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Torq
28 Oct 2010 #91
Well said, KazakhAndProud, well said indeed :)

Foreigners, while being guests of other nations, should not criticise them (especially if they're
not fully integrated.) If I visit somebody's house, I will not criticise a dirty floor, or an ugly
picture on the wall. One has to be civil.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
28 Oct 2010 #92
Jeez, we're closer to the beginning of the WW3 than one is expecting ;-)
convex 20 | 3,978
28 Oct 2010 #93
Well said, KazakhAndProud, well said indeed :)

Indeed mighty Kazakh of the North!

Foreigners, while being guests of other nations, should not criticise them too much (especially
if their not fully integrated.) If I visit somebody's house, I will not criticise a dirty floor, or an
ugly picture on the wall. One has to be civil.

How about if you're staying at a hotel? Would you criticize it then?

Honestly, countries are not houses. And yes, if I stayed in a house, and there was animal droppings on the floor, I would make a comment. If the door wouldn't shut right because the trim wasn't fitted properly, I would suggest how to fix it. If the toilet was running because the float was sticking, hell, I might just fix that myself.

Jeez, we're closer to the beginning of the WW3 than one is expecting ;-)

Poles, Kazakhs, and Hungarians, three brothers...
guesswho 4 | 1,289
28 Oct 2010 #94
Poles, Kazakhs, and Hungarians, three brothers...

I wish all Americans would be like this to each other too...
MediaWatch 10 | 945
28 Oct 2010 #95
Con,

It all depends.

I guess it depends on all the comments an individual makes about Poland. I guess as a rough rule of thumb if somebody has BALANCED comments that show sincere thought but are critical I guess its OK. But if all somebody does it put a microscope on the flaws of a nation and the try to use that to DEFINE the nation, then I would think that constitutes a bias against that nation.

There is an old saying.

If you look for what's bad about an individual or a nation, YOU WILL FIND IT.

If you look for what's good about an individual or a nation, YOU WILL FIND IT.

I dare say if somebody is always looking for what's bad or wrong about a nation, they WILL FIND IT and they probably don't like the nation.

I guess it all comes down to what is reasonable.

If somebody says he went to a Polish restaurant and that the food is bad, I would think that's a fair criticism.

But if somebody says EVERY Polish restaurant has bad food, then I would think he's generalizing and generalizing is a symptom of someone who is biased.
convex 20 | 3,978
28 Oct 2010 #96
Dunno, I'd say that 90% of the people that you think bash Poland and Poles are either married to a Polka, or are set to be. With that in mind, do you still think they are bashing Poland and Poles, or is it more of a case of you complain about the bad, and don't mention the good as much? There has to be some reason that everyone lives here, and with, Poles :)

Maybe it's human nature to complain, and not point out every good thing that you come across?
f stop 25 | 2,513
28 Oct 2010 #97
Maybe it's human nature to complain, and not point out every good thing that you come across?

I think it's the nature of forums as well.
Most times we come here looking for answers to some problem, or to vent about some injustice, or share some disturbing news.
I don't think bragging about how great our day/life is going would go over as well. (Case in point: "sun is shinin', and a weather is sweet":)
MediaWatch 10 | 945
28 Oct 2010 #98
90%?????? I dunno about that.

OK so I posted that "negative" topic from Alex Storozynski about Polish Americans "complaining" about the reckless media use of the description "Polish death camps". Does that really make me a complainer? I thought that was a worthwile topic for no other reason that it came from a popular Polish American writer.

But, haven't you seen all the positive posts/messages of mine?

Like

-The great tennis player Caroline Wozniacki
-The Hot Slavic Women Tennis players like Wozniacki, Sharapova, Ivanovic
-The good Polish boxer Tomacz Adamek
etc

OK Con, I tell you what, maybe you have a bit of a point about guys like me. I'll try more to focus on more positive and uplifting things.

Another positive topic I had in mind that I didn't get around to posting was the current success of the tennis player Caroline Wozniacki. Not to get off topic here, but I will be posting that topic coming up :)
convex 20 | 3,978
28 Oct 2010 #99
90%?????? I dunno about that.

Almost certain of it :)

But, haven't you seen all the positive posts/messages of mine?

That's interesting that you looked at yourself based on that comment :) I was talking more about us "bashers", heh.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
29 Oct 2010 #100
I'll try more to focus on more positive and uplifting things.

And I and the other residents of Poland will do the real Polish thing and point out all the bad things.

Seems fair, I think - you can concentrate on the things that don't make a difference to our lives (like true Polonia) and we will concentrate on the things that do make a difference.

I dare say if somebody is always looking for what's bad or wrong about a nation, they WILL FIND IT and they probably don't like the nation.

You don't have to look far to find bad things in Poland.
grubas 12 | 1,391
29 Oct 2010 #101
Why is it bad to point out things about your surroundings?

Sometimes it's simply faux pas to do it in front of natives.

Why do Poles have a monopoly on making comments about Poland?

I guess you misunderstood me.My point is that even when I am talking **** about Poland it is still my country.I may hate the state and goverment of Poland but I still love Poland.Not any foraigner's case me think.

I thought it was taken as an insult? Guess I'm wrong there.

You are not wrong,some take it as an insult but they are minority.Majority don't care.My whole family has 10 years visas and they visited me once.None of them would ever think about staying here illegaly and work a menial job.They came,saw what's the big deal is about,spent a lot of money (which they brought from Poland) and left.Funny thing is that Americans sometimes asked me "do you send money home?" while in reality there were times when my family in Poland had to support me here.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
29 Oct 2010 #102
Sometimes it's simply faux pas to do it in front of natives.

The ones I mix with have no problem with foreigners seeing faults - it allows them to find out what we think. Likewise, they often offer interesting criticism of my own country.
grubas 12 | 1,391
29 Oct 2010 #103
How about if I say that the Russian military would steamroll over the Polish military?

Yes it is.Just like saying that Germans steamrolled over Poland in 1939 and Americans say that.They didn't.Only France fought a bit longer but they were not attacked from every direction nor surprised with blitzkrieg tactic.Poland has put a hell of the fight under that circumstances and saying that Germans steamrolled over Poland is bashing the country and highly offensive to Poles.Phuck, Denmark fought for 2 HOURS.
Mr Grunwald 29 | 2,014
29 Oct 2010 #104
Maybe it's human nature to complain, and not point out every good thing that you come across?

That is a lie! Everybody knows that Poles are the complainers! ;)
Humans? Pffft nonsense

Ive heard most/many "Plastic Poles" don't know proper Polish, I find this sad as the same happens in Norway where Polish parents tries to learn them Norwegian but forget to learn them proper Polish making them into Norwegians with Polish heritage.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 Oct 2010 #105
sorry I can't find statistics but it's common stereotype in Poland that among American Polonia Rydzyk is very popular.

so why didn't youstate right away that you follow stereotypes, instead of reliable information?
So now... isn't Poland the place where Rydzyk thrives? do you hate Poles in Poland too?

Also they vote mostly for Republicans

Yeah, I guess that's why elected Obama and Liberal Congress the last time around, huh?
guesswho 4 | 1,289
29 Oct 2010 #106
Ive heard most/many "Plastic Poles" don't know proper Polish, I find this sad as the same happens in Norway where Polish parents tries to learn them Norwegian but forget to learn them proper Polish making them into Norwegians with Polish heritage.

I have to take up for the parents a little bit again :-)
I've heard that in a very young age, it's not good to teach children 2 or more languages and since they live in Norway, obviously it's very important to learn Norwegian. Later on however, ti's not a problem to teach them some Polish too. Actually, as many languages as possible.

Yeah, I guess that's why elected Obama and Liberal Congress the last time around, huh?

Besides, nothing's wrong with voting for Republicans, lol
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
29 Oct 2010 #107
And they absolutely should stop insisting that Busha is the Polish word for grandmother. Interestingly, the Western Ukraine word for Grandmother is "Babusha".

I was always taught that 'Babcia' was the word for grandmother...Or 'Babci'...That's what I called my grandmother.

'Babushka' is a woman's headscarf, and usually worn by an older woman, but not always...From this we get the connection to grandmother, or 'Babusha'...It is a vernacular.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
29 Oct 2010 #108
They are my people, they come from my country (or at least have Polish ancestors) and if
there's anyone entitled to insult them and hurl abuse at them - IT'S ME!

I feel the brotherly love just oozing out of your post ;)
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
29 Oct 2010 #109
Delphiaindomine wrote:

Do you think this is unique to just Polish Americans? The entire country is made up of people with an identity crisis. The thing you gotta understand though is that people either don't care or have simply accepted it. At the end of the day, people tend to not give a damn if their parents came from pre-1945 Germany or not.

Italian Americans are even worse, pappy. They put flag stickers on their cars, wear Italian colored t-shirts and sweatshirts, they all dress the same, do their hair the same, say things like mootsarel, brazhoot, parmajohnie, goomba, and are convinced people speak this way in Italy......have you seen 'Jersey Shore'? Do you think any of those kids speak Italian or know the first thing about Italian history?

Then there's the whole latino population. Sure, some of them are 1st generation but you will see many kids who are clearly of latino decent and they either don't speak the language or are pathetic at it, yet proclaim to be pure latino to the bone and talk about the mother country.

Don't even get me started on black people in America being "African American".

It's non-stop dude and the poles in america, as far as being "plastic" is concerned, aren't even in the same ball park as the many other wannabe's. A country made entirely of immigrants built by immigrants and run by immigrants. It's just something you'll never understand. You came from a homogenous country and moved to yet another one, like most people on this forum.

delphiandomine wrote:

Good Gawwwwd. Talk about desperately trying to make mountains out of molehills to bring divisions between Poles in Poland and their relatives outside of Poland.

not quite. the issue in the end is just his constant loathing of America, for whatever reason. these "plastic poles" reside in America, therefore, he's got a problem with them. It never ceases to amaze me how someone can hate a country so much, yet understand so little about it.

You've never been to the USA delph, which explains your ignorance towards it.....the same reason why your "plastic poles" have no concept of Poland.
Havok 10 | 912
29 Oct 2010 #110
Sup delp

My family were Silesians for generations. Germans considered us to be somewhat Poles and as far as the Polish people,,, I’m sure you’re familiar with a word hanys.. So technically we were not Polish in our own country back then. I guess I take the whole thing a little too personal, but since you don’t give sh*t what you write here, I decided to put my two cents in.

There are certain points to remember regarding the past but you seem to be hang up on some very irrelevant aspects of the Polish history, because really, who gives a siht about 1930's? Can you please concentrate on the present instead? Poland is full of intolerance, dishonesty, sleaze, twisted idle people and corruption.

Let me get right to the point, please fuk off from Polish people who after many decades of suffering there in Poland choose to leave their homeland and live and work elsewhere in order to have a better life. In general, I don’t have problem admitting my Polish heritage but with azzholes like you around I may have to reconsider it.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
29 Oct 2010 #111
ha ha AMEN.. I second that.

Some one has to be pretty messed up to call those Immigrants who came to America
cowards.. so the skirt wearing bagpipeblower spews alot of hot air.. yeah, thats what
I summed it up as.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
29 Oct 2010 #112
Then there's the way that many of them completely mispronounce their "Polish" name. The worst example? I found a video on youtube of someone called "Marchewka". Anyone living in Poland will know that it's pronounced something similar to "mar-hef-ka" - but to the Polonia? It's "Mar-Chew-Ka". Gah.

Everyone does this. Even with arguably much more straightforward names & terms.

Americans tend to pronounce the Irish surname Mahoney as Ma-HONE-ey, which is wrong. The British tend to say KAYhill for the surname Cahill (wrong too).

The first female MP in the British house of commons was Irish - Countess Markievicz (she married a Polish count)

Her surname is pronounced by the Irish (and most other English speakers) as Mark-eh-vits, wrongly, but who cares?

Are we all supposed to refer to Paris as PaREE?

Anglophones will change "foreign" words to suit - as will anyone elseo-phones.

It's accepted - not a big deal.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
30 Oct 2010 #113
Let me get right to the point, please fuk off from Polish people who after many decades of suffering there in Poland choose to leave their homeland and live and work elsewhere in order to have a better life.

I find it highly unlikely that many of the American Polonia have suffered for a day in their life.

Unless you call not being able to understand why "Busha" didn't know that Krakow is now touristic as hell as "suffering".

Anglophones will change "foreign" words to suit - as will anyone elseo-phones.

But - that's ok, because it's foreigners adjusting it to their tounge. But when people claiming to be Polish don't even know how to say their name - well, you see my point. See also - Adam Andrzejewski. To say "I'M POLISH" and then pronounce your name "An-gee-ef-ski"....what a twat.

Some one has to be pretty messed up to call those Immigrants who came to America cowards.

They're about as cowardly as it gets. Waving pierogi around while hiding behind Reagan's nuclear bombs does not mean you're a patriot! Let's not forget that many of those cowards left Poland JUST as she regained independence - how patriotic can you get!

I know the Polonia are in denial, but the fact remains - the vast majority couldn't hack it in Poland. It was a tough place from 1919 onwards, sure - but running away is just cowardice. Likewise with Communism - I understand completely the ones who ran away in 1945 and couldn't come back (who would go back to torture/death?) - but afterwards? The ones who ran away in the 60's/70's were just cowards all the same.

(one thing's for certain - this thread proves that the American Polonia are insecure people)

At least there's one small mercy - the Polonia elsewhere are a credit to Poland.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
30 Oct 2010 #114
but the fact remains - the vast majority couldn't hack it in Poland

Hm, is that why you live in Poland now because you couldn't heck it in Scotland?
MediaWatch 10 | 945
30 Oct 2010 #115
LOL

Yeah delphiadomine every day whines about how he hates Polonia, Poles in Poland and always diminishes anything good the people of Poland have ever done. He keeps talking about all the things he feels are bad about Poland. Just the other day he said "its easy to find bad things in Poland" or something like that. BUT YET, he CHOSE to live in Poland and after complaining about all the things he hates about Poland and Poles he CONTINUES to CHOOSE to live in Poland.

Make's a lot of sense eh?? LOL

He is either a total moron for CHOOSING to live in a country he hates or he has been lying this whole time about living in Poland. I believe the latter.

He may have lived in Scotland but that's not his ancestry. His ancestry is R.......
meagan - | 18
30 Oct 2010 #116
Funny thing is that Americans sometimes asked me "do you send money home?" while in reality there were times when my family in Poland had to support me here.

But in General,you guys sends money back home.I guess there's a lot of Polish

especialy in New york who are working illegally(overstay),and they work and work

and work and work,then sends money to their family back home.
grubas 12 | 1,391
30 Oct 2010 #117
But in General,you guys sends money back home.

And who the phuck are you to say that?Judging from your English skills you are even not an American unless a retarded one.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
30 Oct 2010 #118
Just the other day he said "its easy to find bad things in Poland" or something like that. BUT YET, he CHOSE to live in Poland

Well, adult people make adult decisions. He hates it in Poland so he stays there. (lol)

He is either a total moron for CHOOSING to live in a country he hates

There are more cases like this on PF. No matter where one lives, it's no point to stay in your host country if you hate it, go back home and be happy again.
grubas 12 | 1,391
30 Oct 2010 #119
He hates it in Poland so he stays there. (lol)

They usually say that they are married to Polish broads and therfore they have to live in Poland.In other words they sacrifice their life and happines for their women.Also some live in Poland because they are on a mission to enlighten Poles.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
30 Oct 2010 #120
He is either a total moron for CHOOSING to live in a country he hates or he has been lying this whole time about living in Poland. I believe the latter.

Pretty much sums it up.


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