Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport

She is pressed by industry and business.

Frankly if it's really a question of billions sunk then she should at least do us all the favour and stop the hypocritical blah about infringements of human rights etc...that's what I find so irritating.

Not only already made investment. Also future gains from cheap gas. Why should German industry pay through the nose for another gas if they can get it on the cheap from Russia? Business doesn`t care about politics, it is natural.

See? That is why Poland must be unshackled.

Hmmm. Look at it in a different way. The fact that German business doesn`t care about politics is positive coz its only aim is making profit which in Germany contributes to national prosperity. Prosperity in Germany entails prosperity in Poland, simple, coz we are connected through multiple economic interests and ties. As a Polish patriot, you certainly wish the best for Poland. hahahaha

But, considering Germany's central position in the EU and Merkel's unwavering support of Nordstream among the other member's protest, doesn't this put a serious strain on the Union? It appears that Germany is siding with Russia instead of its members to protect the sole interest of Germany. Or, am I wrong about that perception?

That's in a nutshell!

And not only "Russia", but an autocratic dictator who lets the opposition jail, poison and kill. The same with China!

(And at the same time pointing with a moral finger at any country which might infringe the holy rights and values of the EU btw.)

However it is advantageous for Germany to keep Poland in the middle income trap. Meaning Poland will never achieve high -income fully devalued status if the EU course will be maintained.

Just saying. Not really addressed to you as you are a twat and it goes over your head anyway.


It is a fact. Selling out vital interests of the fringe EU countries for their own economical benefits - hardly an inspiration or a union.

Show us sources for your claim, darling. hahaha
Yes, there is such a danger but it depends solely on Poland as far as I read. That is why I must say your statement is boolshit, until you prove it is not.

Hmmm....I googled that and found an interesting list:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_billionaires

Poland is in place 25...together with Egypt, Finland, Ukraine and Lebanon. 6 Billionaires are polish. And that means Poland is above countries like Greece (3), Cyprus (3), Romania (2), Slovakia (2), Portugal (1), Belgium (1), Liechtenstein (1), Iceland (1) and Hungary (1).

So...it has overtaken some older members of the European Economic Area already. I'm not sure if this is a proof of german meddling though....

Germany is in this list in place 3 with 107 Billionaires...though none of them in East Germany

wealthx.com/intelligence-centre/exclusive-content/2015/123-billionaires-across-germany-but-none-in-five-german-states/

So...it seems there are actual more rich Poles than rich East Germans! Which kind of destroys Iron's idea....

I don't know why are you trying to say BB.

the middle income trap is happens when country's is unable to move from low value added to high value added industries.
the advantages of low cost labor and imitation of foreign technology not longer works when upper middle income levels are reached.
In Poland's economy there is an input driven growth.
There are almost none investments into improved comparativeness and innovations. There is a systematic institutional failure to support and invest into creative economy nor into building up so called social capital.

Those institutions are leftovers from soviet days and should be dismantled all together as they have done in east Germany.
Add to the picture demographic disaster and vole !
Germany doesn't want Poland to become a competitor so they like the things the way they are - simple!

Ha, I can see you are slowly retreating from the boolshit you said earlier. Good. Better late than never.


Don`t take his "ideas" too seriously. He types faster than he thinks. hahaha

You kinda blamed Germany on trapping Poles with middle incomes....if it is so than West Germany is even worse meddling with East Germany and even other european countries....it wouldn't be a kind of anti-polish thing.

Frankly I think Poland isn't doing to bad and it's economy is diversifying and rising, slowly but steadily....and the incomes will rise along with it. It just takes awhile.

It's not a good look. Where do Merkel's successors stand on this?

Even though I don't like organizations like the EU, I'd hate to see it hemorrhage abruptly--that could be traumatic.

Unfortunately, too slowly. So slowly we shall catch up in 100 years. But rightard rulers prefer to hand out benefits to keep power than invest in innivative technologies. Thank you, PiS.

Difficult to say as there is no designated successor in sight yet....I'm not sure if the CDU will make a break with Merkel's policies after her at all...even as I wish there would be some long due corrections!

And the SPD is even more Russia friendly by tradition and so is the LINKE. And the AfD is real Putin-friendly.

The only real noise against the pipeline comes astoundingly from the GREENS...maybe because it's about wasted money in fossils, I dunno...

Define blame. Germany has what it has i.e. economy and Germany does what it does i.e. realizes its interest. There is nothing to blame them for. As it happens some of their polices will hurt Poland's interests and make it really difficult to escape said trap.

It is more so because of the EU thingy.
The EU on a practical level works for Germany and France. Again there is nothing to blame. However a difference between declarative aim of the EU and reality is huge and that gap is growing after Brexit whence EU lost a country that kept it all balanced to same extend.

So there is a strong drive to built an empire with a neo-Marxist ideology as a unifying cultural factor (which included same sex marriages, adoption of kids, LGBT, gender studies and so on). All of that will be basically a new dogma.

On a practical level there won't be any union with states on a equal footing but two or three tier system where Poland and eastern European countries will stay on the bottom rung, as a semi-colonies of the EU core.

All that painted over with the usual gibber jabber of democracy, equality and laws of the market as well as a hefty doze of hate propaganda directed at 'nationalist', 'far-right radicals' and all kind of alleged- phobic.

IF all that would have been put to people in Poland unadorned and showed for what it is and what there is to expect I wouldn't' have had any issues with EU.

The big problem I see is the fact people are being fed a lie while their children are being brainwashed.

So no. I don't think that is anti-polish issue in German politics it rather ,it ain't personal - says a villain in a movie before trying to kill a hero lol!

Although there is an element of using anti-Polish sentiments and stereotypes against any Polish parties or a government that doesn't act as total lacey of German interests.. on the other hand there is a lot of playing on Hitler/ Nazis stereotypes from the other side too.

On that note I think that German populace is rather unaware what they occupation in Poland meant for the local people and what kind of geocidal hell they made it for them. On the other hand they are overfed with Holocausts. Also lots Germans believes that Poland is overplaying so called victim card blowing things out of proportion when in fact the opposite is true.

Oh now some random thought - I think Poland played it cards rather badly before the war to end up like it did. Hell France lost like 20 000 civilians during that war, shipped all their Jews to German dead camps before they even asked and they are victors and heroes of the WWII. lol!

Sure lot of it mounts to economical, military and overall political weight of a country but not all. Frenchies could be laughed at behind their backs as cowards but who cares, they are the ones that laughed last.

Let me get this straight? You believe that LBGT rights are part of a Neo-marxist conspiracy that is behind the EU?

@ BB

So, is it a real possibility the CDU could lose the next election?

Before Covid-19, I would have said yes, now though...I don't think so...

(I don't even see Merkel leaving if I'm honest!)

Oh la la , you got carried away again. Why not stop for a while and think before you type so much and so off-topic? BB pointed to an economic issue from modern times:

You kinda blamed Germany on trapping Poles with middle incomes.

No conspiracy there, just riding a wave of the accepted ideology that so happens is neo-Marxist and put LGBT so called rights on it standards.

Russia better start playing nice or they may suffer worse then they already are.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Russian ruble weakens against US dollar and Euro on Thursday, slipping to a four-year low of more than 75 per US dollar amid weak oil prices, according to the Moscow Exchange data.

If Merkel undermines Nordstream11 it would bring Russia to it's knees.

She really doesn't want to!

If that project is stopped then Moscow's pure ongoing stupidities broke the camel's neck at last....

Impossible. Take Russia as it is or leave it. Simple.


They are used to it, it won`t make any impression on them.

...Chancellor Angela Merkel does not rule out imposing sanctions on a pipeline set to bring Russian gas to Germany in response to the suspected poisoning of a Kremlin critic with a Soviet-style nerve agent, her chief spokesman said on Monday. ...

reuters.com/article/us-russia-politics-navalny-germany/merkel-doesnt-rule-out-sanctions-on-russian-gas-pipeline-spokesman-says-idUSKBN25Y11R

Hmmmm.....

Yeah well it would be a good excuse for her to save face and get out of what was a bad selfish idea in the first place.

Time for Germany to stand up to Putin and take its place as an equal in Europe .

Imagine, one day furious Russian leaders in post Putin era suddenly cut off the supply through the built and operating Nord Stream 2. How seriously will it affect the connected countries? Let`s assume it happens in wintertime.

Yes, especially since it's American sanctions and nothing else that will put it down.

Without those sanctions, Germany would turn a blind eye on just another political murder in Russia. What's new?
And Central and Eastern Europe could talk about a "European energy policy and energy security" as much as they wanted.

Wow!


reuters.com/article/germany-usa-russia/germany-offered-to-build-lng-terminals-to-avert-u-s-pipeline-sanctions-die-zeit-idUKL8N2GD2N0

Berlin offered to spend 1 billion euros ($1.2 billion) to build two liquid natural gas terminals in a bid to dissuade the United States from imposing sanctions over the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, due to bring gas directly from Russia to Germany, Die Zeit reported on Wednesday.

The weekly paper said Finance Minister Olaf Scholz made the proposal in an Aug. 7 letter before Washington imposed sanctions on companies involved in building the Baltic Sea pipeline, effectively freezing its construction....

The LNG terminals were to be built at two locations on the North Sea coast.

"In return, the United States will allow the construction and operation of Nord Stream 2 to proceed unhindered," Die Zeit quoted the letter as saying. "The U.S. will not exercise its legal scope for sanctions."

Isn't that racketeering? As in..."If you don't pay me enough I can hurt you?" ???