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'Fort Trump' Military Base in Poland


delphiandomine 85 | 17,658    
28 Sep 2018  #151
But what they really mean is Germany should stay an energy captive of Ukraine and Poland, the transit countries.

And there's no reason for them to do so. Poland and Ukraine are hardly trustworthy partners today as well.

Also, American gas is more expensive than Russian gas.
G (undercover)    
28 Sep 2018  #152
THAT is the real reason of all this whining and that faked concern for Germany's energy needs .

You fecker "democratcs" are financing the Red army, our main enemy, This is the reason, my "nazi" (the name, you budes apparently picked up for yourself before you start whining) friend. You can't mind your own business. Without your "Baltic pipelines" Soviets wouldn't have started their latest war. Pretty much like your grandpas, Tthis time you invited Kunta Kinte to give yourself "humanitarian" outlook. But the underlinig issue is the same. Thank God you will end up just like the last time.

Also, American gas is more expensive than Russian gas.

Take your Kremlin propaganda and shove it up our dirty ass.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
28 Sep 2018  #153
Thank God you will end up just like the last time.

You hopefully not! ;)

ROFL
delphiandomine 85 | 17,658    
28 Sep 2018  #154
Take your Kremlin propaganda and shove it up our dirty ass.

Why, I didn't know you were that way inclined.
G (undercover)    
28 Sep 2018  #155
Oy vey ! We were expelled from our Heimet ! Oy vey !
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
28 Sep 2018  #156
Calm down G....stop making yourself look ridiculous...
G (undercover)    
28 Sep 2018  #157
Calm down G

I'm calm. I'm just laughing at you.
Tacitus 2 | 860    
28 Sep 2018  #158
And everybody is laughing about you right now.

Just go to bed and rejoin the conversation tomorrow.
G (undercover)    
28 Sep 2018  #159
You and another "nazi" dude are not "everyone". You folks, living in your govenment manufactured utopia about "humanitarian" Germany helping out the whole Europe, are just a sad joke. Watch the Russian guy in another thread seriously thinking they "liberated" Europe. You are pretty much on the same level.
Tacitus 2 | 860    
28 Sep 2018  #160
You know how it is when during a party one late at night one drunken guy starts to make a fool out of himself, and does not quit despite others telling him to do so? You are that guy right now. The only thibg that remains open is how many embarassing posts you'll want to delete tomorrow.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
28 Sep 2018  #161
Yeah...it feels bad poking that drunk....I should refrain from answering in kind....it's just no fair game anymore.
Ironside 47 | 9,503    
28 Sep 2018  #162
Not Russia is the problem but the many countries between Russia and western Europe.

Well, good for you. Just don't came here whining that Poland is anti-German or some such. You do your thing and we do our thing.

IF you thing that going hand in hand with Russia against your allies in NATO and against interests of your partners in the EU. That is what I have been talking about and you were in denial, protesting it all the way to the hilt. Now, you say - yes that what Germany does, you only word it differently. You OK?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
29 Sep 2018  #163
and against interests of your partners in the EU.

Pot...kettle!
Ironside 47 | 9,503    
29 Sep 2018  #164
ou fecker "democratcs" are financing the Red army, our main enemy, T

Of course they do. Duh?
Dude, where all this emotion came from? They ( as in a German state / gov) do, that is not news, of course they do. That was a clever game on their part we can admit it. Hell, they were getting away with that for ages until Trump called them on this - and now all thingy is out in the open. Still everybody knew what they were doing not wasn't exactly a secret. So what?

The issue here was that our German friends on this forum were denying all that. So, all that talk in my opinion was aimed to shower them with some facts and arguments that would make them see clear what is what. To influence our two German buddies on this forum to stop them maybe from blaming it all on Poland or some other similar silly nonsense.

As it happens to my surprise they or at least BB knew it all already. He was paying a game here. To be honest he suspired me. Haven't expected him to posses such a doze cynicism. That all right. However I don't like his other attribute his German conceit. Well I shall survive lol!

My point is there is no need to take it personally. It is a pollical game. Also there is no need to blame our forum German friend for their country policy or that they support it. That Nazi reference is a particularly bad play by you. No need for such silliness. Emotional outbursts in the thread about politics is just a redundant crap to be honest..

ake your Kremlin propaganda and shove it up our dirty ass.@ G (undercover)

Nah, his head prolly already been there few times .....I don't understand why an obvious troll is protected by the mods on this forum - talking about addressee of your friendly advice.

Pot...kettle!

Come on BB. Don't be that kid from a kindergarten. You know what Germany does - and you must be feeling badly about it. Otherwise you wouldn't be so defensive.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
29 Sep 2018  #165
Emotional outbursts in the thread about politics is just a redundant crap to be honest..

Yeah...we can all disagree politely! And we did so for years, right Iron? :)

You know what Germany does - and you must be feeling badly about it. Otherwise you wouldn't be so defensive.

...and you make it impossible to find a middle ground (not you personally mind you).
Ironside 47 | 9,503    
29 Sep 2018  #166
And we did so for years, right Iron? :)

Sure thing BB.

and you make it impossible to find a middle ground

Not sure WHAT are you talking about here? Forum, PF members? Our respective countries/ gov?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
29 Sep 2018  #167
Members of course, only members....I still have hope for our both countries! :)

Better a little ***** fight on PF than anything really serious in RL...
Ironside 47 | 9,503    
29 Sep 2018  #168
Members of course, only members.

There is no middle ground on the Internet. :) Yet, it would help if you were more open, you know straightforward without all that jiffy niffy goodie two shoes play.

Talking politicks straight the way we see it. That could be fun. :)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
29 Sep 2018  #169
I will work on that! :)

I'm starting with a question...put yourself for a moment in Germany's shoes....you are being chancellor in Berlin for a day....after the events of that Ukraine-Gazprom dispute...

You have experienced first hand that a transit country can't be trusted anylonger with the delivery of your paid for and badly needed energy.

Some smart people come up with the idea to circumvent unstable and no longer trustworthy transits. What would you answer them?

Circumvent/side step/dodge/evade??? (My dictionary has just to many words...)
Ironside 47 | 9,503    
29 Sep 2018  #170
Circumvent/

Of course I would go for it! That is logical.
Ironside 47 | 9,503    
29 Sep 2018  #172
You disagree? I would have even used that greedy a-h Schroder or what his name to let Putin think he has an upper hand. Maybe even let him pay for building the bloody pipe. Provided my intelligence would keep it all under control.

I;m not familiar enough with internal German issues to judge. Maybe Putin has an upper hand after all...
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
29 Sep 2018  #173
Och...Schröder...not that one...he is indefensible. *palm face*

Maybe Putin has an upper hand after all...

Maybe he has...After all he has his sausage fingers in all of Europe...paying and supporting the nationalists and anti-EU guys...
Ironside 47 | 9,503    
29 Sep 2018  #174
Schröder...not that one..

well.. commies

paying and supporting the nationalists and anti-EU guys...

greens ...
OP johnny reb 16 | 3,136    
29 Sep 2018  #175
Also, American gas is more expensive than Russian gas.

Take your Kremlin propaganda and shove it up our dirty ass.

You are the fifth person that told him that yesterday and some even got a warning for it.
He is just trolling and not smart enough to know that American gas is of much higher quality then Russian gas.
Its like comparing Poland's cheap brown soft coal with the hard black coal.
G (undercover)    
29 Sep 2018  #176
You are that guy right now. The only thibg that remains open is how many embarassing posts you'll want to delete tomorrow.

LOL ! I wasn't drunk and won't delete a single letter.
OP johnny reb 16 | 3,136    
29 Sep 2018  #177
Germany and Russia are pushing ahead with the Nord Steam 2 despite objections from other European Countries and the United States.
This is even more of a reason to believe these two countries may have already struck a modern day Molotov - Ribbentrop deal.
Germany and Russia throughout history have not been actually partners in any sense.
When they have entered into economic and peace deal partnerships (Nord Stream 2) its a clear signal that one or the other or both are preparing for some kind of a Imperialistic Exploit which is extremely concerning.

Poland is very aware of this and could be one more reason Poland has invited the construction of 'Camp Trump'.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
29 Sep 2018  #178
"Fort Trump"...not camp! :)

I wonder what will happen once Trump leaves office and a new democrat president throws these ideas into the bin again?

Is it generally smart to cling to a man whose time in the White House is already counted and who is heavily disputed and can't depend on a broad consensus in the society?

Where will that leave Poland in the "after-Trump" era again? Alone again with disgruntled, suspicious neighbours who don't forget their behaviour so quickly?
Ironside 47 | 9,503    
29 Sep 2018  #179
Poland is very aware of this and could be one more reason Poland has invited the construction of 'Camp Trump'.

The way I see it roughly . Tell me if that makes any sense as I'm writing it having slept for like 4 hours and maybe 28 hours this week

See, the situation in the region has been unstable without a strong central European stabilizing power, it has happened after in 18th Poland stopped to be such a stabilizing power.

What we witnessed for the last 200 - 300 years is a rapid grow of Imperial Germany as a local power. It however proved to be very bad at stabilizing the region. Their success was mostly due to a close pollical and economical cooperation with Russia. Thing is once Germany got powerful enough they and Russia started competing against each other.

German and Russian cooperation is logical and sensible while there is a country or countries between Russia and Germany. If they cooperation would lead as it inadvertently or advertently would, towards weakening them, Russia's instinct is to conquer them. I such a case Germany has no choice but have to fallow they lead and take some land too. After that we are back to a square one. Russia faced with powerful Germany looking for alliance and the west looking for an ally to check German power.

All very messy, very unstable and not good for the USA.

Solution is simple build a political and economical entity in the three sea area backed by the USA and with key country Poland to stabilize that region. It would;

1. Keep Germany in check until they adjust to the new reality and find a very nice niche as a economical and political partner of the three seas area.

2. Keep Russia in check and attract post-soviet countries into its fold.

3. Keep Europe stabilized which is good for the USA (as they cannot remain world power for long without a secure foothold in this part of Europe) and project power in the this region, keeping in check a shirking but nuclear Russian and growing China.

Plus USA can sell their surplus gas they had no use for to the region,...

I think if that initiative and US involvement will be stable and growing. Germany will came around.

What is annoying is that EU thingy. Germany are claiming they are all for the EU. While they are all for it as long as it is a vessel to carry their European domination and as long as they are not constrained by its demands. Which renders all that EU idea useless. IF Germany is (so to speak) above EU law or policies and others countries aren't that construction won't last.

Not to mention that Germany has this instinct to pull against USA.

quote=G (undercover)] I wasn't drunk and won't delete a single letter.[/quote]
You need to control your emotion better then.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,963    
29 Sep 2018  #180
What is this "three seas area"?

Tell me more...


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