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Terrible past for the Jews in Poland?



wolf 1 | 4    
6 Mar 2012  #1

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I'm living in Poland for many years, I have never heard good words toward Jews by Poles unless very very rarely. Rather I have heard repeatedly phrases of hatred from most of Poles despising the Jews and detest them, when I ask them. Why you so hate Jews? Some says that Poland is not their homeland, and some says the Jews completely were established hegemony over everything in the country (simply jealousy!). Indeed the Poles always blame Jews on their problems

danielpipes.org/comments/175148

Do you agree ?


gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #2

Jews in many instances cooperated among themselves to get rid or any existing or emerging gentile competition in many many fields of business and including the largest businesses - this has been seen by Poles as unfair competition simple as that - and you go on to dismiss it by saying jealousy (ever heard of a balanced perspective?)

btw I can tell you one thing - if you don't like it here just buzz off to where it's better - why endure such a heavy burden?

there have been billions of dollars extracted from this country after 1989 and some Jewish circles have been heavily involved (if you treat people like cattle don't be surprised that they don't like you)
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,455    
6 Mar 2012  #3

and that is a good enough reason to kill people? Hm.....I am starting to worry about your moral compass G.

btw I can tell you one thing - if you don't like it here just buzz off to where it's better - why endure such a heavy burden?

he never said he didn't. He just doesn't wear rosy glasses.

there have been billions of dollars extracted from this country after 1989 and some Jewish circles have been heavily involved (if you treat people like cattle don't be surprised that they don't like you)

please provide the source to your claim.
jasondmzk    
6 Mar 2012  #4

if you don't like it here just buzz off to where it's better

The coward's answer. And the only thing you wrote that I think you might actually believe.
gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #5

please provide the source to your claim.

please provide a source contradicting my claim :) (I have reasons enough to believe what I have written - it doesn't bother me if you don't believe it)

and that is a good enough reason to kill people? Hm.....I am starting to worry about your moral compass G.

well I am a known Nazi scum here, haven't you noticed - before you comment on anything read what you want to comment on through and really try to make sure what the author wanted to say or even what s/he actually said (ignore what I just said if you're on a mission to prove some people are inherently wrong)

The coward's answer. And the only thing you wrote that I think you might actually believe.

what am I supposed to write - has Poland seen plenty of charity from Jews? don't think so - should I be writing about ingenuity of Jewish people when this ingenuity often cost Poland and not given her any benefits
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,455    
6 Mar 2012  #6

please provide the source contradicting my claim :) (I have reasons enough to believe what I have written - it doesn't bother me if you don't believe it)

then you are only trolling. It is good to have believes in you case, but that doesn't change facts about what happened to Jews in Poland.

well I am a known Nazi scum here, haven't you niticed - before you comment on anything read what you want to comment on through and really try to make sure what the author wanted to say or even what s/he actually said (ignore what I just said if you're on a mission to prove some poeple are inherently wrong)

as I said. Your moral compass is way off. Your general mumbling does not make anything clear.
gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #7

as I said. Your moral compass is way off. Your general mumbling does not make anything clear.

no it's your own prejudice against me that blinds you - my comment about unfair competition on the part of Jews against Poles in the pre-war Poland was only addressed to the claim Poles just simply envied Jews their wealth (aka jealousy) - my comment has nothing to do with what happened during or after the war - so stick to the debate or you just don't make sense
Grzegorz_ 52 | 6,196    
6 Mar 2012  #8

Do you agre ?

Either dude has some serious mental issues or more probably it is yet another example of pathetic trolling. "Polish anti-semitism" is favorite subject of many, some Jews of course as it makes them look even more "victimized", many Gerries as it make them look "less bad" and so on. Now we will probably see 500 post long discussion with people claiming that Poles are anti-semitic and others saying it isn't so... Do we really have to do it again and again ? Let's say Poles are anti-semitic... And ? If we would list countries by their "anti-semitism", which rank would Poland get ? What about Ukrainian anti-semitism ? Do you think it's stronger than Polish, the same, or smaller ? Please comment.
pip 11 | 1,662    
6 Mar 2012  #9

I think you are quite wrong. And it is not a simple answer. I also think that being bombarded with media bias doesn't help the situation. Of course there are those that dislike Jews- it is not a Polish phenom.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,455    
6 Mar 2012  #10

no it's your own prejudice against me that blinds you

are you paranoid? I have never met you.

my comment has nothing to do with what happened during or after the war - so stick to the debate or you just don't make sense

what does your comment have to do with? I am lost. Most of them are glupio - madre comments. That is what I think.
gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #11

are you paranoid? I have never met you.

heh - like a human being cannot be prejudiced to people s/he is only able to read - yes, I am well prejudiced against you - you don't make a good partner for a debate because you are not open to accept some possibilities - this is my prejudice against you

what does your comment have to do with? I am lost.

yes - this is exactly what you are: lost - you cannot understand a simple debate and argument even if it's presented right before your face

and some says the Jews completely were established hegemony over everything in the country (simply jealousy!).

someone states something like this (if you don't know they are reffering to the past then I inform you they did) - and I say it wasn't just plain simple jealousy of better-off people - Jews in pre-war Poland cooperated among themselves to oust non-Jewish competition - Poles were aware that the competition was not fair - this is my statement - I don't write of any further implications of these two things
jasondmzk    
6 Mar 2012  #12

Jews in many instances cooperated among themselves to get rid or any existing or emerging gentile competition in many many fields of business and including the largest businesses

C'mon, man. Anybody with something in common with anybody else has stuck together, for business and pleasure, for safety and convenience, since the beginning of time. There's business groups in every culture, some with religious overtones, like the Masons; and others secular, like the Elk's Lodge. There's literally thousands of these organizations, and they all work to promote business for their members in the respective fields. The Jews are no different. With people ostracizing them, if not outright persecuting them, what choice did they have but to band together, and watch each other's backs? If you hunt people like dogs, then they are going to form a pack, or die alone.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,669    
6 Mar 2012  #13

It's true. People are just cliquey. Jews and Poles are just another example of cliquey people. Welcome to reality!
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,455    
6 Mar 2012  #14

heh - like a human being cannot be prejudiced to people s/he is only able to read - yes, I am well prejudiced against you - you don't make a good partner for a debate because you are not open to accept some possibilities - this is my prejudice against you

well, so you are prejudiced, not me then. That is OK with me. At least it is in the open now, but that is really your problem.

What I find confusing is your way of expressing yourself.

yes - this is exactly what you are: lost - you cannot understand a simple debate and argument even if it's presented right before your face

whatever makes you happy G.
gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #15

The Jews are no different. With people ostracizing them, if not outright persecuting them, what choice did they have but to band together, and watch each other's backs? If you hunt people like dogs, then they are going to form a pack, or die alone.

Jews were not hunted like dogs in Poland - they were disliked by many, sure - I read that if you read through criminalistic data from the interbellum period the offences against Jews were no higher than any other offences - and I think Jews did act out their main religious belief that they were the chosen nation

It's true. People are just cliquey. Jews and Poles are just another example of cliquey people. Welcome to reality!

yeah, sure - give me the examples of Polish cliques that run things in America on whatever level
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,455    
6 Mar 2012  #16

someone states something like this (if you don't know they are reffering to the past then I inform you they did) - and I say it wasn't just plain simple jealousy of better-off people - Jews in pre-war Poland cooperated among themselves to oust non-Jewish competition - Poles were aware that the competition was not fair - this is my statement - I don't write of any further implications of these two things

OK. Jews were just better in business then Poles because often times they had to support themselves through centuries of migration by doing business. There was NO competition. Jews were better businessmen and often still are. I can say it because I have worked with both and Jews are probably twice as hardworking as Poles. Fact. So to say the least the envy was often unfounded.

C'mon, man. Anybody with something in common with anybody else has stuck together, for business and pleasure, for safety and convenience, since the beginning of time. There's business groups in every culture, some with religious overtones, like the Masons; and others secular, like the Elk's Lodge. There's literally thousands of these organizations, and they all work to promote business for their members in the respective fields. The Jews are no different. With people ostracizing them, if not outright persecuting them, what choice did they have but to band together, and watch each other's backs?

true. Every nationality behaves like that. See Scots, Irish, etc and many other groups eg. political groups in Poland at the moment.
gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #17

OK. Jews were just better in business then Poles because often times they had to support themselves through centuries of migration by doing business. There was NO competition. Jews were better businessmen and often still are. I can say it because I have worked with both and Jews are probably twice as hardworking as Poles. Fact. So to say the least the envy was often unfounded.

then you just contradict the perceptions of pre-war Poles for the most part
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,455    
6 Mar 2012  #18

perception vs the truth. Perception of some Poles. I have relatives too who knew Jews during that time and obviously I must have been raised in a Jewish friendly home, because I have never heard anything negative about Jews. Can you explain that?
gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #19

perception vs the truth.

and you are the most suited person to state what were the realities in pre-war Poland - heh
jasondmzk    
6 Mar 2012  #20

if you read through criminalistic data from the interbellum period the offences against Jews were no higher than any other offences

"If you don't count the times Jews were being victimized, Jews were rarely victims."

I think Jews did act out their main religious belief that they were the chosen nation

I know you do. That's why you're wrong (And prejudiced to keep being wrong).
gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #21

I know you do. That's why you're wrong (And prejudiced to keep being wrong).

and I think you are sort of positively prejudiced

I don't know if you hear of this old townish Jewish custom of spitting on the first gentile they met in the morning (the spitting was allegedely typically from windows or doorways) - that was supposed to bring a Jew good luck for a whole day (I know this from my grandpa) - I don't say all Jews were doing this - it is enough when a significant group does (like 'Poles are thieves' stereotype in Germany) to give the whole group a bad rep
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,455    
6 Mar 2012  #22

and you are the most suited person to state what were the realities in pre-war Poland - heh

I have never said that I was, but I cannot believe that Jews were so bad and Poles were the angels. I know quite many Jews and there were nothing but great. My best profs at uni were Jews. I have come to contact with many Jews. I even took a course at uni about Jewish stereotypes in European literature, so yes, I can say that I spent some time to think the Polish anti- semitism through.

You, one the other hand present the same excuses for Poles being so negative towards the Jews. I have seen it written many times, like a mantra, repeated by many people- thankfully a minority. They repeat the same things and don't even make an effort to come up with something new. So it MUST be true. Even a lie repeated many times becomes the truths.

What I think about Jews is this: a perfect scapegoat for some groups.
gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #23

but I cannot believe that Jews were so bad and Poles were the angels

sure - it's very similar to what some Jews thought of Germans - they couldn't think such a civilized cultural nation can seriously consider wiping them out

and I never said Poles were angels
PlasticPole 7 | 2,669    
6 Mar 2012  #24

Okay, it's true Jews believe they are chosen by God but they are no worse about feeling superior than Christians or Muslims. All three religions share this egocentric realization and clash from time to time which is the case with inflated egos. This is when Christians should be like Jesus and forgive.
gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #25

to forgive and to point someone's wrongdoing are two different things - forgiveness should not stop you for calling things their right name
jasondmzk    
6 Mar 2012  #26

old townish Jewish custom of spitting on the first gentile they met in the morning (the spitting was allegedely typically from windows or doorways) - that was supposed to bring a Jew good luck for a whole day (I know this from my grandpa)

You wrote this. I'm not sure if you think you just imagined it, and that it stayed in your head, so I'm pasting it here to alert you. You actually wrote this. Come on. Aphro, Plasti, and I are doing are damnedest to have an intelligent debate with you, and then you go and get all "I heard Jews like to bathe in baby blood" on us. Have some respect, dude.
gumishu 11 | 4,547    
6 Mar 2012  #27

ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/adl-jews-should-not-spit-at-christians/
PlasticPole 7 | 2,669    
6 Mar 2012  #28

We must ask ourselves, "what would Jesus do?"

Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall becalled the children of God.

Matthew 5:9
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,455    
6 Mar 2012  #29

and I never said Poles were angels

are you going to comment on the rest of my reply or you are ignoring it on purpose?
MediaWatch 10 | 947    
6 Mar 2012  #30

WHO said anything about killing people? Why do you have to bring up these outrageous inflammatory notions?

The coward's answer. And the only thing you wrote that I think you might actually believe

So what is the answer? If a given group of people go to a country and accuse the people in that nation of being hostile towards them, WHY in the world would that group of people continue to CHOOSE to live in that nation? Only idiots would continue to CHOOSE to live in a nation that they feel treats them badly. Its common sense for the group of people feeling persecuted in a nation to move to another nation. No?




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