History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]


I wouldn't think of denying your whiteness, but don't attribute that to any Khazar background. The Khazars were a turkic people and so they would have been darker than europeans and with central asian features. Nothing like your Irish features. I think you can assume that you, like plenty of Jews, have some white european ancestors who joined the jewish gene pool. But unless you look like Borat, forget the Khazar nonsense.

History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]


You hit the nail on the head. The whole reason you and other crackpot jew haters keep bringing up the Khazar story is to attack the legitimacy of the Jews – not just of Israel but of Jews in general. You're saying that we're not who we say we are. (Now this would clear us of killing you lord, since you would put us in central asia on the date of the crime, but who talks about that anymore).

The whole Khazar bullsht is a figment of the imagination. Sure there were Khazars in history but their only recorded descendent is apparently your pal Genecps. They faded out of history a thousand years ago. On the other hand, the Jews just don't fade away. And our little "Project in palestine" is not fading away either. Get used to it – we'll be here long after your sorry ass is long forgotten.

History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]


You talk like a comic book character. Let me be clear: No one denies that there was once a people called the Khazars - this is historic fact. And it's probably true that their rulers adopted the Jewish religion. But there are no Jews today who have a family tradition that can trace their families back to the khazars. You claim that you know you're a Khazar and I say you're making it up because it makes you feel special. It gives you a way to be both Jewish and redneck. There was another joker on this forum who say he's from the tribe of Benjamin. That's also a ridiculous thing to say. All Jews are descended from the tribe of Benjamin, and the tribes of Judah and Levi, and we all probably have some blood of the other tribes because they all married each other. But no jewish family in the world has an actual documented connection with any specific tribe, except the Levis (including the Kohanim) who keep this tradition because they have certain ceremonial functions.

Nothing wrong with feeling a connection to teh Khazars, but don't make up a tradition that doesn't exist. If you're looking for a way to be a tough jew you don't have to look in the far east of russia, you can come to israel and be as tough as you like. Better yet, you'll cause less trouble in russia. Have a good trip.

History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]


If anything, the name Segal indicates that you are a Levite and there couldn't have been any Khazari Levites.
What's this fixation on the Khazars? It's like a modern englishman insisting that his family are Druids and that he has an irresistable urge to put big stone slabs in a circular pattern. If you're a Jew that should be enough to make you proud. Why look for an imaginary identity? And what's with the "warrior" thing? Do you wear a hat with horns and run around with a cape too?

History / Polish perspective of WW1: Germany, their Defeat & the Legend of the Stab in the Back [17]


If you can't explain Germany's defeat in rational terms, the obvious alternative is to blame the 1% of Germany's citizens that were Jews. Hitler found that a convincing argument, and he should know, he was a corporal.

USA, Canada / Where could I go in Pittsburgh that has a high population of Polish-Americans? [39]


I heard there are a lot of Central Europeans in Central Europe. You might want to try that.

Life / Multiracial Poles [154]


And I suggest that you get suspended for spreading a fake source. The "essay" you quote was exposed as a hoax. See link:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Racial_Program_for_the_Twentieth_Century

and you are exposed as a Neanderthal, which I guess is on topic.

History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]


It's true. I'm not a Khazar from other sites. And a lot of my friends aren't too.

Love / So I'm an Arab Muslim and freaking out! I'm about to meet my Polish girlfriend's parents [21]


What about your parents? Are they OK with you marrying a christian? Does she want to live in Hadhramout? Does she like spicy Yemeni food?

You got a lot of issues to resolve.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

[quote=pawian]I am sorry but I suppose you mistake two products:

I am sorry but you mistake two kinds of Jews.
The bagel you show as "Jewish Bagel" is known in Israel as an American Bagel.
The one you show as "Krakow bagel" is what they sell in Israeli grocery stores and kiosks. But they just call it a "Baigeleh".

It comes with poppy seeds, sesame seeds or sesame+zaatar (a middle east spice). It has a sprinkling of salt too.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]


You are so right. I think that we Jewish people should send all our bagels back to Poland where they belong. What would you like on your bagel?

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]


I think that came to Poland from Turkey. It's everywhere in the middle east.

News / Amb. W. Sobków's response to G. Coren's "Today I am make first column in Polski" [59]


I agree that the writer is a filthy etc. The article was disgusting stereotyping and insulting. I can't stand when journalists think that freedom of the press is a license to lie, mock and disrespect entire ethnic groups as if their feelings count for nothing. But your hint about how they wouldn't dare insult Jews is not true. They do it all the time. The Times recently ran a cartoon showing Netanyahu cementing a brick wall with the blood of screaming palestinians oozing from between the bricks. It was right out of Der Sturmer. If they feel free to insult me, then they'll feel just as free to insult you. That's how "serious" the Times is.

Maybe Poles are too sensitive. Maybe Jews are too. But when the Times shows it's really no better than the trashy British tabloids, it deserves to be reprimanded. The ambassador's response was great.

News / Amb. W. Sobków's response to G. Coren's "Today I am make first column in Polski" [59]


Retaliation for what?

History / What do nations of the world owe to Poland and Polish people? [58]


I don't see the cause and effect here. Do you think the US gives us military aid today because Jews "suffered" during WWII?

If that makes sense to you, then how do you explain that they waited till the 1960s before giving us military aid? Does the term "cold war" say anything to you?


How pathetic. Maybe if you ask them nicely, they'll let you have some. But wait, you're Canadian aren't you? So I guess you don't need nukes there since America protects you anyway. What makes Canadians so special?

Love / ACCEPTABLE modest wear for Polish women? [49]


How about food. You can't eat the meat in Polish restaurants. When I was in Poland I brought my own food from home because I can't eat anything cooked in a non-kosher kitchen. At least I can drink the beer, but I don't think you're allowed to do that.

Love / ACCEPTABLE modest wear for Polish women? [49]

Hey abu3issa. Doing fine, thank G-d.

When I travel abroad, it's sometimes a problem to keep my head covered, which we're supposed to do even indoors. I either wear a kippah or a hat and that doesn't always blend in well in Europe. The good side is that when I do wear a kippah, any Jew who sees me recognizes me as a "member of the tribe" and then we start to talk as if we were old friends.

You won't find a kosher restaurant in Poland except maybe in Krakow, but if you see a guy in the street with a kippah, just walk up to him and say "Where can a Jew eat around here?"

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Without going into your obvious bias, I want to clear up a misconception. In Medieval Europe (till the enlightenment) every individual belonged to a certain segment of society whether they wanted to or not. There were the serfs, burghers, guild members, clergy, aristocrats and so on. Society (or the kingdom) imposed different rights and obligations to each of the groups. For example, Jews could work with money but they couldn't own land or be admitted to guilds. Catholic clergy had advantages over townspeople, and the aristocrats owned huge areas of land including whole towns and villages. When the government taxed Jews they didn't ask each one to file a statement of income; they went to the head of the community and told him how much tax the Jews had to give him, and they paid as a community, not as individuals. No one in medieval society could choose what sector he's belong to – not serfs, not Jews not noblemen and not craftsmen – and no one questioned it. That situation wasn't invented by Jews any more than it was invented by serfs. And none of this really changed much until the 19th century. So to say that Jews had priviliges or advantages over other Poles is an anachronism. There was no concept in those days of any sort of equality, people weren't thought of as individuals but as groups and each group got screwed by some other group.

When your millions of of oppressed peasants got too upset at their predicament, the ruling class (nobility or church) had a good way for them to let off steam – they blamed it on the Jews and encouraged pogroms. Then things quieted down. The problem is that many peasants never saw through this manipulation, and they believed the lies that were told to them. Some, like you, still believe it today.

Love / ACCEPTABLE modest wear for Polish women? [49]

There might be restaurants that call themselves kosher, but they're often just "Jewish style" and don't really keep the rules of kashrut (kosherness?). And my experience has been that kosher restaurants in remote places are never open when I'm there. Maybe it's just my luck.

Love / ACCEPTABLE modest wear for Polish women? [49]


Good to know. Next time I'm around one of those places I'll look them up.


I don't think he would feel that. But who knows?

You really never met a Jew? I've met plenty of Arabs where I live, but never a Saudi, or a Hadhrami.
Hope your first Jew turns out to be a nice guy.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


I wasn't talking about Poland only - most pogroms were in other parts of the Russian empire, especially Ukraine. So my examples are not just in Poland. Here are some:

Kalisz 1542, 1557
Warsaw, May 1790
Odessa 1821
Warsaw, Christmas 1881
Kiev and 64 other towns in Russia 1881
Kishinev, Easter 1903
Bialystok 1906
You can google them to find out more details about these and other pogroms.
There were pogroms after WWI too, but that gets into the whole issue of nationalism after the breakup of the Russian Empire, so thats for a different discussion.

I also left out the cossack uprisings in 1648 against the Polish landowners, which killed thousands of Jews, because that was part of a wider conflict.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


No one said "stupid peasants" but you. In my opinion, people were manipulated, whether they were peasants or business owners in towns. And they were manipulated by other Poles. This is not to say that they didn't have grievances, but that the grievances were exploited by the ruling classes to deflect criticism from them and focus it on the Jews.

Peasants were manipulated all over Europe in one way or another for centuries. That's why they were peasants. I'm not saying "Poles are stupid" like you think I am. I am saying that peasants, who were kept uneducated and uninformed were easy to manipulate by people in power. The manipulators were no less Polish than the peasants. This is true for Russia and Ukraine too. You're right that the Polish examples I gave were not about the peasants. I said from the beginning that my "analysis" wasn't specifically about Poland, and applied more to Ukraine. There I think it was more peasant anger that was deflected toward the Jews, but not only.

The point of my comments were not to make fun of Polish peasants at all, but to say that Yerrik's statements (that Jews were given extra privileges over Poles) was anachronistic and malicious.

Love / My Polish wife's family hate me. Maybe it is because I'm black. Advice needed. [87]


Nonsense.


If you mean "Schvartzer", that is just "Black" in Yiddish and German. It's only nasty if it's said in a nasty context.


You're making this up. I just read the chapter you referred to. All it says is that Miriam and Aharon spoke about the Ethiopian woman that Moses married. But it doesn't even say what they said about her. Then it says that she criticized Moses saying that he wasn't the only one that G-d spoke to. How you can conclude from this unclear event that Jews has always been against blacks is beyond my understanding. And apparently you think that Moses and his family were Ashkenazim? That's a bit of an anachronism since the Ashkenazi community didn't start to form till the middle ages, about 2500 years later. Do you suppose Moses spoke Yiddish too?

Nicki, you have a lot to learn about Judaism and Jews. Learning a few phrases in Hebrew doesn't give you real knowledge of what being Jewish is about. My advice is to learn before you speak.

History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]



Let's get this straight:
WWII was NOT about Jews, and millions from many nations were killed.
The "Holocaust" WAS about Jews, and was NOT about WWII. It started from 1933 in German then Austria and then, enabled by the war, in the rest of Europe.

"Holocaust" is a term that was coined to refer to what happened to the Jews. I know that millions of Poles, Russians and Germans were killed during the war. There is a name for that and it's "World War II". What the Nazis did to the Jews was not done in the course of fighting the war, it was done in occupied areas after the front moved on. Plenty of local non-Jews participated in it willingly. But I'll be the first to say that if we're pointing fingers it should be at Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Romanians, Hungarians, French, Dutch and others before talking about Poles. The Poles didn't perpetrate the holocaust. We know that. But when defending Poland, it doesn't have to be done by insulting Jews. That only reinforces the impression that your trying to change.

History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]


So I guess we're making too big a deal over what happened to the Jews.


Yes. A dead victim is more horrific than a dead murderer.


I see. So I guess shipping civilians from all over Europe to Poland and then gassing them by the millions is not real any different than soldiers dying in battle. And if the victims are the same in your eyes, then I guess the perpetrators are the same. So there's no difference between a Polish soldier defending his country against the Germans and a German soldier machine-gunning women and children into an open pit.

Thanks for opening my eyes.

History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]


Not in my book.


Italics! Hint. Hint. And who would that be?


So what is there to say about that? Instead of complaining about the so called xenophobia of Jews, why don't you work to correct the impression Jews have that Poles hate them. I can tell you that I never heard a Jew say any bad word about Poles except for that one thing - that they hate us. So if it's not true (and I don't think it is) then do something about it. Tell Jews - on the internet or in person - that the only thing you don't like about them is that they call you an antisemite and you're not.

History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]


I guess you are misunderstanding me.
It is a bad word (or sentence) to say that someone is a hater. I am commenting that the only bad thing I ever heard any Jew say about Poles is just that – that they hate us. I've never heard any Israeli say anything against Polish customs, habits, culture, appearance, language, music or people. They just have that impression, which most Poles say is false, that they don't like Jews. So again I'm saying that instead of answering that charge with nasty reactions, Poles should interact with Jews and show that they don't hate us. Jews should do the same toward Poles. I guarantee that once Jews (especially Israelis) meet some friendly Poles who show no antagonism to their bring Jewish, they will be great friends of Poland.

News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]


Point of information: The half-shekel donation was not a tax. Half a shekel was a tiny amount that anyone, rich or poor, was able to pay, and it signified the participation of every soul in the building of the tabernacle. If you want to take an example of taxation from the Bible, it would have to be the tithe. That was a flat 10% rate on all income. Income in ancient society was basically agricultural produce. So you would have to take 10% of the grain, fruits, olive oil and wine that you produced and give it as a tax.

This was not a fairy tale, but a legal system.

History / If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...? [240]


Jews are also an ethnicity, and a religion.
"Semitic" is actually a linguistic category. People only started using it to refer to Jews in the 19th century in Germany. The term was invented to make "Jew-hatred" sound more scientific. It went along with pseudo-scientific theories about the inferiority of the "Jewish race". So in that sense you're not Semitic. But in the linguistic sense you are. Welcome.


I'm also part Aramean, since Rachel and Leah, the wives of Jacob, were Aramean. On the night of Passover we recite a text that says "My father was a wandering Aramean, and he went down into Egypt..."

History / If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...? [240]


The term is not accurate. I agree. I think it should just be called Anti-Jewish hatred.
I disagree with you about the hatred being just about the religion. The Nazis even took Jews who converted to Christianity and gassed them too. In Poland, Jewish communists were hated just as much as religious Jews, possibly more, even though they renounced their religion. When Wagner criticized the "Jewish influence" in music, he was talking about westernized assimilated Jews in Germany, not religious Jews.