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'Fort Trump' Military Base in Poland


Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
  25 Sep 2018  #91
Guess well find out in 2020. Till then, the economy will continue to do better than ever, more illegals will be deported, less illegals are taking welfare and now forced to work instead of leeching, unemployment will be at record lows, tax cuts will remain.... even the leftists snd democrats agree the economy is doing very well - far better than it was during the obama years. A person can literally pick a blue chip stock at random and they'll make money - that's how good the market is right now.
Miloslaw 6 | 633    
25 Sep 2018  #92
Maybe jon357,but I still like the fact that he's stirring it up,even though I may not approve of his methods....Western politicians have all needed a massive kick up the arse for many years now.
OP johnny reb 16 | 3,109    
  25 Sep 2018  #93
Britain eventually fell too so I guess it is our turn.
Maybe that is why you Brits are seething to see the country that saved your dying asses TWICE fail.
Until it does though, we are still the most powerful country on this earth so grin and bear.
Sure jon is provoking tonight, when he isn't you know who is.
jon357 65 | 13,631    
  25 Sep 2018  #94
I see what you're saying Miloslaw. I do suspect that he's queered the pitch a lot, and that the result of his stirring won't be more Trudeau, Gandhi, Mandela, but more a retreat to safe conservatives, a Macron, a Merkel, a Major.

Duda's Fort Trump was playing to his relatively unsophisticated core support; those who dislike him in PL would laugh or cry anyway, and his offer didn't get many column inches abroad.
delphiandomine 85 | 16,868    
25 Sep 2018  #95
the economy is doing very well - far better than it was during the obama years.

Fuelled by tech companies. It's a bubble waiting to burst - there's a very good chart here about it: macrobusiness.com.au/2018/09/australias-preposterous-tech-bubble - the valuation of these companies are just way out of sync with reality. They're being hit with more and more regulation (Uber, Airbnb), and the trade war with China will mean increasing difficulty in getting products to consumers at an acceptable price.

Now is definitely the time to hoard cash while waiting for the tech bubble to pop, because there will be a hell of a lot of properties lost by tech workers that bought way beyond their means.
Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
25 Sep 2018  #96
@johnny reb

The only thing that could really end the us supremacy is if basically all other countries stopped using the dollar and if oil wasnt bought and sold in dollars. China russia libya under gaddafi etc all have been talking about creating a.new currency based on a basket of participating countries currencies for years with little to no progress. Gaddafi wanted to launch the dinar which middle east and african countries esp oil producers would buy and sell oil in. That was a great idea but it wouldve been nearly impossible to get a bunch of the opec producers to agree, especially as the us would likely sanction them for doing so or launch some civil war or uprising or help stage a coup or assassination. America isnt going to give up the number 1 spot without a fight thats for sure.

@delphiandomine

Yes tech companies are overvalued, especially tesla and facebook. Its mind boggling how a stock can be worth 290 300 when the company is always operating at a loss. But its not only tech thats doing well - yes the tech companies skew the dow because of their huge market caps and the large amount of them. But its not just tech thats booming its also retail, real estate, banking, energy, construction, commodities, basically all sectors are booming. And this all affects the little guy small business owners. Right now we have more jobs than we can even take on. People have way more disposable income thanks to the tax cuts and are spending it on their homes, buying cars, putting it in their businesses or saving/investing it. It really makes a big difference esp for people at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. You ask a guy making 15k 20k a year if 50 more a week, 2k a year makes a difference and theyll tell you it makes a huge difference.

If there is a bubble i think it's more to do with banking because of all the cheap credit out that was given years ago. Thsts why poland is in such good shape because they only have something like 50% debt to gdp. Funny how the eu puts a country in thr dog house for disobeying one eu guideline but not another one like maintaining a certain debt to gdp, but thsts another story...

Im listening to trumps speech now. He mentioned poland twice so far (bout 10 mins left in it) - cant think of any president thats done that.
jon357 65 | 13,631    
  25 Sep 2018  #97
Fuelled by tech companies. It's a bubble waiting to burst

There's nothing they can do that China and a dozen other countries can't do better and cheaper. Even their military escapades are fuelled by a need to sell materiel and have (in the Pentagon's own very telling words "access in a post-hegemony world". Poland is not their priority in this, though fewer and fewer countries are willing/able to spend money on kit from them rather than (directly or indirectly) from China, hence Duda's grandstanding about 'Fort trump'. Even Serbia has just accepted massive loans from Beijing.

@delphiandomine, Did you hear the UN laughing at him?
Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
  25 Sep 2018  #98
And applauding him...

Besides it doesnt matter. Trump isnt responsible for the UN and doesnt need to answer to the leaders of other nations. The people laughing were likely those from the sh1tholes he called out earlier or butthurt nations like canada that have tariffs against them now.
jon357 65 | 13,631    
  25 Sep 2018  #99
They're diplomats, and polite. The mocking and humiliating laughter however was wonderfully spontaneous! A first!

Rather like some of the satire about Duda, when he proposed calling a base 'Fort trump' :-D
Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
  25 Sep 2018  #100
The mocking and humiliating laughter however was wonderfully spontaneous! A first!

Actually numerous leaders have been laughed at, both in a good way and bad booed, etc.

One of my favorites was i believe chavez when he said the devil was right here, i can still smell the sulfur and made thr sign of the cross... referring to bush

Khrushchev pounding his fists was quite memorable too.
Joker 1 | 764    
  25 Sep 2018  #101
Rather like some of the satire about Duda, when he proposed calling a base 'Fort trump' :-D

And when it becomes a reality, you and your snowflake friends can cry and cry some more :-D

But, you can always move back home to England.
jon357 65 | 13,631    
25 Sep 2018  #102
Chavez ...Khrushchev

He's certainly in distinguished company...

it becomes a reality,

Almost as funny as trump's speech.
Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
  25 Sep 2018  #103
@Joker

I love how trump is supportive of polands fight for independence and sovereignty. I bet the eurocrats arent happy lol especially since their article 7 is doomed and poland will keep doing what they want, not what unelected eu bureaucrats tell them. I remember his speech in warsaw how he praised poles for their culture, bravery, etc and asked whether the west had the will tp survive, fight against destruction of their culture, protect their borders... basically saying western Europe should be more like poland who isnt scared to fight for preserving their culture and identity.

This speech was great though. He has a good writer. The message is clear - MAGA and America first. Other presidents esp bush and obama were way too scared to call out countries screwing the us over let alone do something about it.
Ironside 47 | 9,123    
26 Sep 2018  #104
He has already given Poland high praise.

Israel and Saudi Arabia received high praise as well.

He's an international joke, isn't he.

No, he is not. Only neo-Marxists morons are mad, ah and useful idiots.
OP johnny reb 16 | 3,109    
26 Sep 2018  #105
And just before the U.N. General Assembly the US and China trading threats the US's decision to sanction a branch of the Chinese military for buying arms from Russia (as China threatened the US with unspecified "consequences" if it didn't undo its "mistake"), the US has thrown gasoline on the fire by moving ahead with a planned sale of F-16 fighter jets and other weaponry to Taiwan in defiance of China's warnings.

Do you think community organizer obama would have had the balls to do that ? (No is the correct answer)
In response China rejected a request by an American warship to make a port visit to Hong Kong next month.
I can't wait to see how Teflon Trump re acts to that as if you were ever in the Navy you would know that is a big slap to the face.
Joker 1 | 764    
  26 Sep 2018  #106
I love how trump is supportive of polands fight for independence and sovereignty

Poland has become my favorite county in Europe, they know the EU is a sham thats falling apart at the seams.

Im ready for the visa waiver program to be ended as well:)

Other presidents esp bush and obama were way too scared to call out countries screwing the us over let alone do something about it.

Just wait until they give him the Nobel Prize for NK and the eradication of ISIS. At least Trump will have earn it, unlike Obozo. He only received it for being black! I dare anymore to prove me wrong, what did he do to deserve it??

China will be back at the negotiating table very soon and the Dems will have to eat crow again! lol

Hillary Clinton or any other Dems in a hundred years couldn't accomplish what Trump has done in under 2!
TheOther 5 | 3,520    
  26 Sep 2018  #107
they know the EU is a sham thats falling apart at the seams.

As the General Assembly said: "Ha ha ha!"

Have you ever been to mainland Europe, Joker, and spent a few months over there? The only ones who are rabidly anti-EU are the ultra right-wingers who dream of the second coming of Adolf.
TheWizard - | 253    
26 Sep 2018  #108
Ofcourse it isn't because i am the only one, no one else is dumping the stinky uk at all. Lol.
TheWizard - | 253    
  26 Sep 2018  #109
I am 11.
Your entire paragraph is not English at all, a 6 year old can do better *** boy.
TheWizard - | 253    
26 Sep 2018  #110
It will affect us, we are gunning for the business which will exit the uk for ourselves, such as the deposing of the dumb welsh lamb farmers so we can supply our lamb instead and more just like that. Exciting times these are my stinky fume riddled london lung cancer friend.
Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
26 Sep 2018  #111
Indeed... i think the fort trump will become a reality. Donald trump loves poland and the polish leadership. Hes praised poles many times and if hes going to open a new base and send us troops it's gonna be to a country paying their fair share.
OP johnny reb 16 | 3,109    
26 Sep 2018  #112
Trump loves Poland for that and in return Poland will be rewarded for honoring their word as well as holding up their end.
Germany who has not kept their commitment is going to suffer in the long run.
Hitler was the sixth of seven and the seventh is not far off.
TheOther 5 | 3,520    
26 Sep 2018  #113
Trump loves Poland for that and in return Poland will be rewarded

Like a poodle. Woof.
Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
  26 Sep 2018  #114
Germany who has not kept their commitment is going to suffer in the long run.

Theyre already suffering - sluggish gdp growth, tons of political disunity, significant increase in violent crimes esp rapes, stabbings, etc., tens of billions going to non citizens - more than the education budget and their military is crumbling. They have a liberal feminist defense minister so its not that surprising

Poland on the other hand just joined the developed market club, has among the highest growth rates - far higher than germany, the economy is booming and fdi is flooding in, theres no problems with terrorism, mass rapes, violent crimes comparable to the west. Poland has a bright future
cms neuf - | 533    
26 Sep 2018  #115
It is more than the federal education budget. However it is many times less than the total spend on education in Germany - that is because education costs are the responsibility of the Lander and not the federal government.
Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
26 Sep 2018  #116
The Pentagon is in the early stages of examining land in Poland for a potential permanent US military base, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said on Monday.

amp.businessinsider.com/pentagon-examining-land-in-poland-after-offer-to-pay-for-fort-trump-2018-9

Looks like its starting afterall. Trumps got skyscrapers, condos, hotels, golf courses, casinos and now hell have a military base with his name too.
OP johnny reb 16 | 3,109    
26 Sep 2018  #117
Poland has a bright future

Very bright future and Fort Trump would grease the wheels for Poland's future.

Theyre already suffering - sluggish gdp growth, tons of political disunity, significant increase in violent crimes esp rapes, stabbings, etc.

I will be starting a thread about that here soon.
I just need more information to tie Poland to Germany's demise.
cms neuf - | 533    
26 Sep 2018  #118
Cant wait. I would be extremely surprised if Germany has a higher rate of violent crimes or rapes than Poland but you can do your own research and prove your point if you want.

What is indisputable is that Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands et cetera all have higher life expectancy, better rates of health, more equal societies, better education not only than Poland but also rhan the US.
Dirk diggler 8 | 3,618    :-(
  26 Sep 2018  #119
I would be extremely surprised if Germany has a higher rate of violent crimes or rapes than Poland

It does....

nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/Poland/Crime/Violent-crime

Murder - 58% more murders than poland, murder rate - germany ranked 29 vs poland 38th ammd 58% higher murder rate, and rapes - 5x more rapes than poland rapes per million people - 2x higher than poland. Poland is only slightly higher when going by murders/murder rate per million due to its lower population. But the overall murders, murder rate, rape and rapes per million are higher in germany than poland

all have higher life expectancy, better rates of health, more equal societies, better education not only than Poland but also rhan the US

Thanks to the natives who established such a society. And actually college education is far better in the us. Theres more top university in us than germany netherland sweden combined. Just the ivies alone account for more top schools than those 3 countries.
cms neuf - | 533    
26 Sep 2018  #120
I know you went to an elite university but I cannot understand your statistics at all - when I use this site it is full of old data sometimes 10 years old, incomparable definitions, and in an any case most often shows Germany as being safer. Add to that the fact that in Poland most people know it s a waste of time involving the demotivated police. So find some reliable and up to date statistics.

Your point about education is ridiculous - you now seem obsessed by these spurious rankings of universities but start its more basic measures like who can read and write and do basic math. Of course US universities will be better - it's due to language and the fact that the best professors and students from all over the world generally speak English and want to work in English, when I was at US university I had teachers from Spain, Turkey, India, U.K., Italy etc etc.



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