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Amb. W. Sobków's response to G. Coren's "Today I am make first column in Polski"


crochetbitch88 2 | 83
5 Feb 2013  #1
Ambassador Witold Sobków responded to Giles Coren's atricle "Today I am make first column in Polski' which was published by "The Times" on 2nd Feb

From time to time, and recently in British media, we find the image of Poles distorted or presented in a negative, if not malicious, way. It used to be the domain of British tabloids. Unfortunately, when it turned out that Polish is the second most widely spoken language in England and Wales, this quality newspaper - by means of Giles Coren's article (...) has joined the choir of fear and prejudice.

The rest can be read here london.mfa.gov.pl/en/news/ambassador_witold_sobkow_s_letter_in_the_times;jsessionid=0C8B42F39A4FB77803A97E4092D21116.cmsap2p
Ironside 48 | 9,704
5 Feb 2013  #2
Oh arrogant bigot has spoken giving a clear example of hate, intolerance and primitive prejudice.
His hate rhetoric bringing to mind hate speeches against Jews made by Goebbels not only will not reduce level of anti-Semitics in the UK on seeing how an allegedly tolerant and educated Jew dropped his disguise and has showed his real face.
zetigrek
5 Feb 2013  #3
Here is an interview with him which he gave a Polish magazin 3 years ago:
gazetapraca.pl/gazetapraca/1,67738,8774489,Giles_Coren___Nie_ta ki_diabel_straszny__jak_go_maluja.html
Ironside 48 | 9,704
5 Feb 2013  #4
Here is an onterview with him which he gave a Polish magazin 3 years ago:

He can say whatever he likes. He has written not for the fist time some nonsense about Poles. He should lecture Hate on uni
zetigrek
5 Feb 2013  #5
He can say whatever he likes. He has written not for the fist time some nonsense about Poles.

I think you misunderstood me.
Ironside 48 | 9,704
5 Feb 2013  #6
Probably. What do you have in mind?
poland_
6 Feb 2013  #7
Witold Sobków responded to Giles Coren's article Today

To blame a whole nation for atrocities is a medieval concept.

Coren has authored articles on the same subject before, he is a food critic and would be wise to stick to his chosen expertise, unless of course he is attempting to run for a Labour constituency. Here is one of his pieces from 2008

guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/04/poland.germany
rybnik 18 | 1,462
6 Feb 2013  #8
when will all this Jew v Pole end????
will it ever end???
jasondmzk
6 Feb 2013  #9
I hereby decree the matter closed, and all parties have reached consensus ad idem. I mark this occasion in Rybnik's name, and dedicate to his peace of mind. Happy?
zetigrek
6 Feb 2013  #10
when will all this Jew v Pole end????

Ask that question Mr Coren.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
6 Feb 2013  #11
[************************* Coren's[/quote]

This xenophobic psych again ?

[************************** I am make first column in Polski' which was published by "The Times" on 2nd Feb[/quote]

What the hell ? I tried to read it but it sounds like some monkey noise, has this filthy racist suffered a brain damage recently ?
ismellnonsense - | 118
6 Feb 2013  #12
will it ever end???

nope
not as long as the usual suspects keep on denying that they ever did bad
on both sides
ifor bach 11 | 152
6 Feb 2013  #13
Are posters setting out to prove Poles to be the world's thinnest-skinned nationality?

Had a Polish newspaper published a similar piece about English people no-one in the U.K. would either know or care.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
6 Feb 2013  #14
does anyone really take Giles Coren that seriously?
weren't Coren's grandparents from Poland?

OK I read the 'article' and Coren is an arsepiece, it is not even witty.
Alan Coren would be turning in his grave.
jasondmzk
6 Feb 2013  #15
weren't Coren's grandparents from Poland?

That was the point of his piece in its ENTIRETY. That today's Poles abroad have the freedom to return to Poland, while his own grandfather, ousted in the '40s, did not. He can be a surly writer, and when cornered he certainly digs in his heels; but his television show wasn't half bad. And not for nothing, though he seemed to at times entirely antagonistic, he raised a few worthwhile points in the columns. He's a British Jew of Polish descent, and a media darling, of course he's going to be outrageous, given the chance.
goofy_the_dog
6 Feb 2013  #16
" Polish Anti Semitism" Buahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahaahahhahaghghghhghhhh

hold me people please!!

its like Stuhr's comment: about the little polish chiuldren strapped on the german shields... but he said other way around...
JUst ignore it people, the western lobby once again tries to frame poles into all kind of stuff... if the trend continues our children will be taught that WW2 has been started by Poles and finished by peceful Hitler and Stalin that never killed anybody on his life...

I would like toi watch a movie about Jews in the Communist system in Poland, people like Szechter and them lot.. but of course it will never happen, saddly..

Cheers

Ps: Dont get too offended by that article, as somebody before said cleverly said, that thatguy is an idiot, writing articles just for and outrage... like a stupid celeb, as long as people talk about them they are famous, so they will do anything to saty famous..

If he is an anti- Polonist then fine, but I would like to hear about an article writtten in Poland about " english fools coming to our country and not be able to speak in our language..."
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
6 Feb 2013  #17
He's a British Jew of Polish descent

His major connection with Poland and Poles is that he's Polonophobic.
zetigrek
6 Feb 2013  #18
ousted in the '40s, did not

No, ousted in 1903. And he doesn't actually know why they emigirated to Great Britain, he just thinks it must have been Polish antisemitism.
In the interview in Polish, I've linked previously, he says more less something like this:

I don't know exact details why my great grandparents emigrated to Great Britain - maybe to look for a better job, but I don't think so. It doesn't seem so from the history of Polish Jews.

weren't Coren's grandparents from Poland?

not grandparents. I believe his great granparents or even further.
jasondmzk
6 Feb 2013  #19
He's a rabble-rouser. Rousing rabble is what he does. Ever read that leaked memo he sent to his editors after they cut ONE WORD out of his column? He's a testy guy. He sure caught 18 flavors of Hell for these Polish columns, didn't he? I'd like to garner a complaint from the Polish Ambassador for something I've written. That said, his show with the woman, what is it "Supersizers Go..." has had some worthwhile bits. I particularly enjoyed the 80's themed episode. Let's treat him as we should all artists, take from it what we like, and discard the rest, yeah? He's not influential, and he's not a hero to many. You've certainly a right to get riled, but I think that only serves his purpose for him, does it not?
zetigrek
6 Feb 2013  #20
Had a Polish newspaper published a similar piece about English people no-one in the U.K. would either know or care.

Poland is not influencial country, so no one would care what Poles think or what Polish media writes. I am sure however if a Polish columnist of a big-circulation British newspaper wrote something against Britsh people they would be outraged as well.

You've certainly a right to get riled, but I think that only serves his purpose for him, does it not?

That's true.
ifor bach 11 | 152
6 Feb 2013  #21
Does it not disturb you that some newspaper columnist in the UK can cause outrage in Poland, whereas the British public has no interest whatsoever in the opinions of the Polish media?

There aren't any Polish columnists of British newspapers to my knowledge. Even if there were, I don't suppose anyone would care that much what they said.

You'll find there is a lot of abuse of the United Kingdom in the World's media. The British media simply shrugs its shoulders. The British people, by and large, don't really care what foreigners think of them.

Giles Coren is just one person. He isn't 'the voice of England'. What he writes is his opinion, rather than some kind of British opinion. His take on Poland and Poles is a Jewish rather than British one.

You'll find there is a lot of criticism of the UK in Israel, which goes unnoticed in Britain.

Tbh the Polish response to Giles Coren shows us a great deal about the Polish psyche. It shows Poles to be insecure, hypersensitive to criticism and easy to poke fun of. If there is no truth whatsoever in Giles Coren's stereotyping, than why should his column cause such howls of anguish in Poland?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
6 Feb 2013  #22
If there is no truth in Giles Coren's stereotyping, than why should his column cause such howls of anguish in Poland?

of course there's some truth in what he says, spot on Iforbach.
zetigrek
6 Feb 2013  #23
I haven't read the recent column because I have no access to it. Could you then elaborate on your thought?

The British media simply shrugs its shoulders.

That's just what you say. In fact if any Pole dared to say something wrong on Britain there would be a hysterical reaction: "get the f out of Britain, you little ungrateful %^$^$%$!" - tested many times on this forum.

He isn't 'the voice of England'

Why do you think any of us take him as the voice of England?

If there is no truth whatsoever in Giles Coren's stereotyping, than why should his column cause such howls of anguish in Poland?

Are you going to heat up the discussion? Why have you given the above dig?
ismellnonsense - | 118
6 Feb 2013  #24
His major connection with Poland and Poles is that he's Polonophobic.

such is the usual claim of paranoid right wingers

most of us know that polonophobia is a mental condition
found only in the mind

and in dull trolls
Ironside 48 | 9,704
6 Feb 2013  #25
If there is no truth whatsoever in Giles Coren's stereotyping, than why should his column cause such howls of anguish in Poland?

Well if every-time you would have walked pass a dude he would say ass-hole. I'm sure that you wouldn't wait 777 times to react.

I sure you would have had a great time proving that there is no true in you being an ass-hole.

and in dull trolls

Are you talking about yourself delph?
You must shake off your dullness

. Let's treat him as we should all artists, take from it what we like, and discard the rest, yeah?

I'm sure you would be so lenient if instead of Poles, somebody would put Jews.
ifor bach 11 | 152
6 Feb 2013  #26
I haven't read the recent column because I have no access to it. Could you then elaborate on your thought?

You can read it all here:

bieganski-the-blog.blogspot.com/2013/02/giles-coren-today-i-am-ma ke-first.html

ifor bach:
The British media simply shrugs its shoulders.

That's just what you say. In fact if any Pole dared to say something wrong on Britain there would be a hysterical reaction: "get the f out of Britain, you little ungrateful %^$^$%$!" - tested many times on this forum.

That's just this forum, read by the 0.01% of the British public who have an interest in what Poles think. For sure, if some newspaper columnist wanted to poke fun at English people in a Polish newspaper, there is almost no possibility that the British ambassador would write a strongly worded rebuttal.

No-one would see it as being all that important.

ifor bach:
He isn't 'the voice of England'

Why do you think any of us take him as the voice of England?

I think you (meaning a number of Polish people) do. That's why it bothers you. It's just one man (presumably because of his Jewish ancestry) who has a grudge against Poland. I don't believe 'the Times' are necessarily endorsing his opinion, they are merely allowing Coren freedom of speech.

ifor bach:
If there is no truth whatsoever in Giles Coren's stereotyping, than why should his column cause such howls of anguish in Poland?

Are you going to heat up the discussion? Why have you given the above dig?

I've decided not to 'flame'. I simply don't see the point. I'm just writing my own honest opinion, without making any deliberate attempt to offend anyone.

Presumably, accusations of anti-semitism hurt because there is some truth in them. If there was no truth at all in them, then you wouldn't care about it. If someone were to write, for example, that Poles were responsible for exterminating American Indians the accusation would simply be ridiculous, and therefore not worth responding to.

If you wanted me to be entirely honest, I'd say that Poland doesn't yet have the maturity to examine its history with objectivity and maturity.
Ironside 48 | 9,704
6 Feb 2013  #27
Presumably, accusations of anti-semitism hurt because there is some truth in them.

you are an ass-hole and and an idiot sir.
ifor bach 11 | 152
6 Feb 2013  #28
You are both inarticulate and in denial.
Ironside 48 | 9,704
6 Feb 2013  #29
I'm sure I'm all that but you sir are an idiot and an ass-hole if articulate.

By the way many Jews in Poland choose to speak only their own langude and their knowledge of the Polish langude skills were very poor. Even after eight generations they have been speaking Polish with a foreign accent and a poor grammar.

His article is a dig at proverbial Johnny foreigner in the UK substituted it seems at the present by Poles.Many Britons would like that or laugh at that without a second thought.

However that is not the crux of the matter. In this case the crux of the matter is the author of the article and his attitude to Poles.

His Jewishness is a poor and insufficient ground for his standing. That is clear for anybody who know a squat about Poles and Jews in Poland's history.

Seems to me that nowadays somebody Jewishness become a license to practice bigotry and double standards with impunity without being branded as such.
ifor bach 11 | 152
6 Feb 2013  #30
Tbh, you appear to be exactly the type of Pole Giles Coren was lampooning.


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