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What do Poles owe to Jews?


pawian 153 | 8,369
1 Jul 2012  #1
After a great success of such Polish history threads as

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Leśmian
Bolesław Leśmian (Bolesław Lesman; 1877[1] - 1937) was a Polish poet, artist and member of the Polish Academy of Literature. He was one of the most influential poets of the early 20th century in Poland, one of the best poets of 20th century and cousin of another notable poet of the epoch - Jan Brzechwa and a nephew of famous poet and writer of Young Poland - Antoni Lange.

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Brzechwa
Jan Brzechwa (Polish pronunciation: [ˈbʐɛxfa]), (Żmerynka, Podolia, 15 August 1898 - 2 July 1966, Warsaw, Poland) was a Polish poet and author, known mostly for his contribution to children's literature. He was born Jan Wiktor Lesman to a Polish family of Jewish descent.[1]

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Some people say that even Adam Mickiewicz, the greatest Polish poet, was partly Jewish.

The origin of our probably the greatest Polish poets already aroused controversy in the nineteenth century. In our time too here and there are revived theories of Jewish descent of Mickiewicz - both in anti-Semitic circles as well as among people willing to accuse of anti-Semitism of those who ... do not recognize the thesis of the Semitic genealogy of our bard. Where did the rumors about this came from? Can they be true? At the beginning of it the fundamental note. Well, Jewish origin is inherited in the female line, which means that a Jew can be only a man whose mother was Jewish. For this reason, the origin of the father of our poet is not relevant to resolve this issue.

lukaszrokicki.pl/2009/04/19/czy-mickiewicz-byl-zydem

A few famous Polish writers or poets were Jewish who they created their masterpieces in Polish:

Bruno Schulz (July 12, 1892 – November 19, 1942) was a Polish writer, fine artist, literary critic and art teacher born to Jewish parents,[1] and regarded as one of the great Polish-language prose stylists of the 20th century. Schulz was born in Drohobych, in the province of Galicia then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and spent most of his life there. He was killed by a German Nazi officer.

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Stanisław Lem (Polish pronunciation: [staˈɲiswaf ˈlɛm] ( listen); 12 September 1921 – 27 March 2006) was a Polish writer of science fiction, philosophy and satire. His books have been translated into 41 languages and have sold over 27 million copies.[1] He is perhaps best known as the author of the 1961 novel Solaris, which has been made into a feature film three times. In 1976 Theodore Sturgeon said that Lem was the most widely read science fiction writer in the world.[2] In 1996, Lem was the recipient of the prestigious Polish national award, the Order of the White Eagle.[3]

His works explore philosophical themes; speculation on technology, the nature of intelligence, the impossibility of mutual communication and understanding, despair about human limitations and mankind's place in the universe. They are sometimes presented as fiction, but others are in the form of essays or philosophical books. Translations of his works are difficult due to passages with elaborate word formation, alien or robotic poetry, and puns. Multiple translated versions of his works exist.


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Ironside 47 | 9,572
2 Jul 2012  #2
Some people say that even Adam Mickiewicz, the greatest Polish poet, was partly Jewish.

Some people say anything. That myth has been busted a long time ago!
legend 3 | 669
2 Jul 2012  #3
What do the Poles owe to Jews?

NOTHING.

Instead demand pay, for the nasty propaganda they pulled against Poles. Demand an apology from them for being partly responsible for many of the tragedies in Poland.
genecps 7 | 131
2 Jul 2012  #4
Instead demand pay, for the nasty propaganda they pulled against Poles. Demand an apology from them for being partly responsible for many of the tragedies in Poland.

That's what we do, we sit around and try to figure out a way to do that stuff. lol
We have an order to this:

1. find a way to steal all the money.
2. then get into Politics and inact measures to destry the country of our residence (this benefits us, trust me!)
3. then we kidnap Christian babies and make matzoball soup from them.

And if that doesn't work, we open up liquor stores and make sure that the lazy can stay drunk, not get a college education, and not be able to get good jobs.

Legend, I bet my plan worked in your case!

SUCCESS!!! lol
jasondmzk
2 Jul 2012  #5
What do the Poles owe to Jews?

NOTHING.

You know what? He's right. I mean, he's also an enormous buttface; but the two aren't mutually exclusive. What the Poles took from us, us being "The Jews", they could never repay. And to whom would they? To whom would they offer an apology? There's 8000 Jews in Poland, there aren't enough frequent flier miles in the world to visit all the families affected by their weakness of will, or worse, treachery.

No, what the Poles took from the Jews they took from themselves. The World Judaica is fine. Today, it is Poland whom suffers the ills from Poland's sins. There is a hole in Poland, a cavity in her very soul, and it isn't up to Poland to fill this hole, it is up to the Jews. And this Jew took his remuneration in the opportunities that are only afforded to America's Jewry. Also, I stole one of your best chicks. And I ain't giving her back. Poland's loss.
genecps 7 | 131
2 Jul 2012  #6
personal remark removed. 3 Million Poles also died in WWII most at the hands of the Germans. Most who did nothing were afraid! Most of you American Jews are So BRAVE, I bet u served in a combat branch of the military and after 9/11 volunteered to go to war! It's easy to speak in hindsight about bravery!
BBman - | 345
2 Jul 2012  #7
Jason, also keep in mind that Jews collaborated with the soviets during the 1st world war/polish-bolshevik war as well as the 2nd world war when a large chunk of poland fell into the hands of the soviets. Countless poles died and/or suffered because of this treason.
genecps 7 | 131
2 Jul 2012  #8
You are misinformed. Jews didn't care for bolshevik ideals. Jews had their own political group called the Jewish Bund. The Russian Tzar send in Cossacks to kill Jews, to a tune of 30,000 (men, women, children), that's the only reason Jews sided with the bolsheviks against the Tzar, and those Poles who sided with the Tzar were obviously considered enemies.

And if u think us siding with the Soviets in WWII was wrong, you are on crack homeboy! Both my grandfathers were Red Army Soldiers and I'm glad they both got to kill a lot of Nazis. One of my grandfathers was in both the Battle of Stalingrad and one of the first soldiers into Berlin. The other lost part of his leg over Hungry being a point-man.

War is ugly, bad things happen. Siding against the Poles was not an agenda for Jews. But if you have any proof, please post links here, theories are dime a dozen!

As far as I'm concerned bad blood between Jews and Poles can be traced to the Romanov Royal family of Russian when they took control of Poland (not the Russian people, but these idiots specifically).

BTW. Pawian dobre, I'm only messing with with the $20 remark (u probably got that).

U know what would be interesting, to create a township, mini state in Eastern Poland for Jews of Polish/Belarus/Lithuanian descent who would like to establish a farming community. something where we can have our own Sheriffs/Fire/EMS department. I'm sure I could easily convince Khazars / Karaite Jews (for those who do not know, it's a branch of Judaism that Follows only Torah and not Talmud). We are what you would classify as a secular branch, which means: those of us who hold strong convictions do not look like the Amish. And we are not against mixing either (a lot are of mixed bloods anyway among us now days). We also believe in serving the nation in the combat branches of the military. And we believe that loyalty to ones country comes above loyalty to coreligionists who live in a different country.

Kinda like Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia:

facebook.com/groups/264824800248298/
Hipis - | 227
2 Jul 2012  #9
You are misinformed. Jews didn't care for bolshevik ideals. Jews had their own political group called the Jewish Bund. The Russian Tzar send in Cossacks to kill Jews, to a tune of 30,000 (men, women, children), that's the only reason Jews sided with the bolsheviks against the Tzar, and those Poles who sided with the Tzar were obviously considered enemies.

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov) although his maternal grandfather was Jewish, most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and -- as chairman of the Central Executive Committee -- head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky. Lazar Kaganovich and Pavel Postyshev, who oversaw the disastrous collectivization of farms in the Ukraine whick led to the Holodomor, were also Jewish.
peterweg 36 | 2,315
2 Jul 2012  #10
You are misinformed. Jews didn't care for bolshevik ideals.

most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.

I believe communism is incompatible with Jewish religion. So it would come down to how you define Jewish-ness..
Hipis - | 227
2 Jul 2012  #11
Communism is incompatible with any religion. How do you define Jewishness? Who knows? Is it a religion, an ethnicity or a nationality? I'm not a sociologist or a geneticist so anything I put forward as an opinion would no doubt be shot down by the amateur experts on PF. ;)
Harry
2 Jul 2012  #12
Communism is incompatible with any religion.

So why do you claim that most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews? Well, other than the blindingly obvious reason anyway.
legend 3 | 669
2 Jul 2012  #13
The fact that many commisars (especially in early Communism) were Jews is true.

Many Jews consider themselves to be a race.
Many different ways to identify them.
Germanic Jews identify themselves as Azhkenazim
Spanish Jews as Sephardi.

They even have studies on their genes.
You can look up Haplogroup J1, the Cohen gene, etc.

Yes there are black Jews but they still have the Semitic (or some say not) markers:

forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/?p=all
haaretz.com/jewish-world/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664
cohen-levi.org/jewish_genes_and_genealogy/the_dna_chain_of_tradition.htm

Of course, saying it is a religion is true even more.

DIfferent groups will have different guidelines to follow.

*Edit* Just one more thing... in many parts of the world there are "athiestical Jews" in government statistics.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

The table on this page (shows Jews as an ethnicity).
bullfrog 6 | 603
2 Jul 2012  #14
The fact that many commisars (especially in early Communism) were Jews is true.

yep, and also many capitalists were jews (think bankers and rothschild, warburg..) and also many scientists and Nobel Prize winners.. Maybe it's just that the average Jew is more clever than the average non Jew??
Hipis - | 227
2 Jul 2012  #15
So why do you claim that most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews?

You are misinformed. Jews didn't care for bolshevik ideals. Jews had their own political group called the Jewish Bund. The Russian Tzar send in Cossacks to kill Jews, to a tune of 30,000 (men, women, children), that's the only reason Jews sided with the bolsheviks against the Tzar, and those Poles who sided with the Tzar were obviously considered enemies.

That's why.

Well, other than the blindingly obvious reason anyway.

The blindingly obvious reason being it's a historical fact.
Harry
2 Jul 2012  #16
yep, and also many capitalists were jews (think bankers and rothschild, warburg..) and also many scientists and Nobel Prize winners.. Maybe it's just that the average Jew is more clever than the average non Jew??

Or it could be that they are less accepting of the status quo (largely due to the status quo in the majority of places and times involved Jews getting the shiitty end of the stick).
raffalin - | 1
2 Jul 2012  #17
I think you should tell of what do Jews owe to Poles. Check history and find out why so many Jews came to Poland. Jews were throwed from all coutries since XII century. Nobody liked them. Only in Poland they felt welcome and good. Many Jews came to Poland when king Casimir III the Great was rulling country (1350 year and after). He allowed them to settle in Poland in great numbers and protected them as people of the king. Thats why so many Jews lived in Poland before WWII and thats why so many of them died here from the hands of germans who assaulted Poland. Many of Poles died protecting or hiding Jews in their houses. Of course they were some who sold hiding Jews to germans, but im sure in every nation you will find such a "low morality" people. How Jews repayed Poles? Many of them become high ranked members of UB - polish NKWD. Stalin promoted many Jews to serve him in polish UB. They hunted polish soldiers from AK who didn't want to agree on soviet influence on Poland and polish goverment and they sentenced these AK soldiers to death. So many young boys died from their hands. Check who was Salomon Morel, Berman, Romkowski, Brystygierowa i Fejgin.... and prosecutor Helena Wolińska. She sented to death many polish people and then left to GB in 70's asking for asylum and bad-mouthing Poland ever since. As you see Jews were welcome in Poland since centuries and it was their second home, and if not WWII happend they probably would still feel safe here.
genecps 7 | 131
2 Jul 2012  #18
Yes, there were definitely some idealists who were from poor but educated families who thought life would be better for the peasantry in a Marxist environment. If Stalin wouldn't gotten involved it would have become a socialist state.
Hipis - | 227
2 Jul 2012  #19
I think you should tell of what do Jews owe to Poles.

We can't do that, that would be anti Semitic and everyone knows what a huge nation of anti Semites us Poles are ;)
genecps 7 | 131
2 Jul 2012  #20
Now in Israel they got Kibuts system, and technically it is mini functioning communism in it's truest form. Other then that communism isn't compatible with anyone.

I don't drink and am a workaholic, why should I get what a lazy drunk who doesnt want to put as much effort into making his families life better gets, is the question!
Harry
2 Jul 2012  #21
Only in Poland they felt welcome and good.

So good and so welcomed that they weren't allowed to live in most cities in Poland. For example, for the majority of the time that Warsaw has been the capital of independent Poland, Jews were not allowed to live in the city.

Many of Poles died protecting or hiding Jews in their houses.

And many Jews died as a result of the actions of Poles. There were good Poles and bad ones.

They hunted polish soldiers

Just as Polish 'soldiers' from organisations such as NSZ hunted down Jews and murdered them.

She sented to death many polish people

You are either a liar or unable to understand what the word 'prosecutor' means.
Hipis - | 227
2 Jul 2012  #22
You are either a liar or unable to understand what the word 'prosecutor' means.

Yes, he should have written persecutor because that's what she was.
peterweg 36 | 2,315
2 Jul 2012  #23
(largely due to the status quo in the majority of places and times involved Jews getting the shiitty end of the stick).

And whose fault is that? The world is a harsh place, go back a few thousand years and our ancestors would have probably eaten any foreigners they found wandering the countryside.

How did the Jews end up stateless?
genecps 7 | 131
2 Jul 2012  #24
How did the Jews end up stateless?

Assyrians conquered the Kingdom of Jerusalem and took a few tribes as slaves, and send a bunch of people to work in other places.

Stalin promoting Jews is kind of news to me, Stalin was always distrustful of Jews. He send most Jews to the Far east and most of Jews who were the original Bolsheviks ended up getting assassinated or sent to gulags by him. By the end of his life Staling was paranoid and told everyone that Jewish doctors were trying to kill him. And now days, truth started coming out and many historians and modern forensic medics think that he actually did die from a drug routine that was designed to poison him (which I totally hope so). If there were Jews who hunted down Poles for one reason or another, please refrain from saying "Jews did it", it's equivalent to saying all of us were in on it. there are good Jews and there are bad Jews. No group is immune from bad people, but the NKVD Jews were a tiny minority from the Jewish populace.
OP pawian 153 | 8,369
2 Jul 2012  #25
Guys, thank you for wonderful participation. With some posts I agree, with others, I don`t.

However, I don`t have time as we are going on holidays very soon, probably tomorrow.

This is my last contribution from the series writers before departure:

Antoni Słonimski (15 November 1895 - 4 July 1976) was a Polish poet, journalist, playwright and prose writer, president of the Union of Polish Writers in 1956-1959 during the Polish October, known for his devotion to social justice.

Słonimski was the grandson of Rabbi Hayyim Selig Slonimski, the founder of the first Hebrew weekly ha-Tsefirah in Poland. His father, an ophthalmologist, converted to Christianity when he married a Catholic woman. Słonimski was born in Warsaw and baptized and raised as a Christian.[1] Słonimski studied at the Academy of Fine Arts in Warsaw. In 1919 he co-founded the Skamander group of experimental poets with Julian Tuwim and Jarosław Iwaszkiewicz. In 1924 he travelled to Palestine and Brasil and in 1932 to the Soviet Union.


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Roman Brandstaetter

Artur Sandauer
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artur_Sandauer

He wrote an interesting book about Polish writers of Jewish decent in 20 century Poland
samorzad.mish.uw.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Artur-Sandauer-O-sytuacji-pisarza-polskiego-pochodzenia-%C5%BCydowskiego-w-XX-wieku.pdf
TBC
genecps 7 | 131
2 Jul 2012  #26
yep, and also many capitalists were jews (think bankers and rothschild, warburg..) and also many scientists and Nobel Prize winners.. Maybe it's just that the average Jew is more clever than the average non Jew??

My family were wealthy ranchers, and had to flee their home town of Krasno Polje in Belarus to avoid being killed by the Bolsheviks, so I highly doubt we were pro communism.

The reason you can find us at the top of both sides of the conflict is simple:

1. Education in our culture tops the list!
2. We are not "drinking" people (alcohol), once a week is ok to have drinks with your friends, but not Mon-Fri after work.
3. After work we are usually: reading, taking classes, working more, trying to start a small biz, etc. We are busy boddies.
4. We are very competitive. You you think you can do something well, I will try to do it better!
5. Cheating, spousal abuse, divorces, are at much lower rates, which gives us a better atmosphere to persue activities that lead to success.
6. A religious phylosopy that has cultivated and improved on the above. (Every household in North Korea has a Talmud, it is part of state mandated education now, that's how much they respect our philosophy of success).

I will not apologize for any of the above! I will always be competitive! I will teach my kids to work harder, study more, and be more competitive then the next guy!
rybnik 18 | 1,462
2 Jul 2012  #27
I will teach my kids to work harder, study more, and be more competitive then the next guy!

Where I live the Indians (asians), Chines and Koreans have emulated this philosophy and are thriving as a result (even giving the Jews a run for their money :)
genecps 7 | 131
2 Jul 2012  #28
Mazel Tov!!!

More power to them!

I respect anyone who works hard and respects education!
Ironside 47 | 9,572
3 Jul 2012  #29
Just as Polish 'soldiers' from organisations such as NSZ hunted down Jews and murdered them.

stop lying !
Hipis - | 227
3 Jul 2012  #30
Maybe if he had written Communists of Jewish ethnicity who were enemies of Poland his comment would have had some validity but in the interests of not wishing to miss out on an opportunity to smear Poles and label us as anti Semites he misses out some vital information :)


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