Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland

Somone doing nothing can still be better if you believe ghe other party will do stuff but only for the worse

As a very general rule since 1990 or so, Polish parties and politicians that do less tend to be more popular than those parties with detailed agendas they try to carry ou

The funniest thing is that PiS has turned out to be the greatest thieves and leeches that Poland has ever experienced since 1989.

You know nothing about real modern Poland. You still exploit old patterns which have already changed. I don`t need to vote PO to stop PiS. But how should you know about it?

Pis aren't the ones who invited the Marriot brigades from Germany to take over all the key industries in Poland, that'd be PO the party of prl communists who today sucks up to the EU and dissolves Poland's sovereignty. They even wanted to bring in muslims and africans just because Merkel and the EU asked them to. Pathetic .

Could you expand on this as I have not come across anything too controversial in the news.

secret tapes gold scandals, and selling property have been in the news.

There's one born every minute..... Why was JK (with no business or formal position in the appropriate ministry) negotiating with an Austrian builder?

Why was a PRL prosecutor one of the party's public faces?

Why is former Macierewicz boyfriend now in jail?

How much in the way of taxpayer resources did ɐss clown AM himself blow through in his endless fruitless 'investigation'?

PiS throw out a line full of bait for the suckers and you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.....

IDC as long as they're not bringing in turd worlders like PO wanted to do and keeping the country socially conservative ans polish culture alive. That's what matters most to me as a polish voter. If PO had its way they'd flood the country with monkey people that we'd have to support, let gays marry and keep selling off everything in polish hands to Germans and Jews as long as they get a cut. Fts

And no one cares about jks negotiation with an Austrian builder...

Dolno read on a website - try Rz or someone like that. PiS wanted to build a commercial skyscraper on their HQ site in Nowogrodzka - few hundred million zloty of work and then stiffed the architect. They told The architect to take them to court - courts which of course are controlled by PiS

Dirk - PO did not even exist when the Marriott Brigades were doing their thing. Neither did PiS

Spoken like a true ignoramus. That is not actually the truth. Stop using words carelessly.


Oh really? So you believe in some propaganda articles disguised as polls?

See, that Spring of Biedron is just a big joke like him. A gay activist turned mayor with empty promises, he never indented to keep, he even deny making them although there is a lot of evidence to the contrary, so he is a brazen liar as well. The same goes with his promises now. It is all a hot air and who believes him is a fool!

Did he said he wants to became a Prime Minister? lol! Why not Miss Poland? At the moment the probability of either of those things happening is the same. He has a cheek, I grant you that.

I think I am correct in saying that some in Po were involved in dodgy properyt deals too

The question was specific for Pawian to answer, the above dirty tricks happen everywhere, I am interested in anything policy wise that materially damages and disadvantages the people of Poland.

There are corrupt politicians all over the world, I specifically want to know which Pis policies are substantially damaging Poland.

A list would be good Pawian thanks in advance

Yes that is correct - but PiS came in saying they would clean up corruption. They have not done that, in fact it has probably got worse. On some other thread i showed how Polands rankings for corruption are getting worse again.

The Skyscraper thing is a big issue but the two very damaging scandals are the KNF and NBP ones as they show there is no independent control on the bosses of these vital institutions. It is very damaging for Polands business reputation

And Misiewicz? Macierewicz's best buddy?

And no worse than the Polish abattoir that was slaughtering and selling rotten sick beef, a one billion Euro business that has been substantially damaged.

Please back to my question of Pis damaging policies to Pawian,

By two rankings... also those rankings mean jack considering transparency international is a leftist ngo... US is ranked as one of the least corrupt countries while places like Bahamas and Seychelles are ranked over Israel and Poland... Rwanda is ranked less corrupt than Italy rofl

Also, it was the same PO people - just under a different party name. The 'Marriot Bridages' never stopped coming and they're still trying to buy up as much of Poland as possible. Even more so the past few years since the country is richer and more stable than ever.


Yet billions in FDI continue to flow in and every week there's an announcement of some new corporation opening an office or plant in Poland.

Open your eyes in any Polish city and you see the Indians etc they've let in as "students"....

It is far worse -

The beef is being done by private people in an industry that is already known to be dodgy. It is not the fault of politicians.

The KNF and NBP scandals are in a 50 billion euro business and are carried out by the ruling party.

Yes, but those people actually contribute to Poland. No one is paying for their food, housing, etc. unlike the muslims and africans in W. Europe. They take tech jobs for a few years then once they got their EU residency they move on to countries with higher wages and where there's a larger indian population

It was an analogy, my point being that politicians are no different to anyone else so you will have instance of corruption in the political world regardless of party.

Again policy is the future of Poland what Pis policies are damaging to Poland?

Uber eats is not a 'tech job'... and there's basically no precedent for most migrants ever leaving any European country. Even with its problems Poland is a nicer, cleaner place to live than India or Pakistan.

I gave you two examples already but to that we can add destroying the independence of the courts, running down the biggest companies by having morons as managers, a disastrous foreign policy of upset everyone and shirk responsibility and hundreds of other partisan moves.

Dirk - FDI is falling off a cliff at the moment - lots of reasons for that but the govt interference in industry and the extra taxes and lack of investor protection are making people nervous. It's much easier and cheaper to get a room at the Marriott these days.

en.portal.santandertrade.com/establish-overseas/poland/foreign-investment

Ok thats one policy, any more policies to add before we can get down to actually debating.

Why are the other examples not valid

Here are some more - the banking tax, Sunday trading, the interference in Universities, the extra solidarity tax for disability, the nationalization of banks and insurance companies.

No it isn't. The numbers for 2015 2016 2017 show fdi stock has grown with 2017 being a record high year. 2018 numbers aren't yet available but judging by the amount of new factories, offices construction projects it most certainly isn't falling off a cliff

The numbers:
tradingeconomics.com/poland/foreign-direct-investment

Article re new factories plants etc
google.com/amp/s/euronews.com/amp/2018/01/23/why-poland-is-a-top-fdi-destination

Like everything else they do, a dumb project created by people who know nothing about higher education...

Your own source shows that fdi stock increased as did the number of Greenfield (the best ventures and most expensive from a host company eyes opposed to other strategies like joint venture, import export, m and a, etc).

Fdi inflows are one measure of fdi which although declined in 2017, FDI stock went up. Fdi inflows decline one year can be as simple as a major loan not closing.

As usual you are incorrect. How many 10 billion dollar loans are there in a small market like Poland ? The biggest single transaction in the last few years probably Allegro at 3bn

Total inflow is the headline measure and greenfield starts are nice but only represent an improvement if they cause total inflie to grow - put that Ivy League brain to use.

As for FDI stock well that is more a reflection of how Polish investors are allocating cash and given terrible stock market performance it is no wonder they are investing in foreign owned projects

Dolno, be patient. I have just come back from 100 Days party, before that I had been working from 8 am to 5 pm. Yes, I am reading your desperate cries for an answer but now I am in two minds if I should turn in or answer you with all the details. .

No matter how you slice it, FDI keeps flowing into Poland and none of your anti-Polish propaganda is gonna change that....

Again, FDI reached a RECORD HIGH in 2017 in Poland. Total FDI has grown every year since 2015

tradingeconomics.com/poland/foreign-direct-investment

Even your own source says the following:

Poland figures among the most attractive countries in Europe in terms of FDI

en.portal.santandertrade.com/establish-overseas/poland/foreign-investment

And no FDI stock refers to the TOTAL foreign investment already in the country year to year/quarter to quarter - which as both the santandertrade and trading economics show is around 200 billion - and has increased year to year. That's the most important figure. Obviously one year to the other FDI inflow will decrease. What matters is that FDI stock is growing and people aren't pulling their money out of the country which would cause FDI stock to decrease - which it did not.


That is FDI outflows - not FDI stock. Wrong again, as usual - go back to economics 101 class.

investordictionary.com/definition/fdi-stock
FDI stock represents the direct investment position on a historical-cost basis, that is, the amount of investment already in the host country as opposed to the flow of capital into the host country in a given year.

Only a person with no knowledge of economics or IB would confuse FDI stock with FDI outflow.

OK, one example now because it is late. We are talking about "thieves and leeches" style of ruling,.

One of PiS`s ways of getting into power in 2015 was furious criticism of the former ruling party for their squandering of public money, especially by ministers and civil servants. PiS promised their voters to cut down on state administration`s expenses and perks. They promised the rule of modesty and humbleness and their main slogan was: Enough of stealing." Everything was to be different.

Today, PiS has surpassed their predecessors on the scale unknown before. They grabbed not only full power but also full profits connected with it, especially positions in state enterprises. They also retained and even widened old privileges.

PiS Prime Minister on 11 Nov 2015, Independence Day:
This government is made up by wonderful people. Righteous, hard-working, responsible. This government`s motto will be work and humbleness.

Suddenly, a scandal erupted when ministers received large bonuses for nothing. And the former Prime Minister assigned herself one, too.

The Prime Minister made a speech in which she defended the bonuses, saying her ministers and herself deserved them for their hard work for Poland. When the opposition booed and shouted "Give back the dough," she accused them of having done much worse things, including taking bribes from business.

She didn`t mention modesty and humbleness, like 2 years ago, any more.

PiS tried to defend their unjustified bonuses by pointing out to what former ruling party, PO, did in the past. However, the comparison is shocking and makes PiS`s explanations even more pathetic.

One example from the Ministry of Justice:
A few PO bonuses throughout 8 year`s rule amounted to 34.300 zlotys from 2007 to 2015.

PiS single bonus in single 2017 - 72.000. The info for 2016 is still unavailable.

It has been officially counted by the Supreme Audit Office that in one single 2017 PiS assigned themselves awards and bonuses 12 times higher than the previous government in the years 2014-15.

Link
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When they eventually realised that it might cost them too much, they decided to give back the bonuses.

Link
politico.eu/article/poland-ruling-party-pis-jaroslaw-kaczynski-beata-szydlo-beats-a-retreat-on-ministerial-bonuses/