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'Fort Trump' Military Base in Poland


Ziemowit 12 | 3,312    
26 Sep 2018  #121
Fort Trump would grease the wheels for Poland's future.

This, of course, is an intentional exaggeration on your part :-). I am not so optimistic myself.

murder rate - germany ranked 29 vs poland 38th ammd 58% higher murder rate

I can see on that site: murder rate: Germany --> 0,86; Poland --> 1,21, so the rate is much higher in Poland.

Poland is only slightly higher when going by murders/murder rate per million due to its lower population

Per million is "per million", so the indicator is independent from a population size. Do you understand the concept of "per million"?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,091    
26 Sep 2018  #122
What i understand is that theres a hell of a lot more rapes and murders in germany than poland, no surprise there thanks to all the 'doctors and engineers' merkel invited in...

Now back on topic
cms neuf - | 770    
26 Sep 2018  #123
Yes that is right. Because it is a bigger country, with twice the population. The rates however are lower.

It might take several hours to explain this to you by the looks of it, so I will let someone else try.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,091    
26 Sep 2018  #124
Per million is "per million", so the indicator is independent from a population size. Do you understand the concept of "per million"?

No it is not. It is a ratio based off the murders / population = x / 1 mln with x / 1mln being rhe murder rate per 1 mln. If a country has a larger population, even if it has more murders than another country it will have a lower murder rate per mln as a result. This is different tban simply murder rate which does not adjust per mln, and simply divided murders/population, which is higher in germany than poland even though murder rate per mln is higher in pl because less murders but far smaller population.

The rates however are lower.

Not the overall murder rate, amount of murders, amount of rapes and rapes per mln. All higher in germany than poland. Poland is only higher in murder rate per mln due to the smaller population from which this ratio is calculated
jon357 64 | 14,382    
26 Sep 2018  #125
For reference,



cms neuf - | 770    
26 Sep 2018  #126
This is just surreal
Tacitus 2 | 860    
26 Sep 2018  #127
And this guy claims to have a college education... .
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
26 Sep 2018  #128
What's wrong with Lithuania? Something in the water???
jon357 64 | 14,382    
26 Sep 2018  #129
Something in the water???

It's a scary place. Wasn't Hannibal Lecter from Lithuania...

Stick to the topic please

Not that Duda's so-called 'Fort trump' would lower any murder rate anywhere...
Tacitus 2 | 860    
26 Sep 2018  #130
more than the education budget

Honestly, do you get some sort of validation by repeating the same absurd - and more than once refuted arguments - over and over again?

As pointed out to you several times, education policies (and thus financing) are heavily directed by the Länder/counties, and indeed are probably the strongest proof of Germany's federalized nature. The entire budget combined spend on education is around 200bn€.
jon357 64 | 14,382    
26 Sep 2018  #131
Stick to the topic please

Probably best to have a word with the person who took the thread off-topic; no offence intended, however threads on all sorts of topics seem to drift to certain issues, often to deliberately distract. This actually mirrors a wider issue in Poland and nearby states.

The current matters of crime rates, demographics, refugees are tangientally related to US/Russia relations, in that it's in Russia's interest to cause internal conflict in Europe.

The 'Fort trump' thing wouldn't make the slightest difference to that. What would make a difference is to stay on top of Putin's cyberwarfare which has involved Russian hacking of major computer systems in Europe, his propaganda machine both covert and overt, and his undue influence (perhaps with kompromat) of certain politicians.

And the battle on that particular front can be done from anywhere in Europe or outside; no need for 'Fort trump'.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,658    
26 Sep 2018  #132
Indeed. Static "bases" are outdated. The battles of the future will be fought in cyberspace, not in some backwater villages in Eastern Poland.

You only need to look at the well publicised cyber attacks on Estonia and Ukraine, as well as the activities of Russian hacker groups in disrupting Western society.
OP johnny reb 16 | 3,136    
27 Sep 2018  #133
That and with the leverage Russia has now on Germany with Nord Stream a blind man can see what is in store for the E.U.

Poland will welcome Fort Trump when the heating gas gets rationed to the E.U. for leverage.
Tacitus 2 | 860    
28 Sep 2018  #134
with the leverage Russia

Russia has no leverage over Germany, certainly no more than Germany has over Russia with Nord Stream. As pointed out many times already, this is just one of the many (over 5000) lies Trump has made up since he became president.

Basic common sense should tell anyone, that even if you eventually account for less than 20% of another countries energy supply, you won't be able to blakckmail them with anything.

Nevermind that Poöand has increased its' coal imports from Russia too.
Ironside 47 | 9,503    
28 Sep 2018  #135
less than 20%

and now they want to double it, right? very wise..no leverage at all. Are you really that naïve or you think that others are just dumb?
Tacitus 2 | 860    
28 Sep 2018  #136
and now they want to double it, right?

This is why I said eventually. Currently Russia accounts for 10% of Germany's energy supply. With Nord Stream 2 it would become slightly less than 20%. Neither 10 or even 20% are any groubd for blackmail.
OP johnny reb 16 | 3,136    
28 Sep 2018  #137
Since Nord Stream flows directly from Russia to Germany, they enable Putin to shut off gas supplies to Nations in Eastern Europe.... POLAND, Ukraine and other Baltic nations while keeping supplies flowing to Germany.

Big time leverage my friend.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,658    
28 Sep 2018  #138
And? I thought you Americans liked the free market, you know, freedom to sell what you want to who you want. I mean, how nice of you to promote socialist measures such as forcing private companies to sell to people that they don't want to sell to.

Or does freedom only apply when the orange baby says it does?
cms neuf - | 770    
28 Sep 2018  #139
That was before - now Trump wants to insulate Americans from the free market and force them to pay more for inferior home produced products. It's a message that resonates in Steubenville Ohio so it must be right.
Ironside 47 | 9,503    
28 Sep 2018  #140
I thought

It is alive!!
I think you just try to provoke some people here. If that your only purpose of posting here i.e. trolling maybe you should just quit this forum>?

shut off gas supplies to Nations in Eastern Europe.... POLAND, Ukraine and other Baltic nations while keeping supplies flowing to Germany.

Exactly. Germany is using NATO to secure their country and at the same time is undreaming it with their Russia deals. If some 10% gains they are willing to do that. what will they do for 40%? Attack USA? What kind of a NATO member Germany is? They declaration as to good relation with Poland is just cheap tall, deeds are louder than words. They prove with the north stream their real intents towards Poland.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,658    
28 Sep 2018  #141
That was before - now Trump wants to insulate Americans from the free market and force them to pay more for inferior home produced products.

All hail the new leader of Socialism, Donald Trump! I mean, can you get any more socialist than trying to run an economy based on the collected works of Enver Hoxha?
OP johnny reb 16 | 3,136    
28 Sep 2018  #142
I think you just try to provoke some people here.

NO Sh!t ! Da ya think ????

Currently Russia accounts for 10% of Germany's energy supply.

Sources please as my sources tells me that four years ago (before Nord Stream) it was closer to 25%.

Germany is using NATO to secure their country and at the same time is undreaming it with their Russia deals

Exactly, this kind of domineering is a big part of WHY Britain wants out of the E.U.
Once Russian gas starts flowing thru Nord Stream into Germany DIRECT much of it can be shipped to France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and other Western nations.

This puts Germany in a position of Power over Western Europe in the same way Russia will have power over Eastern Europe.
Germany already controls Europe which a blind man can see by the construction of the pipeline even with the objections from other European countries.
Nord Stream will allow Germany to dictate policy even more so over Europe.
We now see the stage being set for the resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire.
And people it is going to be a terrible and very violent resurrection.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,533    
28 Sep 2018  #143
Exactly, this kind of domineering is a big part of WHY Britain wants out of the E.U.

Spot on Johnny!
Tacitus 2 | 860    
28 Sep 2018  #144
Sources please as my sources tells me that four years ago (before Nord Stream) it was closer to 25%.

google.de/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/07/13/trump-is-exaggerating-germanys-reliance-on-russia-for-energy.html

In short, imported gas makes up only 20% of Germany's energy supply. And Russia makes up less than 50% of those gas imports.
OP johnny reb 16 | 3,136    
28 Sep 2018  #145
Currently Russia accounts for 10% of Germany's energy supply

Come again.
A how much gas (25%) and how much fossil fuels ?

And Russia makes up less than 50% of those gas imports

And what will it be when Nord Stream is completed ?
And how much gas from Nord Stream coming thru Germany will be distributed to Western Europe ?
Do you remember reading about back in history just before WW2 when Germany and Russia made a deal in which Hitler basically said to Stalin, "Stay out of it Russia and we will take over Europe, then the two of us can split up Poland and other countries between us."

That deal was broken by Germany when Hitler realized that Germany could not conquer Britain and attacked Russia.
Nord Stream allows Germany just one more weapon of leverage against the E.U. this time around.
One more reason for a Camp Trump in Poland.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,091    
28 Sep 2018  #146
@Tacitus

Which will double with nord stream 2, thus making germany twice as reliant - 20% of germanys energy supply is tens of billioms going to russia
delphiandomine 85 | 17,658    
28 Sep 2018  #147
What's the problem? Russia has been delivering gas for over 40 years now without issue. If you're so concerned about Russians controlling energy supply, why don't you complain about the Hungarian power plant being built - without competitive tender - by the Russians? It will mean the Hungarian power supply is controlled and dominated by Russia. Aren't you concerned about that?

Europeans are also decidedly unmipressed by the orange baby's attempt to bully them over their supply of energy.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
28 Sep 2018  #148
Big time leverage my friend.

Leverage for whom?

Do you remember the one and only time the gas supply to the West was shut off? The reason for Nord Stream? Or should I remind you?

It was a blackmail by Ukraine, as it was using the gas in their dispute with Gazprom and didn't want to pay. Ukraine was counting on the russians not stopping the gas delivery because they new Germany and western Europe waited for it. They miscalculated and Germany and other western countries started to freeze.

PURE BLACKMAIL and the winter was just starting.

That was what set the wheels in motion and made Germans and western European look for better ways to secure the gas. Not Russia is the problem but the many countries between Russia and western Europe. Do we trust Russia do deliver? YES! Do we trust you with our gas? NO!

Once Russian gas starts flowing thru Nord Stream into Germany DIRECT much of it can be shipped to France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and other Western nations

Exactly! That's the real reason....Poland, Ukraine etc. fear the loss of leverage...NOT GERMANY! So stop your crocodile tears about "poor russian captive Germany!"
delphiandomine 85 | 17,658    
28 Sep 2018  #149
Do we trust Russia do deliver? YES! Do we trust you with our gas? NO!

Exactly. Russia has been delivering problem-free for years, even during the height of the Cold War in the 1980's. Germany is also building an LNG terminal, so they'll have the choice of gas imports from elsewhere in Europe, Russia, the USA and Qatar among others. Works perfectly for Germany, and balanced imports is what any country should strive for.

Poland is only crying about it because they won't be able to blackmail Russia over transit.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
28 Sep 2018  #150
Yeah...they keep crying about Germany as an energy captive of Russia. But what they really mean is Germany should stay an energy captive of Ukraine and Poland, the transit countries.

THAT is the real reason of all this whining and that faked concern for Germany's energy needs . The worst hypocrits! Do they really think nobody gets that? And that's why the new pipeline will be build...because all these repeated "concerns" are FAKE with only one goal, to keep the status quo, to keep their "leverage" against Russia, at the costs of Germany and western Europe, that's all!


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