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'Fort Trump' Military Base in Poland


Ironside 47 | 9,343    
  29 Sep 2018  #181
I wonder what will happen once Trump leaves office and a new democrat president throws these ideas into the bin again?

It doesn't work that way. If US will invest solidly in Poland, sets procedures and policies, that will go slower or faster in the same direction regardless of who sits in the oval office. Beside Poland is a key country but Poland is not the only country into this deal and doesn't intend to be alone regardless of German's gov concaving to the effect. Poland is well aware of it.

What is this "three seas area"?
visegradinsight.eu
TheOther 5 | 3,709    
  29 Sep 2018  #182
Poland is a key country

Key country in what respect? Certainly not when it comes to military, economic or political power. Do you really believe that Poland will play the same role again that it had some 300+ years ago? At the moment Poland is considered exactly the opposite of a stabilizing factor by most EU members. The country has become more of a troublemaker just like Hungary, and you've lost your most important ally in the union through BREXIT.

Interesting interview from the link you've posted, by the way:

visegradinsight.eu/brexit-a-lesson-for-poland
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
29 Sep 2018  #183
Eu project is a dead man walking. After the nationalists and populists take over even more seats including in the ep itll finally be what it was suppose to and what every pole thought it would be - a union to promote free movement of goods and people, not a supra state organization with unelected bureaucrats lecturing democratically elected leaders about democracy and pushing a far left agenda. Clearly eu citizens are rejecting that.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,684    
  29 Sep 2018  #184
Eu project is a dead man walking.

You are repeating that, but without foundation it is more wishful thinking than anything else. Please provide examples and proof next time...

.... itll finally be what it was suppose to and what every pole thought it would be - a union to promote free movement of goods and people

Isn't that a contradition to what you posted just one sentence before?

The only one happy clapping and cheering about the demise of the EU are Russia and China...I didn't know you are on their side.

What is this "three seas area"?

I don't find anything...can't you tell me?
G (undercover)    
29 Sep 2018  #185
Key country in what respect? Certainly not when it comes to military, economic or political power.

That reminds me of a Greek guy, who used to post here years ago and all his talking how Poland should be grateful to Greece for all their "financing", jobs for Poles etc. :))))
Tacitus 2 | 818    
29 Sep 2018  #186
@Bratwurst Boy

I don't find anything...can't you tell me?

He is probably referring to the Three Sea Initiative.
TheOther 5 | 3,709    
  29 Sep 2018  #188
Poland should be grateful

Grateful or not isn't really the question here. In my opinion, Poland is in a much better position as an EU member than it would be outside the union with unreliable friends and an economic and military clout that is almost negligible (at least at the moment). Do you really believe that the US could replace the EU as the main partner of Poland considering Trump's "America first" approach, or that the Visegrad Group is an alternative to the common market?

That reminds me of a Greek guy

Whom do you have in mind?

The only one happy clapping and cheering about the demise of the EU are Russia and China

And the current American administration.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,684    
  29 Sep 2018  #189
...but Trump won't be eternally president. After him the relationship will be repaired, I'm sure of that. Contrary to Putin and China, the US profits from and needs a strong atlantic alliance and a strong EU, especially as it's adversaries becoming stronger by the year.

That current bruhaha is only temporary. In the end the US always did what's best for it...(and no, that isn't MAGA! :)
delphiandomine 86 | 17,392    
29 Sep 2018  #190
Do you really believe that the US could replace the EU as the main partner of Poland

No. They want a return to the old state of affairs when Poland was begging the Russians to buy their products because no-one else would. The US will only be interested if they can sell American products at a premium without offering anything in return.

And the current American administration.

In general, the Americans hate the EU because the euro represents a serious threat to them. If EU countries could get themselves together and all join the euro, the dollar would be in serious trouble.
TheOther 5 | 3,709    
  29 Sep 2018  #191
After him the relationship will be repaired

Very hard to rebuild trust, and the EU has become a serious competitor.

the euro represents a serious threat to them

Very true. The moment it replaces the petro dollar, America will be toast.

What happened to Iron?
delphiandomine 86 | 17,392    
29 Sep 2018  #192
Very true. The moment it replaces the petro dollar, America will be toast.

The only thing keeping it alive now is the ME countries, and they're hardly predictable. It wouldn't shock me if Trump pushes the EU too far and an agreement is made to import Iran oil for euro regardless of any sanctions. America can only lose in a full on trade war, after all.

What happened to Iron?

Got banned, though I'm not sure why - he was involved in a scrap with Dirk, but they were both giving the abuse out equally and neither was worse than the other.
TheOther 5 | 3,709    
29 Sep 2018  #193
an agreement is made to import Iran oil for euro regardless of any sanctions

Oh, I thought they are already working on something like that to circumvent Trump's threat to punish any (European) company that does business with Iran?
Joker 1 | 839    
  29 Sep 2018  #194
The US will only be interested if they can sell American products at a premium without offering anything in return.

Do you have any facts to support this slander? Or any of the other crap youre spewing here?

America can only lose in a full on trade war, after all.

Bring it on expat! Trump hasn't lost yet!! I cant wait for Fort Trump to open and more and more Americans come to Poland and push your slimey asss out! LOL

Got banned, though I'm not sure why

He received a warning after arguing with you, but the Mods didn't give you one, again. Of course, the rules dont apply when your friend is working. No wonder membership declines when you are around!

Not sure why,,,pffft!
jon357 65 | 13,934    
29 Sep 2018  #195
I thought they are already working on something like that to circumvent Trump's threat

It's very much an empty threat, as empty as Duda's offer of a 'Fort trump'.

The Mango Mussolini's sanctions aren't multilateral and are quite easy to get round. He has no bargaining chips.
Joker 1 | 839    
  29 Sep 2018  #196
as empty as Duda's offer of a 'Fort trump'.

What about the $2Billion?

We all know you hate Trump so much, you will never say anything or admit it will be built, so Im not going to even ask you and DDopey anymore.

However, if it does come to fruition. Im sure you 2 expats will have the biggest meltdown and I would pay good money to see you 2 eat crow! Hahaha
delphiandomine 86 | 17,392    
  29 Sep 2018  #197
Oh, I thought they are already working on something like that to circumvent Trump's threat to punish any (European) company that does business with Iran?

Could be, I haven't been following closely, though I know several European countries were furious at the USA's attempts to dictate things and to interfere in European economies without offering anything in return. Iran is no threat to Europe, and we shouldn't be following the USA's lead blindly.

It's very much an empty threat, as empty as Duda's offer of a 'Fort trump'.

Indeed, the latest news is the Americans want the base in the middle of the country. Why? Why are they so afraid of being on the frontline? Poland wants them on the frontline, and well, the threat to Poland doesn't come from angry citizens of Piotrków Trybunalski, but rather Russia and Belarus.
Joker 1 | 839    
  29 Sep 2018  #198
Iran is no threat to Europe

Really? Who do you think is responsible for most of the past and the current terrorist plots against Europe?

Heres a hint: its not the US

Why are they so afraid of being on the frontline?

Do you understand basic logistics or is this just another one of your silly anti-American troll comments?

Its 11:30pm in Poland on a Saturday night and youre still trolling on this forum all day long. Dang! get a life. 16,472 posts! You better hurry maybe you can achieve 17,000 by midnight LOLOLOL
G (undercover)    
29 Sep 2018  #199
Americans want the base in the middle of the country. Why? Why are they so afraid of being on the frontline?

Why do you "expats" keep talking about issues you clearly have no idea about ? Wheather the base is 100 km more the east or not, is totally irrelevant. It's not a friggin WW1.
jon357 65 | 13,934    
29 Sep 2018  #200
the Americans want the base in the middle of the country. Why?

Because they don't want it at all.
TheOther 5 | 3,709    
29 Sep 2018  #201
keep talking about issues you clearly have no idea about

What makes you the expert?
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
30 Sep 2018  #202
God dam what an amazing speech by Trump at the west virginia rally.

Link to the speech: youtube.com/watch?v=tpMtMq--5qk

Man this guy is awesome - and his speeches are great. His nicknames for people are hilarious too lol - Elizabeth warren = Pocahontas, Crooked Hillary, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, etc.
cms neuf - | 692    
30 Sep 2018  #203
Amusing until he wants to get stuff done and then finds politicians from his own side voting against him.

Of course this nonsense plays well to a West Virginia audience - they are probably all out of their skullls on prescription opiates. I would've thought that highly educated person like you, product of one of America's elite universities, would've been able to see through this.
delphiandomine 86 | 17,392    
30 Sep 2018  #204
What makes you the expert?

Especially that the Polish government want the base in Eastern Poland. Obviously he's admitting that PiS know nothing.
G (undercover)    
30 Sep 2018  #205
What makes you the expert?

A damn load of things. If you decide to educate yourself a bit, you might come across some of my texts.

But let's be hones, you won't, you will keep spreading nonsense here just like the other "expats" do.
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
  30 Sep 2018  #206
What i see is a guy taking on the establishment head on - including traitorous republicans who constantly allow themselves to get punked by democrats. Theyre just like the traitor tories getting punked by labour, no difference.

No matter whether you like trump or not it is perfectly clear that the economy is doing better than it has ever been. I csnt recall markets doing this well, unemployment this low, REAL tax cuts that help me and tens of millions of working americans like me, double digit growth in some states, tariffs helping us businesses like steel grow, etc.

Even the adult tax paying middle/upper middle liberals, amd theres a lot of em here, agree rhe economy is doing fantastically well - better than ever under obama.

You leftists still don't get it. This is a movement, a revolution against the way this country was headed. No more selling the country out, propping up NATO while most don't meet the 2% mark, bullsh1t about tranny bathrooms, no more billions spent on green energy subsidies that end up doing nothing but enriching the chinese as with fisker and a123 battery and finally our nato partners have respect for us. Obama ane bush talked about the free rider problem of nato members, except they lacked the balls to do anything about. They didnr want to rock the boat. Well Trump doesnt care and his supporters LOVE IT. For the first time in decades there's so many things holding america back - political correctness, lobbyists amd the career politicians they pay off, and far left socialists who want to destroy our borders and bring in a bunch of people who only want them bc of votes. You think the left actually gives a sh1t about this dr ford woman or the kids being separated on the border? Hell no! Theres a ton of rapists and sexual abusers in the dems - most notably Bill Clinton
jon357 65 | 13,934    
30 Sep 2018  #207
the Polish government want the base in Eastern Poland. Obviously he's admitting that PiS know nothing.

Basically grandstanding to his core voters east of the Vistula, none of whom actually expect him to achieve anything yet are happy to hear him say it.
delphiandomine 86 | 17,392    
30 Sep 2018  #208
A damn load of things. If you decide to educate yourself a bit, you might come across some of my texts.

Oh, really? Share some with us, why don't you? I do hope you've been writing for something more credible than Gazeta Polska.
G (undercover)    
30 Sep 2018  #209
So let's sum up "expats'" input in this thread:

1. US base is not needed at all in Poland.
2. It's needed but there's no chance for that.
3. There's is a chance but... look ! It's going to be in central Poland, not in the eastern one ! What a buch of losers the PiS folks are !

Don't you dudes have any dose of self-criticizm or shame ? When proven totally wrong, you show up on the next day with "oh but..." instead of admitting you have no clue.

I do hope you've been writing for something more credible than Gazeta Polska.

I will share nothing here as it is a place full of madmen. But there's a range of specialistic publications and websites on defense and security. All contributors and most of readers are well aware that what really matters is how quickly you can get the forces deployed "into the field" and not that much where the base actually is.

In Poland some of the real problems are things like this:
9bkpanc.wp.mil.pl/pl/2.html
not any base in central Poland. When it's too close to the border, there's a risk that dudes are caught with their pants down in case of any sudden "troubles".
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,684    
  30 Sep 2018  #210
3. There's is a chance but... look ! It's going to be in central Poland, not in the eastern one ! What a buch of losers the PiS folks are !

No really, that interests me too. When it's not meant as deterrent for or at the frontline at all (eastern Poland), this camp could theoretically even stay in Germany...why Poland at all?

...what really matters is how quickly you can get the forces deployed "into the field" and not that much where the base actually is....

The time difference between a base in western Poland and Germany are only minutes if needed. Plus they have the logistic and the experiences of decades...


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