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Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland


Spike31 2 | 699    
1 Mar 2019  #151
difference appears on extremes

Yes, I agree with this statement. Among men there's much more geniuses but also much more idiots. Women are more even in general.
Ironside 47 | 9,328    
1 Mar 2019  #152
As long as Poland is in the EU, PiS can`t do whatever they want

Here we go again in a merry go around. Yes, yes .. before you go to bed check everywhere maybe some PiS agent hides in your bedroom. rolls eyes.

So after a quite few posts we are back at the square one - you know nothing and are obsessed with your partisan BS. F peasant!

I remember how PiS went to the US to beg for their intervention. Have you forgotten?

What are you waffling about Delph? I don't know. Beside who cares about PiS? Not I.
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
  1 Mar 2019  #153
I remember how PiS went to the US to beg for their intervention. Have you forgotten?

Not only the US. They also complained to the EU when PO/PSL were in power.

you know nothing and are obsessed with your partisan BS.

Yawn.

Korwin's controversy comes from the fact that he is honest, too honest for a politician ;-). .

Well, I think you meant honest in the sense of sincere. Yes, he is too sincere and able to shock people on purpose, in order to make them listen to what he says. However. people tend to disregard his programme and only remember the shock. That is not the best way to attract voters, hence 5% support in national elections.

BTW, you you remember how he performed Nazi salute in the EU parliament? Or when he spoke about goat lovers on state TV - and even insisted that having sex with a goat should take place not in bed but in the goat enclosure. Incredible. :):):)

IF someone invite or welcome a foreign interference on his behave automatically becomes a traitor scum.

That`s about you because if you and your sort manage to take Poland out of the EU one day, then you are inviting a direct interference of the Kremlin into Polish affairs. First economic, then political and soon military.

There is only a one sure way of dealing with traitors. A rope.

Yes, but mind that there are more of us, decent patriots who don`t want to see Poland sold to the Kremlin again. Hanging us all will take you too long time. I suggest you use old, already tested methods: namely, a shot in the back of the head, then one kick and the corpse lands in a mass grave. You will really have to do it, no mock extermination with Gulags because even there I will stick to my opinion. Tell it to your superiors, you know where, they will have to deal with us for good. .
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
1 Mar 2019  #154
BTW, you you remember how he performed Nazi salute in the EU parliament?

It was glorious. Unfortunately it was too much for the EU snowflakes and they fined him.
Ironside 47 | 9,328    
2 Mar 2019  #155
mind that there are more of us,

You mean traitors? or F peasants? Either way it makes no difference, as your crowd is by and by cowardly and in 90% consist of morons. So I remain cheerful.

It is sad that you spew such a nonsense without blushing. Stop it.
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
  2 Mar 2019  #156
So I remain cheerful.

That`s good. Me too. For the time being, we have an upper hand over you and your sort because Poland is staying in the EU. You can only spit at your screen in helpless fury. :):)

Beside who cares about PiS? Not I.

So why did you so vehemently defend that PiS guy who, as a loyal communist prosecutor, oppressed underground Solidarity activists during martial law in 1980s? I still can`t understand it. Were you drunk and didn`t know what you were doing?

Stop it.

No. You know nothing about real Poland and Poles, everything what you write is a pack of blatant lies, distortions and harmful manipulated propaganda.
Ironside 47 | 9,328    
2 Mar 2019  #157
You can only spit at your screen in helpless fury. :):)

Is that what you do when you read my post? Use some bleach, spreading germs yuck!

I still can`t understand it.

I know you cannot understand. Because you're a peasant. OK, here is a hint - that is a BS argument and has nothing to do with the issue I was talking about. It is your peasant partisan mind that cannot handle all that obsession that makes it into some big deal.
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
2 Mar 2019  #158
It was glorious. Unfortunately it was too much for the EU snowflakes and they fined him.

Yes, amusing, as if a circus clown suddenly turned up at a serious meeting or even funeral and started performing tricks. But such gestures and remarks about women etc definitely put voters off. Korwin fully realises it but he can`t resist because he is a showman.

But I read that Korwin`s party has a legal problem with registration, I didn`t go into details, there are two identical parties and one, this original, has been annulled by the court. For the time being, Korwin is blocked and can`t take part in coming elections..
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
  2 Mar 2019  #159
turned up at a serious meeting or even funeral and started performing tricks.

There's nothing serious about the EP. The only tricksters are the meps bought and paid for by Soros and other Jews
delphiandomine 86 | 17,376    
2 Mar 2019  #160
But I read that Korwin`s party has a legal problem with registration

Not only legal problems, but also problems with this new grouping - newsweek.pl/polska/powstala-nowa-partia-pawel-kukiz-i-janusz-korwin-mikke-powinni-sie-zaczac-bac/p59lm1h - who could split the vote even further.
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
2 Mar 2019  #161
Don't worry , when they realise the danger of split votes, they will form a coalition like pro European opposition. :) There is a Polish saying: things are going to happen... :)

The latest poll: not bad, but still could be better.
tvn24.pl/tvn24-news-in-english,157,m/europarliament-s-poll-of-support-for-parties-ahead-of-european-election,914220.html

37,5 percent would vote for the European Coalition, 36,3 percent on Law and Justice (PiS) and 10,6 percent on Robert Biedroń's Wiosna party, according to the latest political parties support poll published on Friday by the European Parliament ahead of May's European elections.

Alexandra Dulkiewicz, a former deputy mayor, has decisively won the mayor elections in Gdańsk today. Exit polls say 84% to 12% to 4%. Nationalists and religious rightists had no chance.
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
4 Mar 2019  #162
Final result is 82%.

A scandalous behavior by nationalist members of election committess in local ballot stations - 13 cases of ink replacement were reported to the police. Those guys tried to smuggle their own ink, later used to seal cards and envelopes. It is suggested the illegal ink could be invisible so that the nationalist candidate could claim the voting was falsified. He suggested it a few minutes after closing the ballot.

trojmiasto.wyborcza.pl/trojmiasto/7,35612,24516364,komitet-brauna-probowal-zatuszowac-wybory-w-gdansku-komisarz.html
delphiandomine 86 | 17,376    
  4 Mar 2019  #163
A scandalous behavior by nationalist members of election committess in local ballot stations

That's absolutely disgusting. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest, but it really shows the need for all elections to be supervised by as many people as possible.

Incidentally, pawian, I acted as an electoral observer on behalf of the Stefan Batory Foundation during the local elections, and I'll hopefully do the same for the upcoming elections too. It was quite good fun - I had full right to observe everything about the conduct of the voting in the polling station.
Spike31 2 | 699    
11 Mar 2019  #164
So recently Marek Jakubiak has joined Konfederacja [Narodowcy+Korwin+Liroy+Godek+Grzegorz Braun]. The real conservative right-wing alternative is getting bigger and stronger.

And so called liberal opposition has drowned in backing LGBT-something which has very little support in Polish society. Thank God they are so silly and detached from reality. They will loose next elections big time. Left is on a way out.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,201    
11 Mar 2019  #165
Marek Jakubiak has joined Konfederacja

Who is Marek Jakubiak and what is Konfederacja? Do you mean Konfederacja Barska?
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
  11 Mar 2019  #166
They will loose next elections big time. Left is on a way out.

Who knows? That is why politics can be so fascinating not only to its makers but also observers.

And so called liberal opposition has drowned in backing LGBT-something which has very little support in Polish society.

Thanks for mentioning it. Indeed, commentators suggest that PiS and nationalists have just found a newr enemy, namely LGBT people. The EU Parliament election campaign is going to be based on the motif of protecting Polish kids.

polandin.com/41692741/lgbt-warsaw-declaration-stirs-emotions-in-polish-politics
On Saturday, during a PiS convention in Jasionka, south-east Poland, Mr Kaczyński said that Mr Trzaskowski's recent LGBT declaration was "an attack on Polish families and children", and that PiS would "defend Polish families"

For the time being, PiS openly copies ideas from ultranationalists.
Compare these two illustrations:



Spike31 2 | 699    
11 Mar 2019  #167
Who is Marek Jakubiak and what is Konfederacja?

Well, if you don't know that you've got no business in discussing Polish politics.

Let me google it for you:

lmgtfy.com/?q=Marek+Jakubiak

For the time being, PiS openly copies ideas from ultranationalists.

What is ultra-nationalist? A simple term: "Nationalism" describes perfectly what nationalists, like myself, stand for. That is:

> Ordered liberty
> Independent Nation-state
> Christian civilisation
> Natural law
> Classical heritage

Ziemowit 12 | 3,201    
11 Mar 2019  #168
if you don't know that you've got no business in discussing Polish politics.

The problem is that many people in Poland wouldn't know that. Some would identify Jakubiak, but they rather associate him with Kukiz15, and only very few would identify Konfederacja. Those asked would probably associate it with KPN which was one of the many political incarnations linked to JKM and actually one which existed the longest of them all.
delphiandomine 86 | 17,376    
11 Mar 2019  #169
A simple term: "Nationalism" describes perfectly what nationalists, like myself, stand for.

Yet you live in the UK, not Poland. One has to question your commitment to those values.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,201    
11 Mar 2019  #170
It certainly isn't a case of 'going where your mouth is', is it? The same applies to Ironside, one of the most avowed Polish nationalists on the PF.
Spike31 2 | 699    
11 Mar 2019  #171
Yet you live in the UK, not Poland. One has to question your commitment to those values.

I guess I'll make you happy with those good news since I'm moving back to Poland this summer :-)

My contract is over and I won't extend it. My place is in Poland. My skills, my money (which I earned in the UK) and my commitment to a national cause will benefit Poland from then on. I may even visit my friends in Poznan too :-P
OP pawian 143 | 7,217    
12 Mar 2019  #172
My place is in Poland.

That`s how it should be. This country needs intelligent citizens, even if they are a bit nationalistic. :) So, good luck, invest your money wisely, so that you don`t need to leave again.
Spike31 2 | 699    
12 Mar 2019  #173
I beg you pardon, why only a "bit nationalistic"? Let me be clear here that I fully support nationalist cause and I don't respect half-arse approach to anything in life :-)

"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of My mouth" [Revelation 3:15-16]
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
13 Mar 2019  #174
What city in PL u plan on moving to spike?
Spike31 2 | 699    
13 Mar 2019  #175
I'll move to Warsaw to make my plans work. It has Google startup campus and great pool of an IT talents. Vibrant nightlife is a bonus.
delphiandomine 86 | 17,376    
13 Mar 2019  #176
The real conservative right-wing alternative is getting bigger and stronger.

Let's just debunk this myth, shall we?

Turns out that this "conservative right-wing alternative" is actually weaker than ever. The latest polls show:

Koalicja Europejska: 35%
PiS: 33%
Wiosna: 11%
Kukiz'15; 7%
Lewica Razem: 4%
Konfederacja: 3%

So, as it stands:

Left wing/Centre: 50%
Right wing: 43%

Translated into seats for the European election:

KE: 22
PiS: 20
Wiosna: 6
Kukiz'15: 4

The problem is that many people in Poland wouldn't know that.

Quite. When you look at recognition of politicians, Konfederacja is just another JKM mouthpiece. No-one cares about Winnicki and other clowns like Godek, and the nationalists consistently poll poorly when they stand by themselves.
Spike31 2 | 699    
13 Mar 2019  #177
Turns out that this "conservative right-wing alternative" is actually weaker than ever. The latest polls show:

The greatest polls and tests for politics are elections. Let's wait till EU elections and Parliamentary elections in autumn, shall we :-)

I remember hearing the same opinions from panicked libs in 2015 who claimed that there's no way that A. Duda will win presidency over Bronislaw "Shogun" Komorowski.

And later on that there's no way that PiS will win the Parliamentary elections with PO. And then that there's no way that they'll be able to get more than 50% of seats to be able to rule and so on... :-P

PS: Grzegorz Braun, who is a part of Konfederacja, gained 12% of votes in a very liberal Gdansk a week ago. And he only has started campaign a few weeks before the elections.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,201    
13 Mar 2019  #178
Grzegorz Braun, who is a part of Konfederacja, gained 12% of votes in a very liberal Gdansk a week ago

He did it only because PiS didn't place its own candidate on the list. If PiS had, much of the vote would have flown away from Braun to a PiS candidate.

nationalists consistently poll poorly when they stand by themselves

That's true. Nationalists have never been popular among Polish voters. They know it and that is why they usually try to "attach" themselves to another political body in an election as has recently been the case with Kukiz'15.
Ironside 47 | 9,328    
13 Mar 2019  #179
Nationalists have never been popular among Polish voters.

They don't have a platform to inform the people what they are on about. Not like PO that has a dozen of large media supporting them, German money or even Soros money, including crazy feminists, LGBT revolutionaries, those are fringe groups that have up to 600 people. No comparison to narodowcy, yet I'm sure even a lame opportunist like you heard about those. So, don't talk as if you knew anything beside repeating few talking points of GW or TVN.
cms neuf - | 687    
13 Mar 2019  #180
Surely they could raise money from their members or supporters ?

Just two problems with that

- there are not many supporters
- those that do exist are generally jobless louts with no money


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