Terrible past for the Jews in Poland?

@Alien
Now wouldn't you agree that anti-khazakstanism is a bit larger then antiuzbekism? I mean Borat movies has had it's influence

Well, I can agree with you @Kashub1410.

@Alien
Thank you, it's such a travesty!

Are a jew or Nazi german - no! so stop talkng like an insane guy.
Need to be locked up in the loonhuse?
Let talk about communist crimes and their familes who try to hush it up and avoid the issue.
That would to closer to home, you nazi like commusnt scumback or from such a family and I as somone who want send the record stright.

Sure hiding beihned the Jews, WWII and equate patriotic Poles with nazies is nothing new. That what Soviet union and its minions were doing all the time and even now they are doing it in Ukrainie.

That what makes you a disgustiing silime. Shamless brazen liar. Simple!

@Cojestdocholery,
You're a fine one to talk about poor English!
I'm not the non-native in this scenario LOL

I'm not so sure. Even if you don't lie about it, it make you look even worse.

I see you need more education. That`s good coz other users will learn with you.

It seems we are collecting all Polish nationalists` and antisemites` crimes against Jews in this thread.

Kielce pogrom was discussed in another thread so I am not going to elaborate too much here, we can continue it there

https://polishforums.com/history/kielce-pogrom-new-findings-ipn-74986/

An interesting post from that thread:
Yes, you mentioned communist provocation. Yet, you still should explain why there were so many ordinary Polish antisemites who chased Jews all over the city and its vicinities. Where did they come from?

Shortly speaking, antisemitic Poles in Kielce went on a murdering spree, hunting Jews everywhere, even on trains leaving the city.

Tell me are you jerking off to all that suff you are posting. It is not healthy.
I have asked you a you provide evidecne and all you do is post some stuff and then claim 'nationlist' Poles did it. Where is your proof commie?

All you do you are spreading Soviet Union and stalin's propaganda. As an old commie traitor you must love it!

And you as a Nazi traitor must hate it! Yes, we know! That is why we are doing what we are doing - showing how nazionalistische antisemitic Poles who took the example of Nazi Germans gradually evolved into murdering beasts. You would be one of them if you lived at the time.

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But I'm sure, Cojestdocholery, quite sure.
You obviate the facts very skillfully, don't you.

Yes, especially with such falsely sick statements: we know it was done by Germans. That is why we mustn`t stop but need to educate him and his lot further.

Without local support, Hitler's Poland Campaign would have stood a chance!
Certain countries opposed Hitler at the grass roots level right from the beginning, despite a weak resistance movement, such as Bulgaria and Albania!

Sentence should read ".....would'NT have stood a chance!"

@Lyzko
Again another Jewish myth, if you knew how Polish society works you wouldn't write such ignorant statements!

Western societies are heavily indoctrinated, coherent and group minded. Polish society is far more individualistic and one isn't supposed to but in another peoples business (especially in their private homes) usually people pass each other with a high level of indifference (due to it not being their business).

Western societies are highly organised and sees itself as organised. Past ww1, Polish society was quite chaotic due to three post-partition types of organisations, multicultural groups (in three types of organisation, so every minority could be tripled in terms of organisational nightmares).

It's fairly easily to just throw out: "Local helped!" Without knowing crap!

what happened to the Jews of Bulgaria then Lyzko?

Why your English doesn't sound native?


What? Should be woudn't I guess but what is the rest of that gibberish?
As I told you the only reason Hilter attacked Poland was to pretect Jewish people. Even German occupation wasn't able to stop Poles form bulding and running Polish dead camps.

What?? Your are still barking back like a Nazi bytch dog??? You prove you need further education.

I already mentioned that the massacre of Jews by nationalist Poles in Jedwabne wasn`t a single act of violence in Eastern Poland.

Let`s see what happened in Goniądz.

The Nazis entered Goniądz on June 27, 1941. The provisional management of the city was left in the hands of the Polish city council formed a few days earlier. The Poles decided almost immediately to count the Jewish population. On July 4, after the arrival of several German officers, everyone was gathered in the market square. The city council identified 30 Jews accused of collaborating with the Red Army.

After being brutally beaten, they were sent to a makeshift prison in the basement of a local shop. The rest of the Jewish men were divided into "workers' brigades" and locked in a barn. They were to be a workforce for the local peasants. The "Bolsheviks", on the other hand, were murdered in a nearby Jewish cemetery.

According to the testimonies of witnesses, they were killed with metal rods and thrown half-alive into a previously dug hole. The next two weeks were spent on countless killings, looting and rapes. The Poles who committed those crimes acted without the supervision of German troops.

The actual pogrom took place immediately after the Nazis' decision to create a ghetto. On the night of July 21-22, 1941, the Polish civic guard murdered over 20 Jews, many more were tortured. Young Jewish women were raped. Several people were buried alive with the massacred bodies of the victims in the cemetery for choleric people, the so-called "choleric hill".

The cruelty of Poles is best evidenced by the fact that the local Judenrat turned to the Germans stationed in the nearby Osowiec for help and protection against the inhabitants of the city. The commander of the fort, Osowiec , sentenced to death 17 out of 70 accused Poles . Not for murdering Jews, but for stealing their property , which formally belonged to the Third Reich. The number of victims from Goniądz is estimated today at 217 people.

As what Cojest said. Germans as defenders of Jews. Can't belive it.

yes you did, as you are full of sh't. ten week later you still haven't provide any evidence for what you said.
it means you talk crap from your head craphole. That is all, that is what kind of human you are, a nasty piece of commie work.

Your barking doesn't really faze me, you are unfit even to shine my shoes. you are lowest of the low and you should know your place. What irks me that you don't as all brazen crminals.


Gondor?


Indeed if those were commie colaboraters what is a big deal? That was the right thing to do.
People responssible for dead of 100 or more people should be puished.

@Kaszub and Cojestdocholery,
Read Raul Hilberg's tome "The Destruction of European Jewry" and then get back to us with your findings!

Class dismissed:-)

@Lyzko
I rather read from you if you have read it, I am not that obsessed with topic regarding European Jews. More riled up about unreasonable slander and continued attacks from the left to downplay and demonize Narodowców, by also calling them nationalists! Lumping us with that swoloch in Western Europe! Yuukh!

@Kaszub,
Prof. Hilberg concurs with most historians that, while the Polish Resistance Movement (Ruch oporu) was one of the largest in Occupied Europe, there is no denying that at a grassroots level, Poland, among other nations, was indeed anti-Semitic and the history of pogroms throughout much of Eastern Europe, such as in the Baltic States and Ukraine (with the exception of Bulgaria and Albania) was a long and brutal one!

In former Whie Russia, currently Belarus, a certain Count Vyacheslav von Plehve, incited countless riots against local Jews.

Can;t you read? I told you what irks me, your brazen communist attitude and that you slander and lie so easily. Are you even human?


You don't know anything about Poland. Even less about reality during the war and you don't care.
You are in no position to lecture anyone as for your preaching you can shove it. I can tell you that because your arrogant attudtitue and your rude condeceding words tell me that you need same wake up call.

As for your poor English, is not bad but is not native. English is not your first language.

no, is very good ....is just jak native

Of course not! I am subhuman, as you called me. Der Untermensch.
When will you send me to that cozy facility for Untermenschen?? Where I can take a shower (real one, I hope, not gas chamber in fact) and slave work for the greatness of your Nazi Poland.

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@Lyzko
I can agree with his statement regarding antisemitism (there was a lot of conflict regarding Jews in Poland), problem is. The second anybody uses that word. One would automatically think in the categories of German, French or Russian type of antisemitism which simply is not true. The degree was severely different, state funded actions minimal (compared to mentioned states) and Poland's policy overall minuscule at best and heavily restricted due to foreign invasions and occupations.

Besides, Polish far right groups were more concerned about Soviets (regardless of nationality) and German state. usually when acts against Jews were found in Poland (which Pawian pointed out) it's in context with Soviet collaboration. (Which was treason and any Polish citizen risked punishment for it).

Difference is that Nazi Germans looked upon Jews purely biologically/racially and had an aim to exterminate Jews.

While Polish far right were more preoccupied with keeping Polish society in check as much as possible and keep on the struggle, weeding out anyone who would be against continued fighting (especially those collaborating with Nazi-Germany or Soviet Union as it would mean the death of Poland as we know it, which was unacceptable).

Polish peasants on the other hand were their own political entity, even had own partisan group and political organisation.

I advice you to remember that, Polish underground movement wasn't very coherent and most cared about saving their own skin regardless of nationality or feeling a strong bond towards one's own nationality.

Due to differences, the boundaries were different and lies were told within all groups at that time too

@pawian
#925
Generally speaking just: **** off

Finally, you're talking sense, Kaszub. All of my posts are carefully thought out and researched as concerns Poland's role during and after the Holocaust.

For every nameless, pro-Nazi accomplice, there was a Pilecki, a Wojtyla, a Socha, a Sendler or any number of other brave Polish men and women who gladly put their lives on the line as their Christian duty for freedom.

As regards the Polish Underground, I can only add that there are zdrajci, traitors, probably in every known area of human endeavor, people who will sabotage others in the pursuit of their own agenda.

Let there be no misunderstanding that from the partisans in other Occupied nations as well, e.g. Tito, these were virulent anti-Nazis, yet often hardly pro-Jewish!

@Lyzko

At last you are starting to see sense.
When you finally understand the Polish relationship with Polish Jews, please feel free to PM me again and we can continue our civilized discussions.

Freedom - the most overused, abused, and meaningless word demagogues love to toss around without saying whose "freedom" to do what.


I was raised Catholic. Nobody ever told me that I have a duty to put my life on the line for anyone not related to me. I do recall "don't be a sinner".

Then you were raised wrong, Rich, simple as that!

@Milo, thanks. I can see I'm finally breaking through.
Dzieki Bogu.

How many times did you put your life on the line for anyone in the last ten years? Or ever?

You couldn't even defend yourself if two scumbags broke into your house or apartment. If you can, tell me how.
Yes, I know, it will never happen and Auschwitz was a summer camp.