interest. Poland was a Soviet puppet.

To take Germanys place or to be on an equal footing it would need a lot of time and help. The thing is why would Germany or another country helped to build up its competition, They can help to the point where their interest say they should and not a step more.

What you are implying is a typical catch 22.
I think it is high time for Poland to get out of the EU.

Poland is notoriously excruciatingly bad with!

Well, they should put me in charge! Also, I would think that DDR left to its own devices would do much better, I say it would do much worse than Poland.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,316
11 Sep 2021 #365
Why>? Money!

It's alot more than that....EVERY member state has ONE voice....not matter if economical powerhouse Germany or....say.....tiny Luxemburg.

Then topics get discussed and at the end decided....for most stuff a qualified majority of votes is needed....to get decisions to ones liking Germany has to work for supporting votes as much as Luxemburg...

I think it is high time for Poland to get out of the EU.

The idea that Poland would be more successful all alone than in the EU....maybe better at networking....better at building alliances and finding supporters for its cases....well....good luck with that!
Ironside 51 | 11,310
11 Sep 2021 #366
It's a lot more than that.

Economical power is the key here. All the least is either a consequence of that or additional benefit.

Germany has to work for supporting votes

Yeah, and those votes are a good part of the economical-political web that had been build decades before Poland regained independence. To compete with it in a short amount of time and under EU rule is almost impossible.

The idea that Poland would be more successful all alone than in the EU

Who claims that Poland would be all alone? I don't! I don't think Poland should be all alone. Quite the opposite I would see Poland with a lot of friends. Sadly most of the countries in the EU are not that friendly of their friendship is too expensive to be of any interest to Poland.

Hey, I would gladly be friends with Germany but it would need to build on a different platform than it is now.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,316
11 Sep 2021 #367
To compete with it in a short amount of time and under EU rule is almost impossible.

Agreed, but Poland could at least try not to isolate itself....

don't think Poland should be all alone

I don't think so either! Poland should never stand alone again! And it's best hope, it's greatest possibility is being part of such a big club like the EU, with warts and all. Poland only needs to make it work....but for that it needs to commit fully, immerse itself fully, strike roots and build its nets....not only sitting on a fence!

You and others dream always of something better...but it won't come. You take what you have and work with that!
Miloslaw 15 | 4,697
11 Sep 2021 #368
the EU. It looks like the EU is doing Germany's and France's bidding

That is why The UK voted to get out.
And now even Michel Barnier, the man who tried to batter the UK into at least partly remaining in the EU wants France to escape from the controls of the ECJ and their immigration laws and suggests that Berlin has too much power over Paris.

What a pathetic two faced hypocrite he is!
Crow 160 | 9,545
17 Sep 2021 #369
That is why The UK voted to get out.

Am I sensing you are happy about that?

AND for years you opposed me when I spoke of EU`s end, you little peace of moronism.
Novichok 4 | 7,297
12 Oct 2021 #370
you little peace of moronism.

Is that you, Crow? That nice guy everybody loved...
BTW, it's piece, not peace, but we get the point.
Crow 160 | 9,545
13 Oct 2021 #371
Thanks for correction dobri i plemeniti brate.
Novichok 4 | 7,297
15 Oct 2021 #372
You sure are my brother. Most of them here make me sick.

From bloombergquint.com/global-economics/putin-is-back-to-building-financial-fortress-as-reserves-grow

Putin Is Back to Building Financial Fortress as Reserves Grow

Surging oil and gas revenues have pushed Russia's wealth fund to record levels, but President Vladimir Putin wants to save the extra cash for a rainy day.

The words seldom used in the US: "save" and "rainy day". And this:

After approving $35 billion in infrastructure projects from the fund this year, Putin has told the government to limit further spending.

Limit spending? Really? A government that can "limit spending" is racist and hateful.

Finally, this made me want to cry:

"The general line suggests a return to pre-Covid-19 structures running a nearly balanced budget that prioritizes savings..."

Luckily, our American vocabulary police canceled "balanced budget" and "savings" as undemocratic and fascist. Hey, Vlad, you are really mean...
Crow 160 | 9,545
26 Oct 2021 #373
So one of these days Germany would again attack Russia. Say that `germanization` isn`t form of brain cancer.
Alien 12 | 2,803
26 Oct 2021 #375
With Bundes(ab)wehr under Mrs KK our "Abr├╝stungministerin".
Novichok 4 | 7,297
26 Oct 2021 #376
Say that `germanization` isn`t form of brain cancer.

It is not. Woke leftism is. And it is incurable.
Crow 160 | 9,545
26 Oct 2021 #377
Mrs KK

Yes. Mad Anegrat. She could become last nail in Germany`s coffin.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,316
16 Nov 2021 #378
The german Bundesnetzagentur denied Nordstream 2 the certification. That means the launch has to wait....a few months or so.......or longer....

zeit.de/wirtschaft/2021-11/bundesnetzagentur-setzt-zertifizierung-fuer-nord-stream-2-vorerst-aus
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,313
16 Nov 2021 #379
Time to use a cheaper alternative like coal to save the EU countries from an economical disaster casued by the green polcies forced by Germany on others.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,316
16 Nov 2021 #380
Coal isn't cheap, it's dirty and inefficient....

We just have to survive as long till we can install and use real greentech...now that will be cheap....and clean....but till then we might be in for a few instable years!
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,313
16 Nov 2021 #381
Coal isn't cheap, it's dirty and inefficient....

What greentech? The only other alternative are nucler plants.

Its 20 or 30 years before Poland will be able to do that. Right now we need to use coal. Morawiecki is doing harm to Poland agreeing to the German lobby building ineffective machines they want to sell to Poland. A blind greed.

We should stop it!
Miloslaw 15 | 4,697
16 Nov 2021 #382
Anyone who thought that Nordstream 2 was a good idea is a moron in my books.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,316
16 Nov 2021 #383
The only other alternative are nucler plants.

Yeah...well.....since our brainiacs decided to end coal AND nuclear plants at the same time....*bangs head against table*
Miloslaw 15 | 4,697
16 Nov 2021 #384
....*bangs head against table*

I would too.
To abandon Nuclear Power was insane!
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,313
16 Nov 2021 #385
Yeah...well.....since our brainiacs decided to end coal AND nuclear plants at the same time

They think that seeling useless tech to Poland will solve their problem they are wrong. The northstream is not going to solve it either.
They just shoot themselves in the foot. In theory it looks good.
We need stop that madness. Not only Poland, Germans too or you will have to buy electricity from China after 1/3 of your people will freeze to dead.

Gas from Russia and they will bleed you dry.
jon357 72 | 21,233
16 Nov 2021 #386
To abandon Nuclear Power was insane!

Quite. There are safety issues, however nuclear power is getting much safer as time goes on. The new generation of spherical tokomak reactors being developed in the UK (still a few years to go before they're rolled out commercially) will change everything.

Depending on a state as unstable as Russia for energy is a big mistake.
johnny reb 40 | 7,786
16 Nov 2021 #387
Gas from Russia and they will bleed you dry.

UK and EU wholesale gas prices have risen by 17% after Germany's energy regulator suspended approval of the controversial Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline from Russia to Germany.

It said the pipeline's operating company needed to be compliant with German law before it would certify the €10bn (£8.4bn) project.
President Trump tried to tell the Angel that the pipeline would increase Europe's energy dependence on Russia's strangle hold.
Crow 160 | 9,545
17 Nov 2021 #388
So now Germany stopoped Nord Stream. See, life plays ping pong with Germans.
Crow 160 | 9,545
23 Nov 2021 #389
Whether he cuts of the power this winter is something we will find out.

In cooperation with Russia, Serbs built Balkan Stream. Connection also goes to Hungary. Poland should be part of that connection. What Serbian children have, Polish would have too. Winter does not need to be cold in Poland.
jon357 72 | 21,233
23 Nov 2021 #390
Balkan Stream.

Inadequate.

Poland should be part of that connection

They don't want to.

Fortunately, the Polish side are standing up ti Putin, Lukaszenka and Orban's smokescreen at the Belarus border.


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