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US military hardware coming to Poland


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
15 Jun 2015 #1
Rzepa reporting heavy American military hardware -- tanks, APCs and other combat vehicles and assorted gear -- are to be transferred to Poland for permanent readiness at the initiative of the White House and calls this a breakthrough. Such combat equipment will also be permanently at the ready in the Baltic States, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly Hungary, That'll give the bloody Rooskies a run for their money.
Nathans
15 Jun 2015 #2
Poland to become a polygon again; why don't they keep this military equipment in Germany or Sweden, for example? It's obvious the enemy will attack military facilities first.
smurf 39 | 1,981
15 Jun 2015 #3
Great news!

Who needs new hospitals when we can pretend that we have a chance against Russia.

F"ckin retards running this country.
Gosc123456
15 Jun 2015 #4
plain stupidity! and what about if Putin wants to arm ... Mexico????
weeg
15 Jun 2015 #5
Russia could barely defeat Georgia and ran itself into the ground against Ukraine.

Russians military is in a terrible state and their doctrine and equipment decades behind NATO. They are desperate for manpower.

The Russians have no chance of defeating Poland with the upgrades coming by 2020.
jon357 63 | 14,185
16 Jun 2015 #6
Merged: US to store heavy weapons in Poland

It just seems like we're sliding right back into the Cold War. Going backwards not forwards. They have to plan for a post-Putin Russia. He'll eventually either retire to be replaced with someone potentially worse or carry on to the bitter end like Stalin, Brezhnev and Chernenko only to leave chaos and a power vacuum.

The worst thing right now is the 'diplomatic' language they're using. Very, very serious.

The US will take a decision soon to store heavy weapons including tanks and infantry fighting vehicles in Poland, the Polish defence minister says. Tomasz Siemoniak said he had discussed such US military deployments last month with US Defence Secretary Ash Carter.
The US military has been conducting massive drills with Nato allies in Eastern Europe amid regional alarm over Russia's role in the Ukraine conflict.
Russian officials said the plan could have "dangerous consequences". The three Baltic states also plan to store US heavy weapons, officials say.

Rest of story here: m.bbc.
johnny reb 18 | 3,683
16 Jun 2015 #7
Russians military is in a terrible state and their doctrine and equipment decades behind NATO.

Really, Russia's new fighter jets that will be in service in the next decade surpass anything NATO has.

are to be transferred to Poland for permanent readiness

The United States/NATO is nicely but firmly telling Putin that he will never do again what he did in Ukraine.
weeg2
16 Jun 2015 #8
Really, Russia's new fighter jets that will be in service in the next decade surpass anything NATO has.

No it wont, they have cancelled all but 16 of the T50 orders and India looks like they will back out too. No confidence in the design.

The allies are buying 2400 F35's. The aircraft design centers have 10% of the designers they had during Soviet times as most of them have died since any new aircraft have been developed.

dangerous consequences

For Russia, maybe. unless that pathetic mess of a country uses nukes its no threat to the west
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
16 Jun 2015 #9
Putin that he will never do again what he did in Ukraine.

Putin has delcared that Russia would never attack NATO, and for once it sounds halfway believable. Russia by comparison is so underarmed and underequipped that such an attack would be suicidal. One well-targeted missile would reduce the Kremlin to rubble and ash. If Ukraine and Georgia had been in NATO or at least in some NATO-partnership programme, he wouldn't have dared do what he did.
jon357 63 | 14,185
16 Jun 2015 #10
Russia by comparison is so underarmed and underequipped that such an attack would be suicidal.

I agree with you on that one, however edging ever closer to mutually assured destruction is never a good idea, nor is Russia in any sense stable.

If Ukraine and Georgia had been in NATO or at least in some NATO-partnership programme, he wouldn't have dared do what he did.

NATO chickened out of that one due to Russian sabre-rattling.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
16 Jun 2015 #11
NATO chickened out

Maybe now they are finally having some teeth put back in. The US hardware initiative came as quite a surprise. However, most likely there was plenty of unreported lobbying in the background. Politicians rarely do anything out of the goodness of theri hearts, Elections are approaching and there are millions of pontential voters amongst the some 30 million Americans of East European ancestry.
50%polish
17 Jun 2015 #12
What many are saying is exactly right. Let's fight a war with someone else's people and let them die for someone else's cause on their own land.

Anyone read history?

Catholic will kill more Catholics in the name of globalization, what a joke.
weeg2
17 Jun 2015 #13
Polands history is quite clear that its and its people have to be ready and able to defend itself
johnny reb 18 | 3,683
17 Jun 2015 #14
Give the Polish people the right to bear arms to defend themselves.
Yes, every citizen owning a gun without having to have a permit for it.
Free gun training by the government.
Make it mandatory just like the Swiss have.
Great idea.
jon357 63 | 14,185
17 Jun 2015 #15
Give the Polish people the right to bear arms to defend themselves.

Very useful when Putin is increasing his armoury of nuclear weapons. Not.
johnny reb 18 | 3,683
17 Jun 2015 #16
Oh, o.k. jon, arm all the Polish citizens with nuclear weapons then. Not
Putin will never nuke Poland as the prevailing winds blow towards Russia.
Arming the Polish citizens with assault rifles would be a very good first line of defense.
I bet Ukraine citizens would have liked to have them.
At least have a fighting chance when your family and neighbors are being raped and murdered.
Harry
17 Jun 2015 #17
Very useful when Putin is increasing his armoury of nuclear weapons. Not.

Pretty much every household in Iraq had an assault rifle (at least one) before the American invasion; I can't remember how long they managed to hold off the invasion force for.
jon357 63 | 14,185
17 Jun 2015 #18
Arming the Polish citizens with assault rifles would be a very good first line of defense.

All of them? Including the violent ones? Including criminals?

At least have a fighting chance when your family and neighbors are being raped and murdered.

That's why we have an army.
johnny reb 18 | 3,683
17 Jun 2015 #19
All of them? Including the violent ones? Including criminals?

Those people ALREADY have them jon.

That's why we have an army.

WE ? When did you get your Polish citizenship ?
jon, did you know that the Polish Army allows gays to serve ?
This may be a chance for you to give back to Poland but I think you do have to be a citizen to join.
jon357 63 | 14,185
17 Jun 2015 #20
Those people ALREADY have them jon.

How do you know? Fortunately guns are hard to get in Poland.

That's off topic, anyway - there are other threads where you can rant about gun control.

WE ? When did you get your Polish citizenship ?

You'll never know.
johnny reb 18 | 3,683
17 Jun 2015 #21
That's off topic, anyway - there are other threads where you can rant about gun control.

You are the one that went off on the rant jon as you do with replying to almost every single post made here.
It's almost like you own this form, or do you ?

Fortunately guns are hard to get in Poland.

All you have to do is register them.

How do you know?

Because when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

You'll never know.

I already know jon, You Are Not a Polish citizen so you shouldn't be saying "WE".
Only your boyfriend is.

This thread is not about gun control
jon357 63 | 14,185
17 Jun 2015 #22
Getting back to the topic and away from the usual nonsense about American-style firearms policies, it looks like Putin is upping the ante:

Vladimir Putin has pledged to add more than 40 new intercontinental ballistic missiles to Russia's nuclear arsenal in 2015, sending a clear warning message to Nato amid escalating tensions.
The Russian president made the announcement during his opening address at the Army-2015 Expo, an international military forum near Moscow.
Mr Putin said that "more than 40 new intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) able to overcome even the most technically advanced anti-missile defence systems" would be added to Russia's nuclear arsenal this year.

independent/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-announces-russia-will-add-40-new-ballistic-missiles-to-nuclear-arsenal-in-2015-10323304.html

Although good fences make good neighbours, Russia will never be a good neighbour. And with the louse Snowden revealing data about British and American agents there, the free world is in a much harder position to ensure Europe's safety.
Lolek222 - | 80
17 Jun 2015 #23
Who is going to pay for it?
jon357 63 | 14,185
17 Jun 2015 #24
Who is going to pay for what?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
17 Jun 2015 #25
o overcome even the most technically advanced anti-missile defence systems

He is clearly threatening Russian aggression. Anti-missile systems simply deflect and destroy incoming missiles and are not offensive but defensive.
50%polish
18 Jun 2015 #26
Poland needs a nuclear program (weapons) and energy weapons, plain and simple cut and dry. They need to build them not buy them. Until that time, be careful in who you trust and who's backing you.

Britain, France and Russian screwed Poland in WW2 and the investment to germany came from where? Go look it up. Who funded the germans and who's money built that regime?
johnny reb 18 | 3,683
18 Jun 2015 #27
Who is going to pay for it?

The United States of America tax payers like always.
NATO is the United States.
weeg2
18 Jun 2015 #28
Meanwhile Russia is retiring 60 I C B Ms this year. Its not specified what these new missiles will be, as the S S 20 is made in Ukraine. and Russia no longer has the skilled personel it had during the S oviet E mpire days.

note to mods, why is this message blocked due to special characters.?
smurf 39 | 1,981
18 Jun 2015 #29
Lol

Polish transporter sinks during NATO exercises

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/210652,Polish-transporter-sinks-during-NATO-exercises
peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
18 Jun 2015 #30
A Polish amphibious transporter sank on Wednesday during NATO exercises

Polish but designed in CCCP ;)

Introduced in 1965. Ideal for rescue actions in case of flood disaster on a smooth water. Unfortunately used in open, disturbed sea. Not entirely thought through decision.


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