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Poland's post-election political scene



OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,555    
7 Nov 2015  #31

having a field day

A field day of frustrated impotence in their own back gardens and embittered minds, one that has no bearing on anything. Bottom line: poor losers letting off steam!


Harry 79 | 13,422    
7 Nov 2015  #32

This of course goes for all countries, not only Poland.

There are countries where voting is compulsory (or at least attending the polling station is). I'd strongly support such a change in Poland.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
7 Nov 2015  #33

Bottom line: poor losers letting off steam!

Poor Polonius. He's forgotten that PO are still very much in control of many provinces and local authorities, and that they will use this power base to come back stronger than ever.
Harry 79 | 13,422    
7 Nov 2015  #34

Mainly PO will be using the hilarious farce that PIS' government is certain to descend into to come back stronger than ever. A couple of years of PIS demonstrating that they are utter morons and PO won't be able to fail to win the early elections when they finally agree to those being called.
mafketis 16 | 4,734    
7 Nov 2015  #35

A couple of years of PIS demonstrating that they are utter morons and PO won't be able to fail to win the early elections

That's one scenario, another scenario is the youth flank uniting and getting rid of the toxic elders and turn PiS into a normal Christian Democrat party and not a personal tool of deal making and petty vengeance.

But PiS as is has essentially no real chance since it's too concentrated in one person and that person is not interested in building a healthy society.
Roger5 2 | 1,476    
7 Nov 2015  #36

the youth flank uniting and getting rid of the toxic elders

PiS seemed very keen to have young people behind speakers at election meetings. We all know that their base is elderly and dying off, but this does indeed provide an opportunity for a new generation of reactionary young people to come through the PiS ranks (I can't see them becoming a normal European Social Democrat party). As for the highly toxic Kaczynski, PiS finally got the message, but with him around the party will always be seen as a joke internationally.
Grzegorz_ 52 | 6,196    
7 Nov 2015  #37

I'd strongly support such a change in Poland.

Another fascist...

But PiS as is has essentially no real chance since it's too concentrated in one person and that person is not interested in building a healthy society.

That's one of the reasons that PiS won, their opponents have nothing to say except "Kaczyński this, Kaczyński that...".
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,555    
7 Nov 2015  #38

as a joke internationally

According to assorted leftists, crypto-marxists, hyper-market exploiters, anarcho-libertines, Zionists and similar riffraff who do not have the Polish nation's best interests at heart and are therefore not worth bothering about. One should always CONSIDER THE SOURCE.
jon357 70 | 12,786    
7 Nov 2015  #39

As for the highly toxic Kaczynski, PiS finally got the message, but with him around the party will always be seen as a joke internationally.

One danger that the media have mentioned is that he, the equally toxic Macierewicz and assorted Smolenskists are waiting in the wings. They won't let go easily, and as they get older, they seem to get worse.
InPolska 11 | 1,825    
7 Nov 2015  #40

@Pol3: who's left after your long enumeration? ;)
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
7 Nov 2015  #41

Zionists and similar riffraff who do not have the Polish nation's best interests at heart and are therefore not worth bothering about.

What makes you think that a party comprised of PRL nomeklatura has Poland's best interests at heart?

PiS are merely pretending to care about Poland. In reality, they only care about the country as a personal chequebook.
mafketis 16 | 4,734    
7 Nov 2015  #42

who's left after your long enumeration? ;)

Him and Jarek, it's him and Jarek against the dirty rotten traitorous homo loving world!
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,555    
7 Nov 2015  #43

PRL nomeklatura

The most PZPR hangovers, socialsits, crypto-marxists and simialr leftists scum were found in the SLD, UD and UW and then PO. The fewest in PiS. Do your homework and find out the truth rather than bandying half-cocked accusations about.
jon357 70 | 12,786    
7 Nov 2015  #44

Him and Jarek, it's him and Jarek

Basically yes. And neither remotely credible.

Relics of a time of transition and neither wanting the skeletons in the cupboard to rattle too loudly.
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,555    
7 Nov 2015  #45

personal chequebook

You are describing the high-living PO operatives rather than the far more
modest PiS people. Super-ultra-hi-tech wrist watches costing as much as a good second-hand car (15,000 zł), caviare, vinatge wine and cognac lunches at Sowa & Przyjaciele and similar extravagance have long been a hallmark of the Platformer elite.
Harry 79 | 13,422    
7 Nov 2015  #46

And of course the people who insist on flying from Warsaw to Poznan instead of taking the train, and then defrauding the Polish taxpayer by claiming to have been traveling on state business when the reality is that they were going there to lecture at a private university. Why do you always forget about that kind of high-living high-flying fraudsters?
gumishu 11 | 4,557    
7 Nov 2015  #47

Polish MPs travel for free on nationals connections regardless of what is the reason of their travel - it is the law
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,555    
7 Nov 2015  #48

Macierewicz

As a member of the sweep-Smolensk-underthe-carpet faction, who never blame the impotent PO regime for even failing the repatriate theTupolev wreckage, you will not appreciate Macierewicz's efforts at keeping the issue alive until it can be utlimately resolved.

But Macierewicz's main claim to fame was throwing open secret-police files in 1992. Had that process been allowed to play out, there may have never been an ex-commie SLD and the de-communisation process would have been over in a few years' time. As it is, it continues to drag on, poisoning the Polish political scene. Wałęsa and other shaking-in-their-boots collaborators (the same old familiar mafia -- Kwaśniewski, Tusk, Mazowiecki, Moczulski, Pawlak, Niesiołowski, Kuroń, Geremek, Bugaj, etc.) quashed that democratic process through their nefarious parliamentary coup. Anyone interested is urged to watch the film "Nocna zmiana" which clearly identifies the nocturnal plotters.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
7 Nov 2015  #49

Polish MPs travel for free on nationals connections regardless of what is the reason of their travel - it is the law

I think all of us can see the difference between 'travel for parliamentary reasons' and 'travel in order to work privately'.

As a member of the sweep-Smolensk-underthe-carpet faction, who never blame the impotent PO regime for even failing the repatriate theTupolev wreckage, you will not appreciate Macierewicz's efforts at keeping the issue alive until it can be utlimately resolved.

It was resolved.

More to the point Polonius, when we can expect you to support a thorough lustration process that also involves looking in great detail about how someone was able to star in movies as a child and even access the "aplikacja" to become a prosecutor in the PRL?
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,555    
7 Nov 2015  #50

It was resolved.

Oh, so where in Poland is the wreckage being kept and investigated?
Yes, lustration should cover everyone in political office.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
7 Nov 2015  #51

Oh, so where in Poland is the wreckage being kept and investigated?

I'm glad it's not here. It stops us getting involved in huge fights over it and stops it becoming some sort of shrine.

Yes, lustration should cover everyone in political office.

And I suppose you also thoroughly support making sure that everyone has a clean family background, right?

I mean, if someone grew up benefiting from "connections", they shouldn't be allowed to hold public office, right?
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,555    
7 Nov 2015  #52

As you undoubtedly know, lustration focused on secret collaborators (tajny współpracownik) of the UB and SB amongst those elected to political office. Child stars in a feature film would not be covered unless in their adult life they had been secret-police informers.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
7 Nov 2015  #53

Well, I think we can suspect anyone involved with law (including prosecutors and judges, given that they executed the judgements given to them by the UB/SB) as likely to have had some dealings with the secret police, can't we?

It seems rather unfair to only look at one aspect of Polish history.
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,555    
7 Nov 2015  #54

prosecutors and judges

Of course, the judicial apparatus was especially vulnerable to secret-polcie pressure and gratuities. I did nto mean to exclude them but was focusing on those who carried out Wałęsa's parliamentary coup -- elected officials.
Harry 79 | 13,422    
7 Nov 2015  #55

Polish MPs travel for free on nationals connections regardless of what is the reason of their travel

Actually they only travel for free while on official business, which is why Duda is making laughable claims about being in Poznan on parliamentary business on each of the weekends he was lecturing at that private university.
gumishu 11 | 4,557    
7 Nov 2015  #56

Actually they only travel for free while on official business,

completely made up
Dougpol1 20 | 1,414    
7 Nov 2015  #57

Polish MPs travel for free on nationals connections regardless of what is the reason of their travel - it is the law

Dougpol in gumishu agreement shocker.

The same nonsense happens in the UK. Harry is being selective on this point. Private university or not, the distinction is not made.

It's not Jonathan Aitken at the Ritz.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,827    
7 Nov 2015  #58

The same nonsense happens in the UK.

But we live in Poland... I don't know about Harry, but I don't vote in UK elections and don't pay tax there.
Crow 138 | 5,838    
7 Nov 2015  #59

my main conclusion about Poland's post-election political scene is that are Polish political parties vigilant. Great changes are coming. Polish politics becoming realistic, more balances on all important powers and centers in the world.
OP Polonius3 1,019 | 12,555    
13 Nov 2015  #60

Merged: Poland's new dynamic trio!

Madam PM Szydło, President Duda and Chairman Kaczyński constitute a new Polish trintiy or dynamic trio which will soon get the country moving. The Losers will try to set them at odds by grumbling, making insinuatons and spreading rumours about how this one or that has more say. In actuality, each member of the team has a unique contribution to make and all three complement each other.

O n the optehr hand, the behaviour of the PO lossers should surprise no-one. What else can they do but sit on the sidelines and malign, deride, insult and fester in their impotent fury and frustration.




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