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Poland's post-election political scene



Harry 69 | 12,962    
13 Nov 2015  #61

Chairman Kaczy雟ki

Which article of the constitution is that post covered by?


delphiandomine 57 | 15,334    
13 Nov 2015  #62

Madam PM Szyd這, President Duda and Chairman Kaczy雟ki constitute a new Polish trintiy or dynamic trio which will soon get the country moving.

Harry, let's remember to quote this when Kaczy雟ki engineers a "crisis" and overthrows Szyd這.

Which article of the constitution is that post covered by?

Article 1 of the IV RP.

It's quite remarkable that Polonius is openly saying that Kaczy雟ki has an extraconstitutional position despite nominally not holding any post of power whatsoever.
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
13 Nov 2015  #63

let's remember to quote

What will you be quoting when Nowoczesna's parliamentary club outnumbers that of PO? That seems to be the general trend, although it may take a few weeks or even months. The PO is doomed and may not even clear the 5% threshold in 2019.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,334    
13 Nov 2015  #64

PO, doomed? You really ought to stop reading the right wing media. If they were doomed, they wouldn't have won in many cities despite the stunning results of Nowoczesna. Take Wroc豉w for example : PO won 31%, PiS won 28%. But Nowoczesna took 12% or so - if they didn't run, then PO would have won by miles.

What PiS should worry about is that there are several women within Nowoczesna that will attack Szyd這 repeatedly. They all have very sound credentials, and they're exactly the kind of people that will lay trap after trap.
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
13 Nov 2015  #65

if they didn't run

That's called gdybanie in Polish: what if such and such had happened or didn't occur or failed to take place???? Gdyby babcia mia豉 w御y to by豉by dziadkiem. (Please get someone to translate it for you, OK?)
delphiandomine 57 | 15,334    
13 Nov 2015  #66

I understand it just fine, thanks.

I'm just waiting for Macierewicz to try and threaten Russia.
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
13 Nov 2015  #67

Macierewicz to try and threaten

The new foreign office (with balls) will most likely have Russia be put on trial before the European Tribunal for delaying the Smolensk inquiry and refusing to return the wreckage.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,334    
13 Nov 2015  #68

And Russia will laugh at Poland and retaliate with childish measures designed to provoke Poland.

For instance, you'll see some General on Russian TV announcing that the border in Kaliningrad is now guarded by an extra 2000 men. Poland will impose a border zone in return, which will do nothing but inconvenience Polish people.
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
13 Nov 2015  #69

inconvenience Polish people.

As well as the shabby, ragtag Rooskies who cross into Poland to shop for essentials lacking in the "glorious" RF. As long as our faithful and fearless GIs have their boots firmly set on Polish soil, Poles can sleep peacefully.

God bless America! Long live NATO!

several women within Nowoczesna

PiS do not fear a "pyskata baba" or two. The more so that all they can do is rant, rave and fume. PM Szyd這 can hold her own agaisnt a bunch of frustarted females.

openly saying

I don't belong to nor sympathise with PO, hence I feel no need to use deceptive euphemisms.
The constitution and law do not exist to satisfy the emotional or polemical needs of cockeyed PF loudmouths and nitpickers. Nowhere is it said that a party leader must hold the PM's post. The ex-commies won one election but put PSL's Pawlak in that post. Krzaklewski led the AWS but Buzek was PM. In the current term the same person is PSL leader and club chairman, although the PO had two differtent people in those posts. These are unregulated areas left to the discretion of politicians.

You would love to have newcomers run the show from the very outset, since that would be a blueprint for disaster. No-one has got Kaczy雟ki's hands-on expertise, practical knowledge and strategic wisdom. Under his enlightened guidance and tutelage Duda, Szyd這 and other PiS debutants will aslo acquire the necessary political skills.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,334    
13 Nov 2015  #70

PiS do not fear a "pyskata baba" or two. The more so that all they can do is rant, rave and fume. PM Szyd這 can hold her own agaisnt a bunch of frustarted females.

Poor Polonius. Those "frustarted females" have achieved far more in their life than you.

As long as our faithful and fearless GIs have their boots firmly set on Polish soil, Poles can sleep peacefully.

Thing is Polonius, I actually agree. Russia's in a mess, but Putin's savvy enough to know that as long as he holds onto the wreck, he can torment and insult the government. All it takes is one accidental "leak" to the right wing Polish media that they destroyed something from the wreck, and they'll provoke an upset and angry response from the Government.

On a related note, I'm almost certain that Putin will find a pretext to stop commemorations in Katy by the Poles. Russia has always been rather childish with these things (see also : West Berlin) - and the best thing the government can do is ignore it.
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
14 Nov 2015  #71

have achieved far more

Apples and oranges? I'm not a politician, only an observer.

PiS should worry

UNITED RIGHT GOVERNMENT ON THE MARCH:
**After presenting her policy paper, PM Beata Szyd這 won a vote of confidence from parliament. PSL abstained from voting, signalling according to some the possibility of informal voting coalitions with the government in future. ZL shares with PSL a general aversion to so-called "progresesive" social experimentation and "engineering".

***Polish CEOs to lose golden parachutes? According to the authors of the amendment, the change is aimed at counteracting exceptionally high severance packages and compensation for board members of companies owned by the Treasury.

***Earlier, PO MPs announced that they would reject the draft, which provides for, among others, the re-election of five judges of the Constitutional Tribunal. Three judges on the Tribunal had their terms expire in recent weeks, with two more seeing their terms expire in early December. Polish President Andrzej Duda has not extended the terms of the rest of the Tribunal members. The passed amendement will see five judges standing for re-election to the Tribunal. thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/229619,Sejm-passes-amendment-to-Constitutional-Tribunal-bill#sthash.AXEjD9fl.dpuf

***President Duda's office will report to the prosecutor's office the deplorable state of the presidential villa in Klarysew. "The state we found it in attests to a lack of respect for taxpayer money," stated presidential minsiter Andrzej Dera.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,334    
19 Nov 2015  #72

"The state we found it in attests to a lack of respect for taxpayer money," stated presidential minsiter Andrzej Dera.

Poor show, Polonius. The villa was left in that state by Lech Kaczy雟ki.

PSL abstained from voting, signalling according to some the possibility of informal voting coalitions with the government in future.

Doesn't mean very much, they tend to keep out of partisan politics.

According to the authors of the amendment, the change is aimed at counteracting exceptionally high severance packages and compensation for board members of companies owned by the Treasury.

And you honestly think that they won't simply agree an alternative form of compensation?

The passed amendement will see five judges standing for re-election to the Tribunal.

Utterly unbelievable. Within one week, they're already stamping all over the Constitution.

Having said that, the most interesting thing from this past week has been Gowin. He's already made it crystal clear that he intends to bring reform to the university sector, including bringing genuine competition between public and private universities for state funds, as well as funding less in the humanities and concentrating on science. Given that PiS are mostly made up of "soft" graduates, this hasn't gone down well at all.
dolnoslask    
19 Nov 2015  #73

Quite normal for people who are moving out of a house in Poland to take bathrooms kitchens light fittings, honest i jest not. so maybe not a criminal act
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
19 Nov 2015  #74

"soft" graduates

Please clue me in: what is a soft graduate? But, hey, wait a mo, I'll bet it's something bad becuase it refers to PiS. And all thsi time you didn't know I had prophetic capabilities, did you? (LOL!!!!)

alternative form of compensation?

That's the whole point. The ZL govt will plug up the holes in the financial system, better enforce tax collection, prevent attemtps to circumvent the law and crack down on abuses. The Polish nation deserves a fair shake, and only the patriotic right can ensure it.
dolnoslask    
19 Nov 2015  #75

Polo I think a soft graduate is someone has a degree in politics , social Studies, Queer Musicology - UCLA
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
19 Nov 2015  #76

soft graduate

OK, many dzienks. In Poland it would be something like resocjalizacja -- for those who only want a diploma but don't plan to use it for career purposes.

In your view is political science a soft course?
delphiandomine 57 | 15,334    
19 Nov 2015  #77

The ZL govt will plug up the holes in the financial system, better enforce tax collection, prevent attemtps to circumvent the law and crack down on abuses. .

So if this is true, why haven't they held Duda to account for what he did?

See Polonius, these sort of statements are only meaningful if PiS are willing to actually enforce it equally for all. In this case, we can clearly see that all men are equal, just some are more equal than others.

And yes, a soft graduate is one without hard skills - for instance, political science, sociology, history, etc etc. Gowin was very clear that he regarded the future as being science based, which is very very sensible.
dolnoslask    
19 Nov 2015  #78

In the UK political science a would be classified as a soft course, Unless you plan to be a politician. or work as a political staff member.
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
20 Nov 2015  #79

Within one week

The latest Ibris poll shows:
PiS 35
PO 20
Nowoczesno嗆 (Petru) 14
United Left (luckily strictly theoretical) 8
PSL 5
delphiandomine 57 | 15,334    
20 Nov 2015  #80

The latest Ibris poll shows:

And Kukiz?
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
20 Nov 2015  #81

Sorry about that. He's still in but has dropped. Will look it up.

Kukiz 7.6%

The latest Ipsos

LATEST IPSOS POLL:

PiS - 35%, PO - 18%, Nowoczesna & Kukiz 10% each, KORWIN 6%. PSL and United Left 4% each.
Wulkan - | 3,021    
21 Nov 2015  #82

PiS - 35%, PO - 18%

Oh don't post those facts, I don't want Harold's gang to be sad when they see their whining on this forum doesn't work :-/
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
21 Nov 2015  #83

those facts

Facts are facts regarldess what any wimpy whingers think about it.
The latest CBOS survey found President Duda to be the only Polish politican trusted by an absolute majority of Poles (55%). Kukiz is in 2nd place (44%) and Szyd這 in 3rd (43).

Smart-alecky, badmouthing Delph has again shown hismelf to be out of sync with what real Poles believe.
InPolska 12 | 2,034    
22 Nov 2015  #84

My goodness! Kukiz ... 44%!!!!!!!!!! Very sad!
Polsyr 6 | 851    
22 Nov 2015  #85

real Poles

You mean ones with landlines? Because that is how these surveys are done.
mafketis 16 | 4,027    
22 Nov 2015  #86

Who has landline phones anymore? I haven't for over ten years. Isn't that distorting the results a lot?
OP Polonius3 996 | 12,070    
22 Nov 2015  #87

Who has landline phones

Those who wish to avoid brain tumours!
Roger5 1 | 1,200    
22 Nov 2015  #88

Isn't that distorting the results a lot?

It's a possibility. We keep one solely so my technophobe mother-in-law can keep in touch. Young people (i.e. those less likely to be PiS voters) tend not to have them.
mafketis 16 | 4,027    
22 Nov 2015  #89

Poland is different when it comes to phones. This is partly a result of the communist system in which phone lines were hard to get, one more little method of social control.

I remember in the early to mid 1990s most of the people I knew didn't have phones at home and you had to go there in person to talk about anything). The phone company lagged on correcting this for way too long and by the time cell phones became more available people who weren't used to landline phones never bothered with them at all.
Harry 69 | 12,962    
25 Nov 2015  #90

I thought that this photo was the devil showing a human side by meeting with a special needs kid; however, it's actually a 20-year old advisor to the minister of foreign affairs and the minister of foreign affairs shaking hands.

Minister and advisor




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