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grubas 12 | 1,391
30 Oct 2010 #121
But in General,you guys sends money back home.I guess there's a lot of Polish

Aren't you a Filipino?From the poverty stricken country of Philipines where any flood kills thousends and where the ugliest white man can bang dozens of little broads just for the promise of taking them out of there?From a nation with a GDP/capita comparble only with the poorest African nations. And you are telling me about "a lot" of imaginery Polish working illegaly ("overstay") sending money "back home"?(how do you know all that anyway?)You got to be kidding me.
convex 20 | 3,978
30 Oct 2010 #122
He may have lived in Scotland but that's not his ancestry. His ancestry is R.......

Sorry man, he's Scottish. Very Scottish (did not get my usual round on the host :) ). And he's got a lot of good folks that would be his "Polish friends", including one that put me up for a night. He didn't seem too upset to be living in Poland at the time.

He is either a total moron for CHOOSING to live in a country he hates

Again, I seriously don't believe that to be true...at all. I think he lives in Poland because he enjoys it. Doesn't mind criticizing what he sees as being problematic to him, and truly enjoys what he has here.

At least that's what I saw...dunno.

Hopefully that gives you a bit of better background.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
30 Oct 2010 #123
They're about as cowardly as it gets.

yeah, well I have a news flash......... they dont wave anything around, most of them
died like in 1950s or so, pretty sick man you are to call a dead immigrant a coward.. no
wait, you call a million of them cowards.. I hope they come back and haunt your
underwear drawer!!

Waving pierogi around while hiding behind Reagan's nuclear bombs does not mean you're a patriot!

another news flash................Reagan died too... ahem.. ( folds hands and puts head down
in respect).

The ones who ran away in the 60's/70's were just cowards all the same.

when did you immigrate to poland ? cause you must be a coward to not stay in your own
backyard and take whatever job was left .. yeah, you shouldnt have moved to poland
to teach, cause your a coward for not teaching your scottish children.. leaving when they
needed you most.. taking up and leaving like that for a better future.. shame on you , you
bad bad bad man... some poor little girl or boy in scotland is waiting for a brave old coot
like you to give them hope. but, alas.. they will never have the chance, cause the coward
scottish who left to go better himself in another country and pretend to be polish and like
them .. sad but true.

(one thing's for certain - this thread proves that the American Polonia are insecure people)

the only thing this thread proves is that you have a huge hatred towards American polonia and theres plenty of Polish citizens coming in and telling you to STFU because you have no

business talking crap about their family members.

I find it highly unlikely that many of the American Polonia have suffered for a day in their life.

so you think they just came over on a few dollars and all the sudden dorothy appears from
wizard of oz and says, hey, i have connections, let me set you up with some cash...

think again
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
30 Oct 2010 #124
Waving pierogi around while hiding behind Reagan's nuclear bombs does not mean you're a patriot!

Waving pierogi in air?...I usually fry mine in butter, or boil them...I like potato pierogi, cabbage or cheese...All good...I put a little hot sauce and maybe a little ketchup on mine...Quite tasty...Also, why no whole grain pierogi?...Use whole grain pastry dough, it would work...To much 'white bread' pierogi, you get 'backed up'.

All Poles or diaspora Poles should make an attempt to stick together, at least try to understand one another...Make like the Jews...When push come to shove, they shove non-Jews...Of course, they fight among themselves, too.

Slavs, we are all cousins...Let's celebrate our culture and history, not quibble over bull****...Time for Polish/Slavic unity, no?...We are a great nation, but fall victim to 'small mindedness'.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
30 Oct 2010 #125
?...I usually fry mine in butter, or boil them...I like potato pierogi, cabbage or cheese...

well, i usually wave them around the kitchen and do my war cry iieeeeeee... then i say
get out of the fire and into the pan you pierogi !!

...I put a little hot sauce and maybe a little ketchup on mine...

now I love my ketchup, but I tend to lean towards the sour cream and I do fry them with
onions.. oh I repeat the same with the sausage too right before I cook it.. :)

All Poles or diaspora Poles should make an attempt to stick together

I believe they are,, I have seen quite a few take up for us. even though there are so many
trying to divide ..

Slavs, we are all cousins...Let's celebrate our culture and history, not quibble over bull****...Time for Polish/Slavic unity, no?

crow.......... where are you??? we need slavic unity.. lets form a polish forum union
:)
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
30 Oct 2010 #126
but I tend to lean towards the sour cream and I do fry them with
onions..

Yes, sour cream good, but as a Polish-American, I worry about cholesterol! (Ha, ha!)...Onions, cebula, good always...Yes.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
30 Oct 2010 #127
The American Polonia suck, this is true. Poles in Poland? Most of them are wonderful people who will try to help you in any way if they can. About the only ones I can't stand are the nationalist, xenophobic idiots who are stuck in the Stone Age - and every country has them.

Just the other day he said "its easy to find bad things in Poland" or something like that. BUT YET, he CHOSE to live in Poland and after complaining about all the things he hates about Poland and Poles he CONTINUES to CHOOSE to live in Poland.

You really do pay a lot of attention to my posts, don't you? :D

I could name lots of things I like about Poland, such as the guaranteed snow, lack of rain, the people, the nice pubs, the nice restaurants, the general unpredictability of it all, the location, the quality of the food and more. You know, because I actually live here - and I'm not a "Plastic Polack".

Again, I seriously don't believe that to be true...at all. I think he lives in Poland because he enjoys it. Doesn't mind criticizing what he sees as being problematic to him, and truly enjoys what he has here.

Yup, there's a lot to enjoy here. I've met a hell of a lot of interesting people, and a lot of them, I wouldn't have met in the UK. Heck, I looked at my client list yesterday, and most of them have fairly impressive job titles - lawyers, senior management, doctors, etc.

In fact, about the only thing that makes me mad is the way that some "Plastic Polacks" come into Poland and start telling US how things should be done. I've heard so much moaning from them - that Poland isn't like the United States, that it should do this, that it should do that, that they can't live here because (insert rubbish excuse), and so on. Sure, us expats might complain about things, but we also try to change things as well. And anyway, we pay taxes here ;)

Heck, what's NOT to enjoy about the fact that within a few hours drive, you can be in all sorts of amazingly interesting places? Heck, I even enjoy the fact that I can rely on the public transport here!

Anyway, I'm a European Union citizen. If I hate one country, no problem, there's another 30 to choose from!

It has to be said, if I hated Poles so much, I'd hardly invite a forum member to come and meet lots of Polish people, would I? :)
MediaWatch 10 | 945
30 Oct 2010 #128
Comrade why don't you just admit that you just wish all Poles would be sent to the Gulag concentration camps that people of your ancestry started.

You are nothing but a virulent Polish-hater who wishes that you can send Poles to your Gulag concentration camps that people of your ancestry used to do all the time because they spoke out against your sick commie people's injustices. You and the people of your genetic ancestry can't send someone like me to one of your nation's Gulag concentration camps so you are fustrated and hence attack people like me. You can go F yourself because people of Polish ancestry like me you can't kill like your people did in Stalin's day so it makes you go crazy.

The nation of your ancestry is a disgrace to human kind especially since it allied it selve with Nazi Germany. The fact that I point that out is why lately you have been bashing Polish people so much. I hope and pray that the cities of your ancestry are riddled with violence and attacks since that's all white trash mongols like your people understand.

F RuSSia. The most evil nation on this earth.
Torq
30 Oct 2010 #129
About the only ones I can't stand are the nationalist, xenophobic idiots stuck in the Stone Age

I don't think there were any nationalists in the Stone Age. Tribalists maybe :-)

Besides, I don't like the combination of words "nationalist, xenophobic idiots".
Not all nationalists are xenophobic, not all xenophobes are nationalists and, most certainly,
not all nationalists are idiots. The way you used the expression is similar to Harry's usage
of "Christian Poles" to describe those Poles who murdered Jews during WW2 while, somehow,
he never talks about "Christian Germans", when murdering Jews is discussed, even though
the overwhelming majority of Germans were Christians back then (they even had "Gott mit
uns!" written on their belts.)

Our use of language (be it our native or a foreign one) and choice of words can tell a lot about ourselves.

EDIT:

Oh, and I think you were out of order creating this thread and calling Polonia members
"Plastic Polacks." Whatever quarell might there be between "real" and "plastic" Poles,
it is an internal Polish matter and it's nothing to foreigners like you, DD (mind you - I have
absolutely nothing against you personally but, please, don't interfere when family is fighting.)
Softsong 5 | 495
30 Oct 2010 #130
delphiandomine. It is good to see that you basically like the people in Poland and even the Polonia in other places. However, I have a hard time understanding why you would get so riled up about the Polonia in America. Maybe you have encountered a few jerks on this board or elsewhere. Is it really possible that all the people of Polish descent in America are so terrible that you angrily ask why anybody would put up with them?

I am no expert, but know that many immigrants that came to the USA around the turn of the century had their names mis-spelled and mis-pronounced. They may have shrugged their shoulders and accepted it or might not have been able to read. Their children wanting to be Americans would accept the americanized version of the name.

If you have ever done any genealogy, you may already know that surnames are of relatively recent vintage. When you look at the available records, the names are usually spelled and sometimes pronoucned in a variety of ways. Especially if there were occupying nations. So, if someone pronounces a Polish name the way an American would say it, that is the progression of languages and names. Language is a living thing.

Same thing with "false friends". A recent discussion on here shows that Russian and Polish as well as some Swedish and German words have some common origins. They may be pronounced the same, and spelled the same, but have slightly different meanings. Or they may be spelled a bit different or pronounced differently, but have basically the same or related meaning. That is just what happens when people leave one area and then develop new ways of using words. I find it interesting, not something to be angry about.

Even in England, with the invasions of the Angles, Saxons, Normans and other tribes, many names changed, words developed new meanings and new ways of saying the words. English, and most of the Germanic languages have their common origins. With migration, the language changed, and developed into new languages.

So, why expect that people of Polish descent will be able to preserve exactly Polish as it is spoken in Poland? Maybe they will keep some words frozen in time from when their ancestors came to this country. Maybe they will apply English rules to Polish words and make a nightmare out of it. No one does these things out of spite or malice. I am sure if you came to America and met some of Polish descent, you would also find many people you would like despite their imperfect knowledge.

PS. I never used Busha....I used Babćia. However, to make it sound more loving and sweet, I used an English ending. Had no idea I was doing it, but many in America say it like Bob-chee. Think of dog vs. doggy. Jim vs. Jimmy. We most likely took the right word and changed the ending more like it would be in English.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
30 Oct 2010 #131
convex wrote:

I think he lives in Poland because he enjoys it.

i beg to differ.

if you ask me, he's here because his options are VERY limited, meaning he's basically stuck here.

he graudated college, had nothing to do, and came to poland....AND his girlfriend is here, making him more stuck. if he goes back to Scotland, with a weak resume, he'd have to accept a job that he would hate along with paying like crap. his work experience after graduating is limited to whatever he's been doing to make ends meet out here (which I guess is a tad bit easier considering he doesn't pay rent) but i'd assume he's starting to realize the fact that the longer he continues to pine away in poland, the tougher it's going to be to find a job if he leaves the country and goes somewhere else. if he decides to leave poland in a couple years and try another country, nobody wants to hire a 27-28 year old foreigner who speaks nothing but English and no work experience aside from ESL in Poland and a failed services company.

if that was what YOU were up against.....you'd be pretty cranky, resentful and just plain old bitter too, but this is nothing unique to just Delphiandomine. there are a lot of expats out here who are in the same shoes getting more and more miserable in Poland but don't go home because they get the "well, what am I going to do back home?" syndrome. also, let's face it folks, it's much easier to be in his situation in a nice warm country (that speaks English) than Poland. the never ending winters in Poland will drive you completely out of your mind.

I wonder what the tone is with expats living in places like Italy or Portugal or the south of France?
convex 20 | 3,978
30 Oct 2010 #132
There you go :) Thanks for bringing in a bit of sanity.

In fact, about the only thing that makes me mad is the way that some "Plastic Polacks" come into Poland and start telling US how things should be done. I've heard so much moaning from them - that Poland isn't like the United States, that it should do this, that it should do that, that they can't live here because (insert rubbish excuse), and so on.

Softsong summed it up pretty well. Now, a bit less crazy. There are quite a few people who ***** and moan about Poland. Why single out this one group as opposed to everyone who complains?
Wroclaw Boy
30 Oct 2010 #133
He is the classic example of a foreigner emigrating to Poland and the stages one experiences through that process. If you look over the dates and content of his posts its text book emigration reactions.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
30 Oct 2010 #134
Their children wanting to be Americans would accept the americanized version of the name.

Of course, they are Americans and I don't see any problem with that. It's amazing how they still feel for Poland being born here so they should be appreciated in Poland and not bashed.

There are quite a few people who ***** and moan about Poland.

Just like there are few people who ***** and moan about the US too :-)
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
31 Oct 2010 #135
Tell me guys, what does the "plastic Pole" really stand for, a Polish-American or a green-card Pole? I'm asking because before joining this forum, I never came across this description.

A plastic pole is supposedly a fake pole, one that has Polish ancestors but lives in a country other than Poland. It's nbd, really, but some on this forum like to seperate us out when we are just as true to Poland and supportive as anyone who lives there.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
31 Oct 2010 #136
but some on this forum like to seperate us out when we are just as true to Poland and supportive as anyone who lives there.

If you're true to Poland, you live here and contribute to the country. End of story.

If you pledge allegiance to another country, you cannot be Polish - it's a simple fact. It's actually treason to pledge allegiance to another country.

Sorry Fuzzy, but the resume is already quite strong :) What with several years of marketing experience, a marketing degree and still doing some here on a freelance basis - it's not going to be hard to get a job in the UK in my field. But why the hell would I want to, when Poland is a much more attractive place to live?

Anyway, the services company hasn't failed, it's been put on the shelf. I'm still getting about 5-10 enquiries a week - and they're being passed onto a lawyer that I know, because I simply don't have the time to bother with it. Teaching pays more than enough for now, and I like the amount of free time that I have. It won't last forever, but for a couple of more years, it'll do nicely.

What's the market like for biologists who have been out of the game for several years doing something totally unrelated? Can't imagine there's much demand for them, especially without current experience. :)

I wonder what the tone is with expats living in places like Italy or Portugal or the south of France?

Personal insults aside, you've made a really good point here - and it's worthy of another thread. I know in Spain, there are many expats that are exactly as you say - bitter, stuck in another country and with absolutely nowhere to go. It's usually the ones with families that are the worst - it's much harder for them to pick up and go elsewhere without much fuss.

also, let's face it folks, it's much easier to be in his situation in a nice warm country (that speaks English) than Poland. the never ending winters in Poland will drive you completely out of your mind.

I like the winters, but that's because I come from a city where it rains constantly in winter. I like the cold too, so ;)

if you ask me, he's here because his options are VERY limited, meaning he's basically stuck here.

I've got an EU passport and can go wherever the hell I want without much trouble. Stuck here? Quite the opposite. But not everywhere offers Prague, Berlin, Lviv and Vilnius within an easy car drive ;)

(remember Fuzzy, us EU citizens have it much easier....)
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
31 Oct 2010 #137
if you knew ANYTHING about the job market in america and the incredibly high demand for people with science/math degrees, especially teachers of science and math (schools even pay them more than teachers of other subjects) you'd realize how silly your statement was. at least do some reasearch next time you try and save face.

teaching is just one of many professions i can persue and i somehow think my 4 years of teaching ESL to students of all ages from all parts of the world along with learning one of the most difficult languages in the world (from scratch as an adult) won't work against me when persuing a job in education.

biedne.....biedne, biedne delphiandomine :(
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
31 Oct 2010 #138
hahahahahaha. oh man, i had a good laugh with that one.

Jealous, Fuzzy? It's not the greatest field ever, but there is *always* a need to market your products. Given that Poles generally have next to no idea about how to do this to the West (recovered territories, anyone?) - it's something that I can do quite easily.

But - you know, carry on with your teenagers! Personally though, who the hell wants to be an old man teaching kids?

if you knew ANYTHING about the job market in america and the incredibly high demand for people with science/math degrees, especially teachers of science and math (schools even pay them more than teachers of other subjects) you'd realize how silly your statement was. at least do some reasearch next time you try and save face.

Teaching? Well, if you want to be 50 and still teaching sulky teenagers, you're welcome :) Anyway, is America so poor that they'll let anyone teach without a qualification?

Well, as they say - those who can't do it, teach :)
1jola 14 | 1,879
31 Oct 2010 #139
The American Polonia suck, this is true.

Yawn. Our Polonia are some of the most partriotic of all Poles and always have been. Largely thanks to them, the world is not yet convinced that Poles were worse than that Nazis. When this country was under the Soviet domination and we could not defend ourselves against the lies massively printed in the free world, only Polonia was in the position to straighten out some of them. You can join us, be against us, or just stay out of it.

Do Scots in America suck too or do you reserve that just for Poles?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
31 Oct 2010 #140
delphiandomine wrote:

Well, as they say - those who can't do it, teach :)

wait....what do you do for money in Poland? remind me.

oh, and for the record, it's "those who can't do, teach". it's ok, it's just one of those native things.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
31 Oct 2010 #141
oh, and for the record, it's "those who can't do, teach". it's ok, it's just one of those native things.

Fuzzy, if you actually were an English teacher worth listening to, you'd know fine well that these things often differ. But you know, I suppose Jersey Shore English is a bit...hmm, bastardised? ;)

Unless of course, you're one of those publishing bores who believe that the only "right" version of English is the one that they know. Or maybe you've simply been learning Polish too long, what with the strict definition of "what is Polish".

Sorry, but all that the Polonia did was to get upset about things, while hiding from communists because they were too damn cowardly to do anything about it themselves. I'm sure Poland was perfectly capable of defending itself from such accusations - they didn't need some Plastic Poles to defend themselves!

The American Polonia are, by and far, nothing but mouth. The election results show this ;)

(interesting thread though : shows that PiS voters are supportive of the Polonia, yet everyone else dislikes them. Ties in with the false "patriotic" message that they spread, I suppose.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
31 Oct 2010 #142
delphiandomine wrote:

Fuzzy, if you actually were an English teacher worth listening to, you'd know fine well that these things often differ.

nope. just one way to say it, but i guess you could play the "scotish card" for just about anything.

delphiandomine wrote:

But you know, I suppose Jersey Shore English is a bit...hmm, bastardised? ;)

glad to see you watch the show!

Can we get away from the recurring theme of Fuzzy, delphi and English. Thank you.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
31 Oct 2010 #143
ut when people claiming to be Polish don't even know how to say their name - well, you see my point.

It's my point too - everyone does it.

Plenty of Seán Mahoneys in Queens who think they are 100% Irish and go on about the old country etc etc - most of them don't know how to say their name either.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
31 Oct 2010 #144
If you're true to Poland, you live here and contribute to the country. End of story.

If you're true to Scotland, you live there and contribute to the country. End of story.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
31 Oct 2010 #145
Where did I claim to be a "patriotic, proud Scot"?

I couldn't give a toss about being patriotic and proud. Looking at the idiots in Poland who promote such "patriotism" - they're the ones who sulk and complain because they didn't get their man into the Presidential Palace.

Sorry, but I consider myself more European these days anyway.
Torq
31 Oct 2010 #146
interesting thread though : shows that PiS voters are supportive of the Polonia

I never voted for PiS, but I support those Polonia members who feel ties with the old country
and try to cherish and uphold Polish customs and tradition abroad.

yet everyone else dislikes them. Ties in with the false "patriotic" message that they spread,
I suppose.

It seems to me that you are under a very false impression that you are an expert in Polish
history, politics, society etc. I read a lot of your posts and believe me - you are NOT.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
31 Oct 2010 #147
Where did I claim to be a "patriotic, proud Scot"?

I bet, "Braveheart" and quite a few Scots out there, would kick your butt for your opinion..
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
31 Oct 2010 #148
It seems to me that you are under a very false impression that you are an expert in Polish history, politics, society etc. I read a lot of your posts and believe me - you are NOT.

So, where am I wrong?

(I'm just waiting for the first comments about Jews, Michnik, Communism or Gazeta Wyborcza)

Which party tends to throw around "PROUD PATRIOTIC POLSKA"? It's certainly not PO or the SLD. Both of those parties also don't have a leader who seems to be desperate to become some sort of martyr.

I bet, "Braveheart" and quite a few Scots out there, would kick your butt for your opinion..

Thankfully, we've progressed beyond the Stone Age in Scotland.

You have a tendency to talk about physical threats for people's opinions?

Nothing new here, you see it all the time in Poland ;) Violence used against people who speak freely is nothing new here at all... :(
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
31 Oct 2010 #149
who the hell wants to be an old man teaching kids?

your disgusting, how can you say this? so I take it your not out to marry and have
children, cause the greatest teaching jobs start at home and theres no pay to go along
with it.

its something that should be done without compensation and willingness to share
your knowledge, no matter what age you are.. and the best knowledge comes from
those who experience it.

This is a bucket of wealth all on its own. and you wouldnt be where your at today if
someone didnt mentor you or teach you..

now I know you a full of hot air. what a waste.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
31 Oct 2010 #150
now I know you a full of hot air. what a waste.

Typical Plastic Polonia response - hysteria, uneducated (just like the forefathers) and completely missing the point.

your disgusting, how can you say this?

For a start, it's "You're", not "your".

Anyway, if you had actually read the thread, you'd know that I was talking about teaching professionally. Nothing to do with sitting on "Jaja's" knee listening to boring stories about how he ran away from Poland in 1919 because he was such a patriot.


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