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What do Poles owe to Jews?


jon357 63 | 15,378
3 Jul 2012 #61
you mean that leftist BS ?

Interesting. History doesn't fit your 'political' idea, so you try to rubbish it. You wouldn't be the first to try that sort of thing which makes it all the more unfortunate that you still think a 'tactic' like that might work...
Ironside 49 | 10,680
3 Jul 2012 #62
Tactic is a leftists thingy as they do rewrite history to their liking. I'm immune to such tactics and if you are not interested in the truth then I guess it is the time to change the subject.
Harry
3 Jul 2012 #63
Tactic is a leftists thingy as they do rewrite history to their liking.

Sadly for you, history has very much got it right when it comes to things such as the NSZ murdering suvivors of the Warsaw ghetto uprising. That history has already been written about many times and you'll have to work hard to rewrite it.

As I believe has been said before, one of the things which Poles most certainly owe Jews is to be truthful about the sins committed by some Poles on Jews during WWII (just as Jews owe to Poles to be truthful about the help given by some Poles to Jews during WWII).
Ironside 49 | 10,680
3 Jul 2012 #64
Sadly for you, history has very much got it right when it comes to things such as the NSZ murdering suvivors of the Warsaw ghetto uprising. That history has already been written about many times and you'll have to work hard to rewrite it.

Sadly for you history is just one of the means to achieve your aims. And to be honest I don't give a shyte about some obscure shiye you are digging out. Frankly because I'm tied of your lies and even if that were true I that doesn't change a thing. (I suspect that it is humbug as almost every-time you post something about Jews and WWII)

Poles own to Jews - nothing ! There is plenty of examples when Jews were committing crimes and murders against Poles during and after WWII.
Yes some,so what ?We are even!
NSZ policy was to defend Polish population and I doubt very much that they killed anybody who was a harmless refugee. It sound as commie propaganda as any survivors of the Ghetto desperate defense against liquidation of the Ghetto who evaded Germans, would have been taken care of by the Polish underground. The only people who would want to avoid that would be semi-criminal Jewish organizations who pried on people in the Ghetto, and after escape trying to do the some on Polish population.

enough for today.
Harry
3 Jul 2012 #65
NSZ policy was to defend Polish population and I doubt very much that they killed anybody who was a harmless refugee.

Doubt all you want: the facts have been recorded and preserved for future generations.

All your denials do is provide ammunition for the Jewish idiots who spread the lie that all Poles are anti-semitic.
jon357 63 | 15,378
3 Jul 2012 #66
Tactic is a leftists thingy as they do rewrite history to their liking. I'm immune to such tactics and if you are not interested in the truth then I guess it is the time to change the subject.

That isn't an answer. Just a weak attempt at obfuscation.
[quote=IronsideI doubt very much that they killed anybody who was a harmless refugee[/quote]
Read Piotrowski, read about Worczyn, read eyewitness accounts from people who have no reason to say anything other than what they saw.
Ironside 49 | 10,680
3 Jul 2012 #67
Read Piotrowski, read about Worczyn, read eyewitness accounts from people who have no reason to say anything other than what they saw.

What does it prove if it the truth ? Nothing about NZS as whole or their policy, just some people (possibly but not likely ), so what ?

For every murder of Jew by a Pole I can dig out Pole murdered by a Jew ? Isn't all that dividing of Polish citizens into groups racist in itself ?
jon357 63 | 15,378
3 Jul 2012 #68
What does it prove if it the truth ? Nothing about NZS as whole or their policy, just some people (possibly but not likely ), so what ?

It proves your earlier statements were false. Either deliberate lies of just ignorance.

For every murder of Jew by a Pole I can dig out Pole murdered by a Jew ? Isn't all that dividing of Polish citizens into groups racist in itself ?

Personally I wouldn't divide them - however you may like to look at the title of the thread you have so prolifically posted in and study carefully some of your comments here and elsewhere.

Spectacular backtracking really. Why not just wring your hands and say "yes, well....".
Ironside 49 | 10,680
3 Jul 2012 #69
t proves your earlier statements were false. Either deliberate lies of just ignorance.

I'm not familiar with those alleged fact that Harry posted. I just cannot be bother to check it - thats all!
As for your Wolczyn example I have check it initially and it looks like BS - no offense!
I will check in a free time.
Just general timbre of what Harry post here about Jews in Poland during WWII is repulsive ! I'm not going to apologize for Polish criminals and I do not expect Jews to apologize for their criminals.

I would say we are even. There are plenty of Jews who believe Poles are anti Semites and there are plenty of Poles who believe that Jews are anti-Polish.

Some of the feeling is justified on both sides but mostly it is a prejudice fueled by the other side attitude.
Harry is only adding fuel that the fire!
genecps 7 | 131
3 Jul 2012 #70
What some posters post and the way they do it, is more the matter for psychological investigation and diagnosis than for anything else.

I figured that much. Some people just need to ***** and whine for a lack of better things to do.
Hipis - | 227
3 Jul 2012 #71
Anyone who is on Facebook can have a read at this facebook.com/groups/245613122187443/doc/268435676571854/
Nickidewbear 23 | 583
3 Jul 2012 #72
Anyone who is on Facebook can have a read at this

That guy's an Anti Semite.
Hipis - | 227
3 Jul 2012 #73
Of course he is. Everyone knows that Jews are totally incapable of killing anyone and wouldn't dream of harming their neighbours.
Nickidewbear 23 | 583
3 Jul 2012 #74
I didn't say that. But Jews in general aren't what that guy claimed.
Hipis - | 227
3 Jul 2012 #75
He doesn't claim anything. He has compiled, from various sources, witness statements from people who witnessed Jewish people acting "rather badly" towards their Polish neighbours. I posted that in the interests of balance as Harry accused me of anti Semitism and he's always making statements about how badly Poles behaved towards Jews during WW2. Well, it takes two totango guys and there plenty more where that came from.

What some people can't seem to get their heads round that war brings out the good and bad in people - on all sides. Never have I claimed that Poles were perfect or total angels during WW2 but whenever I have defended my people against slurs and downright lies I get called an anti Semite and a liar. Well there was plenty of bad sh!t going on amongst the Jews during WW2 as well, you weren't the angels so many of you would have the world believe. You want to sling mud, fine, we can sling it every bit as much as you guys can. Personally I'd rather focus on the positives that pawian was trying to illustrate but there's always those who want to start finger pointing and playing the blame game. Well, if that's the way things are going to be I have a whole heap of ammo to play with so bring it on.
Nickidewbear 23 | 583
3 Jul 2012 #76
You say all that, but it was relatively few Jews (mainly kapos and understandably-frustrated Jews), if any; and the Jews were the main victims of the Holocaust.
Hipis - | 227
3 Jul 2012 #77
Ah, now we get on to the semantics of numbers. I disagree, it was quite a significant number. Personally I think it was Polish citizens who were the main victims, I don't recognise religion so we'll have to dicuss numbers according to nationality.
Nickidewbear 23 | 583
3 Jul 2012 #78
The Jews were targeted as an ethnic group.
Hipis - | 227
3 Jul 2012 #79
So were Poles

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Forgive me Pawian for your thread going slightly awry. I was thinking maybe a better thread title might have been What does Poland owe to Jews. You give some fine examples of notable Polish Jews who have contributed much in enhancing the reputation of our country, I am sure there are many more, and they should be honoured every bit as much as we honour the likes of Chopin, Sienkiewicz, Mickiewicz et al
Nickidewbear 23 | 583
3 Jul 2012 #80
So were Poles

I didn't say that they weren't.
genecps 7 | 131
3 Jul 2012 #81
Of course he is. Everyone knows that Jews are totally incapable of killing anyone and wouldn't dream of harming their neighbours.

Speak for yourself! I think homicidal tendencies run in my family. ;o)
Ironside 49 | 10,680
3 Jul 2012 #82
I didn't say that they weren't.

Until 1941 Poles were a main target for the Nazis. \Only later Hitler started extermination of Jews,
delphiandomine 85 | 18,262
3 Jul 2012 #83
Until 1941 it was Poles who were targeted by the Nazis. \Only later Hitler started extermination of Jews,

I'd just like to quote this...
peterweg 37 | 2,321
4 Jul 2012 #84
Until 1941 Poles were a main target for the Nazis

The Communists deported a large portion of the Polish population long before the Soviet Union was invaded.Pretty hard to be guilty of helping the nazi's when you are incarcerated in Archangle.
Harry
4 Jul 2012 #85
He doesn't claim anything.

Really? So statement such as:

The Jewish population was mainly from Russia

the Jews were like hungry dogs in front of a butcher shop, and now the shop door was open.

The Jews then played the role of a "fifth column."

are to you statements of fact? They are not anti-semitic claims?

That you even dare come here and post such utter bollocks shows you for exactly what you are.
Hipis - | 227
4 Jul 2012 #86
He doesn't claim anything. He has compiled, from various sources, witness statements from people who witnessed Jewish people acting "rather badly" towards their Polish neighbours. I posted that in the interests of balance as Harry accused me of anti Semitism and he's always making statements about how badly Poles behaved towards Jews during WW2. Well, it takes two totango guys and there plenty more where that came from.

Harry, as you are totally incapable of reading and when you do you tend to read just what suits your own point of view I quote myself just for your benefit.
Harry
4 Jul 2012 #87
Harry, as you are totally incapable of reading

Am I really? Perhaps you could explain who made the following claims:
"The Jewish population was mainly from Russia";
"the Jews were like hungry dogs in front of a butcher shop, and now the shop door was open.";
"The Jews then played the role of a "fifth column." "?

Was it:
a) the author of the diatribe you found so enjoyable; or
b) somebody else?

It was very clearly the author of that diatribe, so when you stated "He doesn't claim anything.", you were actually being very economical with the truth.

But it's hardly surprising to see you claiming that a laughable text is true, given that it presents the Jews in the worst possible light.
peterweg 37 | 2,321
4 Jul 2012 #88
But it's hardly surprising to see you claiming that a laughable text is true, given that it presents the Jews in the worst possible light.

Harry, how is that possible?

Russia Invaded Poland in 17th September 1939.
Almost immediately, over a million were deported to Siberia death camps where two thirds died in two years.
Secular Jews were deeply involved in the Russia Communist revolution, Commissars were very often ethnically Jewish

Hence, atheist, russian Communist 'Jews' committed Genocide against the Poles.

Your response has been
Claim that Communism was a political belief.
That killing Jews because of this 'political belief' was Nazism
That the Hammer and Sickle is 'harmless'
That the Russia death camps were ..not death camps.

Tell me how all this is funny.

Try and tell me its not true.
Hipis - | 227
4 Jul 2012 #89
But it's hardly surprising to see you claiming that a laughable text is true, given that it presents the Jews in the worst possible light.

And how do you portray Poles? Here are a few examples:

From this thread

Just as Polish 'soldiers' from organisations such as NSZ hunted down Jews and murdered them.

From Jan 26 2010

Only a complete moron would fail to agree that Poland as a nation did fail its Jewish citizens between 1945 and 1989.

From Feb 19 2010

As any mohair beret wearing Radio Maryja listener will tell you: You have gas in your house?! Wicked child!!! Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more Jews!

From June 10 2009 Thread title started by Harry "Why are all Polish couriers/postmen either morons or thieves?"

A quote from another member May 5 2009

I would love to read something genuinely positive about Poland from you, please?

&

I mean my comments to be made about the bigger more general topic. Titled "Harry only sees bad things in Poland".

See, nothing ever changes with you, does it Harry?

Don't quote from other threads.
Harry
4 Jul 2012 #90
And how do you portray Poles?

Exactly, that is how I portray some Poles: because that is how some Poles were. Lie about it all you want.


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