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Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland


Rich Mazur 5 | 3,144
17 Apr 2019  #211
Having a cat would certainly relieve you of your multiple stresses

That is so true. Unfortunately, my cat saw AOC, that ugly pos from Somalia, and the Democrap candidates on TV, hissed and took the first flight out to Moscow, never to be back. I am going to miss him.
jon357 63 | 14,341
17 Apr 2019  #212
Wrong. Europarliament elections are attended primarily by educated voters,

PiS fear the educated turning out to vote.

With enraged teachers at the ballot - definitely! :)

And nurses/doctors and a few other groups.
delphiandomine 84 | 17,703
17 Apr 2019  #213
I've read an analysis a couple of weeks ago, and united opposition candidates for the Senate win around 80 seats out of 100. PiS are panicking, and stealing pension funds from Poles is an incredibly risky move. It also seems that the huge giveaway of (our) cash isn't working.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,267
17 Apr 2019  #214
Since commie times grade school and high school teachers got little to no respect. Not much has changed. With foreign English teachers it's even less since poles realize only a person who failed back home would undertake such a profession. On average even coal miners get more respect
jon357 63 | 14,341
17 Apr 2019  #215
united opposition candidates for the Senate win around 80 seats out of 100. PiS are panicking

This is excellent news. The end of the beginning was some time ago. Now, for right wing political parties in PL, we've passed the beginning of the end.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,267
17 Apr 2019  #216
Here's a novel idea - get a better paying job and stop complaining
jon357 63 | 14,341
17 Apr 2019  #217
Watching the fall of PiS is entertaining. It will be interesting to see what happens to the creep Kukiz and his anti-vaxxers...

Here's a novel idea - get a better paying job and stop complaining

Who's complaining? They aren't complaining, they're striking.

In any case, it's advice you might follow yourself. Teaching in state schools however is not however some casual job like telesales, rather it is a profession and a career.

And why shouldn't they 'complain'? Have they taken a vow of silence?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,267
17 Apr 2019  #218
Who's complaining? They aren't complaining, they're striking.

Same thing. Lots of complaining

Teaching in state schools however is not however some casual job like telesales, rather it is a profession and a career.

And yet despite being a 'profession' it pays far less than 'casual jobs' like even sales, which FYI I don't work in, I run a small business. If the teachers want to make more money they shouldn't chose such a low paying job, profession or whatever you want to call it.

Watching the fall of PiS is entertaining

Still #1 and still far ahead of PO
jon357 63 | 14,341
17 Apr 2019  #219
Same thing

Far from it. Striking gets results. In this case, it looks like it's working nicely, as it has in the past...

With professions like teaching, those who do it actually need specific qualifications and certification. One reason they are in such a strong position when they strike.

And this election is liely to go badly for PiS.

which FYI I don't work in, I run a small business.

'Freelance' again.....
OP pawian 157 | 8,627
17 Apr 2019  #220
A few hundred k teachers is a drop in the bucket of all the voters.

One more lesson on the Polish ways. Nearly 30 million Poles are eligible for voting but usually only about 50% take part. A few hundred thousand disciplined and enraged voters can easily break the camel`s back.

Since commie times grade school and high school teachers got little to no respect.

Why are you repeating the same lie over and over again if I already said that 74% on a respect scale for teachers is not so little? Actually, it is more than doctors` 71%.

2013 survey
cbos.pl/SPISKOM.POL/2013/K_164_13.PDF

Here's a novel idea - get a better paying job and stop complaining

I hope you know what you wish for. Or not? :)
Old teachers won`t quit. But there are no trainee teachers because postgraduates prefer to look for jobs elsewhere. So, the only solution will be to employ immigrant teachers in the future. Indians, Africans, Ukrainians, Russians etc. I don`t mind because at last my dream of a bigger diversity in Poland will be fulfilled! Ha! :)
Spike31 2 | 877
17 Apr 2019  #221
One more lesson on the Polish ways. Nearly 30 million Poles are eligible for voting but usually only about 50% take part

That's good. That way only those who are interested in politics are taking part in voting.

Obviously, there's some room for improvement - traditional Athenian (Greek) democracy worked because only 10% of Greeks (elites) were taking part in elections. What we've got now i Europe is Ochlocracy, a ruling of half-wits stupified by the system of mandatory "education", mass media and entertainment industry. This system works in producing idiots in large numbers, an ideal left voters.

Fortuantely, those who support Konfederacja Korwin-Braun-Narodowcy are very disciplined voters and will be present in voting polls.

74% on a respect scale for teachers is not so little?

Have you read a recent NIK report that over 10% of future teachers had problems with passing Matura? Basially a teaching career is chosen by those who are unable to learn more desired (and much better paid) skills and paths of career such as medicine, architecture, programming, engeenering
jon357 63 | 14,341
17 Apr 2019  #222
I already said that 74% on a respect scale for teachers is not so little? Actually, it is more than doctors` 71%.

Of course there are those who go into teaching later in life.

But there are no trainee teachers because postgraduates prefer to look for jobs elsewhere.

Where salaries are low and conditions sub-optimal, this is the inevitable result. Those of us who can, work in Universities instead.
OP pawian 157 | 8,627
27 Apr 2019  #223
A few hundred k teachers is a drop in the bucket of all the voters.

After we had discussed this issue 10 days ago, a few articles corroborating my point of view appeared. One of them suggests that the total number of 700.000 teachers of all levels with their familes make about 7-10% votes, depending on the turnout. This is the straw that might break the camel`s back.

Have you read a recent NIK report that over 10% of future teachers had problems with passing Matura?

I haven`t, but I believe you. We`d better discuss it in other threads about education, here it will be off topic.

And this election is liely to go badly for PiS.

Only one month is left. :):)
Ironside 47 | 9,587
27 Apr 2019  #224
This is the straw that might break the camel`s back.

You grasping at. Taking all in rationally there is no reason for PiS to loose an upcoming election.

You PO dogs are just so much so like gamblers, 'tis time we win will big' patting themselves on the back around the clock.

PO has nothing to offer, they are more of a garbage than PiS. Why would people vote on them? For all those crooked smiles, and lies?

So far majority of voters are OK with PiS. If that changes ( as it should) why would anyone than few losers vote PO? That delusional.

The EU parliament is a pure show with no powers. Few MP from here or there makes not difference for the whole picture.
OP pawian 157 | 8,627
27 Apr 2019  #225
Let me remind you about a few things because you seem to live in some ancient reality. . Have you been cut off the Net recently? :)

1. It is not longer PO, but European Coalition.

2. Majority is just a little over 50%. Your words that PiS attracts as many voters are a lie, of course.

3. You perfectly realise that your favourite nationalists and maniacal rightists under Korwin etc are going to play useful idiots for the opposition, as they will score about 4%, too few to cross the election threshold but enough to deprive PiS of valuable votes. :):)

The EU parliament is a pure show with no powers. Few MP from here or there makes not difference for the whole picture.

Funny. You are already taking a defensive position.
Another reminder - remember that European elections results will be played by winners against losers till autumn national elections.
Ironside 47 | 9,587
27 Apr 2019  #226
Funny. You are already taking a defensive position.

Funny. You are calling it ...'a defensive position'. I'm stating an obvious fact objectively. Nothing defensive about it .I have been talking mainly about a general election in Poland.

I wasn't focusing on theEU election which are mainly not very popular in Poland, few voters take part in those hence they are more unpredictable and varied. Doesn't necessary means that PO will win them. I hazard a guess here and say that PIS and PO will come head to head with few percent in favor of PiS but other parties will gain a lot.

In short no matter what PO will not win.
OP pawian 157 | 8,627
27 Apr 2019  #227
.I have been talking mainly about a general election in Poland.

So you need to be more specific next time. You said: upcoming election, which means the one in May.

theEU election not very popular in Poland, few voters take part .

That is why the Coalition has a chance to teach PiS a little lesson.

I hazard a guess here and say that PIS and PO will come head to head

Even such a result will be a success. It is PiS which has been giving away benefits like crazy. What for - only to draw with the opposition? Pathetic.
bolek_tusk 3 | 265
28 Apr 2019  #228
It is not longer PO, but European Coalition.

It's a BOLSHEVIK Coalition of six parties put together by Schetyna who wants to avoid being wiped off the political map of Poland.

Surely Poles are not going to risk putting the country's future prospects in the hands of people who want to revert to the old PRL.

Isn't Schetyna regarded as the least trusted politician in Poland?
bolek_tusk 3 | 265
28 Apr 2019  #229
In short no matter what PO will not win.

PO dare not stand in their own rite. They needed to come up with their Bolshevik Coalition of six parties and include former stars of the old Communist era.
OP pawian 157 | 8,627
28 Apr 2019  #230
Yes, it is sad that ex- communist apparatschiks were called to give a hand against PiS but it is only PiS` own fault that such a situation is happening. The reason is simple - PiS have nothing against Poland leaving the EU while ex-communists once worked hard so that Poland could join the EU.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,450
28 Apr 2019  #231
ex-communists

No such thing they should all be dragged out of bed in the middle of the night and sent to a Siberian labour camp for four years, would be nice to see them get a taste of their own medicine.
OP pawian 157 | 8,627
28 Apr 2019  #232
Without court trial, conviction and sentence? :):) In this way, you become like them, I hope you realise it.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,450
28 Apr 2019  #233
I do, proof of membership is enough, after all being Polish in Kresy was enough to be deported to Siberia by communists.
bolek_tusk 3 | 265
28 Apr 2019  #234
Without court trial, conviction and sentence? :):)

A trial with under a former PRL judge? Yeah.. that will see justice! The judiciary is still under the control of the old guard.
mafketis 19 | 6,905
28 Apr 2019  #235
A trial with under a former PRL judge?

Is it worse than Piotrowicz (PRL prosecutor whose stories about helping dissidents have been rejected)?
OP pawian 157 | 8,627
28 Apr 2019  #236
Yes, maf, it is so funny today those PiS oriented guys accuse others of communist connections while themselves they were collaborators and traitors in the past.

The judiciary is still under the control of the old guard.

PiS is more under the control of the old guard than the judiciary. We already talked about it here, your nationalist mate Ironside even vehemently defended Piotrowicz and when enquired a few times to explain, always kept silent about it.

Two posts are enough:

polishforums.com/news/poland-election-marathon-84446/3/#msg1676211
polishforums.com/news/poland-election-marathon-84446/4/#msg1676304

Additionally, PiS guys are regularly revealed as communist collaborators.
bolek_tusk 3 | 265
28 Apr 2019  #237
Grupa rekonstrukcyjna "PZPR 1989" teraz nazywa się Koalicją Europejską

rp.pl/Wybory-do-PE/190329673-Horala-Grupa-rekonstrukcyjna-PZPR-1989-teraz-nazywa-sie-Koalicja-Europejska.html

Doesn't Communist collaborator Bolek look forward to a return to Russian rule, if/when PO get back into power?

The idea that PiS is pro-Communist is absurd and only spouted by mindless lefties who get their talking points from the Soros financed German backed mainstream press in Poland.
mafketis 19 | 6,905
28 Apr 2019  #238
The idea that PiS is pro-Communist is absurd

to their gullible followers and very credible to those with critical facilities....

et their talking points from the Soros financed

you won't find many people who dislike Soros more than me, but he has nothing to do with the commie collaborating past of many members of PiS...
bolek_tusk 3 | 265
28 Apr 2019  #239
to their gullible followers and very credible to those with critical facilities....

Just how many PiS followers propose closer ties to Moscow and advocate a return to Russian rule? Good old Communist collaborator Bolek is all for it.

Remember when Tusk went to Moscow in May 2010, a month after President Kaczynski was assassinated, to celebrate the end of WWII in Europe and the Russian annexation of Poland? I can't imagine any PiS leader doing that, but I'm sure most of the Bolshevik Coalition would be happy to do so.
mafketis 19 | 6,905
28 Apr 2019  #240
closer ties to Moscow and advocate a return to Russian rule? Good old Communist collaborator Bolek is all for it.

citation...

PO is all about the EU (intensely hated by Putin)... you make no logical points....

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