Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport

YESSS!!!! Is that to much to ask for??? :)


I dunno...the last decades of experience?

Appearances. Look at facts, not at empty talk.

Maybe....it still doesn't help the perception...

Wouldn't that be trading tepid allies with a demanding master, though?

China's Belt and Road Initiative seems to be a good example of China looking to build hegemony, instead of harmony.

If that was true, then PiS would had done everything they could within their power to get Poland out of the EU+NATO and being an constant advocate for leaving said organizations! It is merely using such rhetoric as a bargainening chip and stealing all the electorate it can get from the right side of politics, so that any competition from there is unable to perform better then 20% or more support. Other opposition aren´t able to get the support of that electorate no matter what, so it´s easy support for them and so far only option among right wingers who prefer PiS over PO/Lewica etc

@AntV
If U.S.A, EU and Russia have same aspirations of being a Hegemon. What difference does it make? There aren´t any options right now as I can see it, if they really continue with that behavior and are serious about it

You may hate someone and still take/depend on their money and the cushy benefits an alignment brings...PiS seems to me to fit that bill!


Erm....the voting rights?

In the EU Poland has exactly the same voice as everybody else....its a union of equals....try that with Russia or China...good luck!

If you don't even can make the EU work for you, where you have the same rights and duties as everybody else, how on Earth will you survive alone against Moscow or Beijing?

Perception doesn't matter that much. Anyway, it's only two years left of PiS's reign. All the polls show that PO and Polska2050 will get enough votes to form a coalition government. The PiS era is slowly coming to an end. They did some things well, some things badly, but in general not many people will miss them. Unless they do something spectacular at the end of their reign (I wouldn't hold my breath though).


Nobody bosses Poland around. If China tries that, we will tell them to f**k off too - you can count on that.

@Bratwurst Boy
That´s Konfederacja, using the percieved enemy as much as possible before they fall. In any possible manner, just like most right-wingers in europe.

As I have said before PiS are moderate centrists on the Polish political arena, just like Høyre in Norway. Moderatene in Sweden, conservatives in England I guess? And the most left leaning parts of the republican party in the U.S.

It just hasn´t succumbed to a lot of the leftists agenda like other main centrist parties in the west. Which infuriates centrists and leftists alike in the west

And then I'm fairly sure that damned pipeline can be talked over again...with Merkel long gone...


Suuuuure....:)

Dein Wort in Gottes Ohr!

Just be diplomatic and patient for once....let Putin shoot himself in the foot with it first.

The european support for Nordstream is non-existent by now (also in Germany!!!)...it only needs one blow and it falls!

I guess you haven´t heard of a certain Polish joke... Here it comes:
The chinese called the Germans: "Want to go to war?" The Germans reply: "Bitte, allready had one recently with Russia... Call them instead"
The chinese called the Russians: Want to go to war?" The Russians reply: "We have enough as it is, why not call Poland? They wouldn´t mind"

Then the chinese call the Poles: "Want to go to war? The Poles reply: Sure, how many are there of you?" the chinese reply smilingly: "over 1 billion of us"

The Poles say: "Och Kurwa! Where are we going to bury all of you?!"

The current Syndicate running the US is worthy of high criticism and I don't trust them. Nevertheless, it is not looking to become a hegemon--if anything, it's more aligned to European socialism than any US admin before it. Again, I have major problems with this admin's foreign (as well as domestic) policies, but it's not hegemonic.

As far as the EU, while I would disagree with BB saying each country's voice is the same, the reality is Poland does have a voice in the EU. Not sure what kind of voice China allows, if any. It's important to remember China steals with impunity. It is also very important to recognize China's view of itself as the rightful center of the world. Also don't forget how it has enslaved millions of its own people because they are considered a threat, ie the Uighurs.

Emotions are understandably hot right now in Poland, but the alternatives being thrown around here may be more injurious than the current infliction.

😁

Since 2004 Poland has played by the books just to observe that when the country excels at something or taking over a lucrative market, like the logistics, the rules change by the inspiration of the 'old EU' to protect their interests. The EU is not a free market, it's a rigged gamed steered by those who invented it.

@BratwurstBoy, you as an Eastern German, an Ossi, are fully aware of it, even if you pretend otherwise. You've been screwed by Western Germans big time yourself since the "reunification".

Former DDR is now depopulated, the economy is in sh***y condition and you've been ridiculed by Wessi's as losers who couldn't make it economically and now voting for populists and right-wingers from AdF.

The alternative would be living in a german Ukraine by now or worse.....so I take that "screwing"....it could have gone all so much worse!!!


My family got ridiculed as "Polacken" after their flight from Breslau and resettling in Berlin....it is the fate of the newcomer with empty pockets depending on the help of the richer brethren to be ridiculed and mocked by them....it's not a nice human feature but a reliable one....the most important thing is that they DO HELP, the hurt pride has to take a stand back for awhile!

The thing with the AfD is that they are very pro-Putin and hence totally support the pipeline....its embarassing really....also for an Ossi!

@Spike31
They always have the option of resettling in to Poland, the formal barrier of moving in to Poland is gone for Germans (right?). Any lands being bought in the former parts of Prussia/Germany from the times of partitions will be met with warranted suspicions. Especially those that still haven´t been settled or fixed by the law, while any German settling in southern/eastern parts of the country or the main cities (especially Łódź, Warsaw, Cracow or any of the easternmost minor cities) shouldn´t have any problems and will most likely be met with curiosity and positive bewilderment.

German mass migration in to Poland in a peaceful manner, especially in to Poland´s eastern territories which are poorer/cheaper and would be welcoming with any form of investments wouldn´t mind most likely.


I find it a bit funny reading it after I posted my post

Just like Poles migrating from Kiev to Poland after ww1, and Poles from Lviv after 1945 were called Ruthinians or Ukrainians.
It´s done mainly to see wether you are really are a German or not and how you react to being called us such, getting emotional or not etc. Testing basically.

And, China is a free market, free from being rigged?

China looks more mercantilist than free market to me.

Real pride comes from doing and making things yourself and achieving something significant on your own.

That's worth fighting for and killing for if someone wants to take it from you.

It´s basically using rules of commerce as long as it´s to their own advantage or seen as needed. Just like Great Britain in the 19th century, opening up states for foreign trade (especially British trade) as long as nobody is investing or doesn´t have the interest or possibility of investing in to the British isles. It´s very hard to create a free market without the state or other states interfeering.

Just like a Mafia deciding not to collect any dues from "protection" in the streets that they own. The only time they would want something like is that if they had their own merchant earning the most money from such a market thanks to it, paying them for all the expenditure they have. Making it not only legal but, also impossible to blame or claim them to perform criminal activities. Like having a security firm only for the purpose of protecting markets where the merchant is doing business, and protecting his wares as to increase their own ability to pay legally for ever increasing expenditures

One of those self-evident claims that don't require proof other than to assume the opposite is to assume that those who set it up were just stupid. Call the swamp what you want but stupid they are not. See: covid. That was brilliant.


Assume that everything is "rigged" and you will be 100% correct. The question is for whose benefit. China is for China by any means necessary. The US is for its .1% swamp because the US has elections. China does not and that's why the Chinese top can afford to be patriots. That's the difference.

In China, an individual means nothing and the collective is everything. That's why I prefer the American model. As long as it works

The problem with America is that the tail wags the dog. And that tail is currently trying to extract money from Poland.

They aren't models that you can choose from like a buffet. Both (still evolving) cultures are the way they are after centuries of development in circumstances unique to them; their ways of thinking are rooted in their own circumstances.

Yes, he can. It's called immigration.

No it isn't.

Of course, you can. Poland has done that in the past by denouncing communism.

That period has also produced a form of herd immunity against the madness of modern leftism that is now decomposing the West that is not immune to such disgusting bacteria.

it didn't change it's culture though; nor can you adopt another.

Trying to mimic an economic model, either through force or necessity, merely serves that country whose model is being mimicked.

Well...imagine Europe full of rightist nationalists....they all wouldn't have much time for Poland or any other country not their own..

Okay...you would despise gays and immigrants together but that would be about it....Moscow and Beijing would have a free playing field...They would buy one gov after the other...

For Poland a rather leftist Brussels is better....really!

@Bratwurst Boy
Most right wingers have the goal of ending the EU, since it's leftist. It's like convincing a shark to stop eating fish, but eat plants instead so that he can join the other fishes together. When the sharks only reason is to eat said fishes... If the shark stop eating fish, then also the reason to join with the fishes dissipates.