Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland

Of course they would have done it if they had had a chance, they would even demand a seat in the first row. Later they would sell it to their simpleton supporters as a great success. :)

Never mind. Let`s wait one month and see what happens during elections.

I was specific as much as you. If you were a normal voter not some jaded PO fanatic you wouldn't be so touchy.


What lesson? lol! You're a little cheerleader. Talking to you about politicks is kinda pointless.


You mean loosing to PiS would be a success to PO? Now you are talking. I can see it now we are in agreement.

PO has no chance of victory in the upcoming election. For you and other cheerleaders anything other that a total annihilation in the election will be a success even a great success for PO.

Yes, you're right. I agree.

Yeah...? That doesn't mean that the Polish electorate aren't barking mad though and that simple economics will dictate that a business friendly party will be reselected sooner rather than later, as the country will pretty soon be on its' knees under this socialist government.

Again.

I said: let`s wait who annihilates whom.


You were touchy about ex communists in PiS ranks, not me. :) We are still waiting for the explanation, comrade nationalist! :)

You're delusional. In that way myths are created by silly people like you.


diagnose confirmed - a case of delusion.

Bolek the clown believes Russian President Vladimir Putin was a wise man, and that it was possible to establish good relations between Moscow and Warsaw.

sputniknews.com/europe/201812261071009387-poland-president-putin-wise/

Angela Merkel and the rest of the Marxists running the EU want closer ties with Russia.


Yes, I'm sure Jaroslaw Kaczynski was bitterly disappointed not to have been invited to the Russian commemorations marking the end of WW2 and the 50 year occupation of Poland just a few weeks after the assassination of his brother.

Kaczynski is a Polish patriot and fervant anti-Communist and only an idiot would suggest he wants to return to the old PRL era. He has done as much as anyone to de-Communise Poland and pull it out of the past. Changing street names to remove Poland's links with its Communist past has cleared many memories... I notice that the new Marxist leaders in Warsaw among other places have restored some of these names to continue glorifying the Russian occupation. I also notice that the old guard in the judiciary, many of which achieved their position under PRL are pro PO.

Any sane person can see that links between PO and Communists are strong. It is PiS who are anti-Comminist.


By business friendly party, you really mean Mafia friendly party! PO want to abolish CBA. Why would they want to do that? Because the party is supported by crooks and gangsters.

@Dougpol1
What is exactly socialist about this government? 500 per child? What about UK other countries in Europe - There are lots,lots benefits, free houses for workshy there . Increasing salaries for teachers.....you were shouting loud they should be increased as teachers fought for it in UK.

I am not keen of PIS as on ethical,moral grounds they are very narrow minded and lack tolerance but they do much more for average person than PO ever did. PO was a bit like in 'Animal Farm' we are all equal but there are more and less equal.

I understand that you are British and you live in Poland now I am Polish and I live in England. I came to the conclusion that even by learning language, reading papers, watching tv....having native friends it is sometimes hard to understand some events as we were brought up in different culture.

In some aspect ( even with your class division) I find some things more socialist in UK than in Poland. One of them is state pension. And I will never understand mentality of 'champagne socialists' here they are just pathetic.

there's a thing in politics called .... ' d i p l o m a c y ' where a public figure says something nice in public about another public figure they don't like at all (for the sake of keeping a lid on things) granted Wałęsa was not diplomatic during his active political career but it doesn't hurt that he's getting an idea now


then why wasn't he detained during martial law? why did he volunteer to intern for the commie prosecutors office? how did his family afford that house in the PRL?


is an extremely PRL kind of thing to do...

Champagne socialists live on the back of the working class and do nothing to improve their lot. They like their cheap Polish plumbers and Polish cleaners and are all for EU membership because it allows for the import of cheap labour and drives down wages - not something which is good for the native working class. It's kind of like the US Dems supporting open borders even though open borders do nothing to improve the lives black and Latino US citizens.


Simpleton supporters are those who continue to support PO, although they witnessed their country being plundered by corruption scandal after corruption scandal for eight years under PO-PSL where the current elite lined their pockets with billions stolen from public funds.

I notice that the former finance minister - Rostowski ('Pieniedzy nie ma, i nie bedzie') is now attempting to line his pockets by becoming a British Euro MP.


There is nothing wrong with trying to remove a very unpleasant part of Poland history, which is completely the opposite of what happened under PRL where people were taught to praise their Russian masters and history was written to show that Russians were really the good guys, and that the Katyn massacre of Poland's inteligensia was done by Germans. My own father was a prisoner of war in to Siberia in September 1939.

You Bolsheviks will do everything to erase the long proud history of Poland and attempt to merge the country into some pan-European mush which does not have it's own culture and identity.

I think that if we named street after someone it should be poet, writer, inventor like Mickiewicz, Slowacki, Rej.....not after some political activist so it would be no need to change these names later.

This is Poland Bolek - you could stop anyone in the street and their family history from 1939 to 1950 would include a fair number of deaths, deportations, prison and amputated limbs, just like your father, so we understand that war and communism was bad.

But average Poles now are not obsessed by communism and decommujzation. 35 percent of voters were born after communism and plenty more have only vaguest memories of bread queues and associate those years more with pszczolka maja and boniek. So those people want what all normal people wants - healthcare, education, nice roads, opportunity for their kids etc. both parties need to find a way to connect with them but obsessing about a 10 year old plane crash and street names is not the way to do it.

But how many people went to school where they were taught the Russian version of 'history'? I still wonder how they teach modern Polish history in schools. It wouldn't suprise me if today's teachers refer to the vast crowds of patriots who went to the Independence day celebrations in Warsaw in November as Fascists.

In Britain when they teach the history of WWII it is all about defeating Hitler who invaded Poland in 1939. No one seems to even acknowledge that Russia also invaded Poland in 1939.

Poland had a long and proud history before it was taken apart by its neighbours in 1795 and again in 1939. Poles should be proud of their heritage and should be mindful of what it has suffered in getting to where it is today.

From everything I can gather.... they don't. The ideological war about rewriting the past means that the whole communist period is mostly skipped over which is a terrible shame....


how often do you visit Poland cause that sounds like you're taking PiS propaganda at face value, which.... giving people handouts to buy their votes is not 'doing much more for the average person' and is in fact doing active harm to the principles of democracy...

What do you mean by handouts? I would not say Poland swamps people with benefits. Principles of democracy-? People usually vote for party who promises/make impression that their life would be easier if they won. It is quite normal I think.

I visit Poland few times a year but I talk to people. I would not say I am under influence of PIS propaganda as I don't like their narrow-mindedness they are like polish version of 'Talibans'. :-).What does not change the fact that average 'Kowalski' is more interested if he would have job, price of properties,food, nurseries....

trzynastka for retirees, 500+ extended to first children, money for pigs and cows... all announced as the platform for the EU elections... classic kiełbasa wyborcza

meanwhile, those taking care of disabled children, doctors in training and teachers get squat... because they're not PiS voters

Exactly. At least in Britain the money is intended in theory to go where it is most needed. Definitely NOT to some work shy 45 year old in a village near Premsyl with 7 kids who "can't afford to feed my kids".

He sure can now, only the vodka keeps flowing no doubt.
If PIS had raised the tax threshold for a couple to a suitable figure allied to a 3rd of UK GDP, possibly around 3,500 zl a month, then that would have made sense for those in need (of course, they would have to be working - which would be deeply unpopular with village dad as he would then have to get a job to qualify for full entitlement.

Make sure your kids save their 500 zl a month folks - because they will be the ones paying it back with interest down the line. Austerity aint pretty, and has decimated communities in Britain.

PIS= fiscal irresponsibility at best - but rather gross incompetence and lack of accountability. Guaranteed to end in tears - just as a weak and divided Poland opened itself up to 150 odd years of partition.

In Britain it goes to some 50 year old Muslim from Birmingham with 20 kids by four wives who can't work because he can't speak English and has no skills or education. That however doesn't stop him from driving around in the latest Bentley.

Basically pork barrel politics. It will be interesting at the next election. The maths and demographics make it tricky, however there may well be a surge in turnout to get rid of them; this has happened before of course.


No it doesn't.

Yes it does I have lived in Birimgham for over 50 years

the problem is that PiS voters are very consistent in showing while other demographics... especially younger voters have an apathetic attitude and often can be bothered to actually show up and vote...

This is certainly an issue. It's bot been helped by the zameldowania system; people in their 20s and often 30s living in a city but registered as resident at their parents' address back in the village. They don't fill in the forms to voite where they actually live.

Nevertheless, the push to get PiS out a few years ago was quite impressive.


No it doesn't...

No matter what you say post Brexit there will be no room here for British economic migrants like yourself to pollute the Polish voting system with their progressive liberalism.

Maybe time for you to make a return to your homeland, politics looking good for you there comrade.

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Don't worry, Dolno; events back home don't affect who can vote in PL. I'm surprised you'd think they would...

But post Brexit no more brits will be able to have the freedom to move to and vote in PL , it can only be a good thing don't you agree

You will and I will, for the same reason.

We don't yet know if 'brexit' is happening, and most of the Brits there (like yourself) either have citizenship or temporary/permanent residence.

Fantastic isnt it , as Polish citizens we have the option of voting in both Polish and British Elections, I think the Polish government should reach out to Polish citizens in Britain to make sure they are aware of their options/obligations when it comes to the upcoming Polish elections.

I think brexit in some form will occur and freedom of movement between Europe and the UK will be restricted with strict requirements when it comes to qualifications and earnings, which would be reciprocal in the EU states , this can only be good thing, Poland can choose the cream and deny the dregs.

The various parties usually do a campaign about this.

Not just Birmingham but in an ever increasing number of Muslim ghettoes taking over England.


I don't think you know what you are talking about. Give me an example of narrow-mindedness? Do you mean they want to prevent the Islamisation of Poland. Comparing PiS with the Taliban is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

PiS may not exactly be in favour of a Gay Pride march in Warsaw but they are a long way from the Muslim attitude towards gays

thesun.co.uk/news/8957769/saudi-arabia-beheadings-execution-jobs/

The Taliban support exactly the same world view as Saudi Arabia.

BS no 1, you know nothing about this part of Europe, it is obvious.


BS no 2, there was no assassination.


BS no 3, he has been doing everything to take us back to communist-like times which he remembers the best and wants to recreate them because he feels lost in the modern world. E.g., his education reform called deform.

I only chose 3 pieces of utter feces from your first post, I could go on like that until BS no 24 with your next posts which are equally full of horrenduos lies and manipulations but you are not worth my next excessive quoting warning. :):)

That is why I will only say what I already said to that rabid crypto-comrade nationalist Ironside - see you at the ballot. :)

We will all be there to see you lose.