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Poland's post-election political scene


delphiandomine 57 | 15,075    
25 Nov 2015  #91

And to think that people from PiS were insulting Jagna Marczułajtis-Walczak for being too young.

Must admit though, the headlines just write themselves. A 20 year old without even a degree advising the Minister of Defence?


OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
26 Nov 2015  #92

Young people (i.e. those less likely to be PiS voters

Spreading myths and false stereotypes about mohair berets, are you? In the last election PiS won the support of a majority of younger voters, educated voteers and town-dwelling voters fed up wtih Platformerian abuses and ineptness.
Roger5 1 | 1,196    
26 Nov 2015  #93

I'll happily stand corrected if you can quote a reliable source that can show that the majority of young people who voted voted for PiS.
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
26 Nov 2015  #94

PO are still very much in control

Yes, in control of their assorted has-beens and factory rejects such as Tomasz Arabski. He has been kicked out of Poland's Madrid embassy for his co-responsibility for the Smolensk tragedy. Tusk tried to whisk him off to Spain to keep him "ouf of sight and out of mind". And for a coupla years that actually worked.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,075    
27 Nov 2015  #95

He has been kicked out of Poland's Madrid embassy

Do you realise how pathetic this makes Poland look?

In most ordinary countries, ambassadors see out their stay. It's not good to simply replace them at the blink of an eye for petty political reasons. Let's say Obama leaves office and Trump wins - Paul Jones is going to remain there regardless in Warsaw.
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
27 Nov 2015  #96

petty political reasons

Spoken like a true Platfus! The greatest civilian air tragedy in Polish hsitory is a "petty political reason"?

majority of young people

It was all over the TV news channels right after teh election. They were constantly showing słupki according to education, occupation, place of residence, age, etc. and saying for the first ime PiS has eclisped PO in most categories. Also that only 2 of the 16 voivodshisp suported PO. Go back to 26-27 Nov. and you'll find plenty.

Correction: 26-27 October.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,075    
27 Nov 2015  #97

Spoken like a true Platfus! The greatest civilian air tragedy in Polish hsitory is a "petty political reason"?

Then investigate, and when there are solid reasons to charge Arabski with wrongdoing, recall him from Madrid, not before.
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
27 Nov 2015  #98

solid reasons

You, who have never uttered a peep about PO's numerous "irregularities", never questioned, contested, disputed or even doubted a single of their moves and misdeeds, have got the audacity to lecture the Polish government on what procedures and time-frames they should follow.
Harry 67 | 12,851    
27 Nov 2015  #99

Do you realise how pathetic this makes Poland look?

It sends a message to the world that the current government is interested in revenge above all else.

The greatest civilian air tragedy in Polish hsitory

It was neither the greatest air tragedy in Polish history nor a civilian flight (if it had been a civilian flight, it almost certainly wouldn't have crashed, in no small part because it most probably wouldn't have taken off, but mostly because the pilots wouldn't have had their commanding officers pressuring them to land).
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
27 Nov 2015  #100

this makes Poland look

Do you realise how the West's foaming-at-the-mouth leftstream media are working overtime to badmouth and discredit the democratically elected Polish government? What are YOU DOING to correct the negative stereotypes and distortions?

Oh, almost forgot, you're part of the same badmouthing team!
Harry 67 | 12,851    
27 Nov 2015  #101

Do you realise how the West's foaming-at-the-mouth leftstream media are working overtime to badmouth and discredit the democratically elected Polish government?

As if PIS need any help to make themselves look bad!
Ironside 42 | 7,679    
27 Nov 2015  #102

Traitors are working overtime producing tones of articles in western press by PO and GW based sources, money and dudes.

As if PIS need any help to make themselves look bad!

I don't care if they look bad as long as their a doing a good job. They got their mandate from the people in Poland, so why don't you stop whining and trying to discredit results of democratic election. Do you have Polish passport? NO!
Harry 67 | 12,851    
27 Nov 2015  #103

I don't care if they look bad as long as their a doing a good job.

That's the point: they aren't.
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
27 Nov 2015  #104

post-election political scene

PO is doing everythingn possible to stoke the Polish-Polish war which it launched back in 2005. Tusk and Rokita were so shell-shocked and traumatised by their dual defeat at the polls that they lost their minds and when they came to PO started doing everything in their pwoer to sabotage and undermine the work of the democratically elected government.

Now they're back to their old tricks, even worse, acting like a spoilt brat that didn't get his way. At least the Petru group can be admired for holding their own and hurling questions at the government, whislt the Platformers stormed out and held a briefing, now get this -- one the stairs. Any honourable oppositon would have stayed, voted against or abstained without throwing cry-baby temper tamtrums.

They thought they werte so clever last summer when they forced through a measure that would ensire a Constituional Tribunal fully controlled by PO. Although they didn't have a majority in the Sejm or Senate, they felt at least in this way they coudl obstruct or overturn the government's measures. PiS luckily caught onto their little ruse and has prevented the planned take-over by a losing party.
G (undercover)    
27 Nov 2015  #105

PO

The whole disgusting thing is just going to collapse... and then... down the closet, where they belong...
delphiandomine 57 | 15,075    
27 Nov 2015  #106

Poor Greggy. You seem to be rather scared of PO, no doubt because a crushing win in 2018's local elections will set them up nicely for eliminating PiS in 2019 and setting the scene for Tusk's return to dethrone Duda in 2020.
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
27 Nov 2015  #107

crushing win in 2018

More pipe-dreams? PO is finished, washed up, kaput. They are already being eclipsed by Petru and most likely will not clear the 5% threshold in the next election. All their temper tantrums only show them up to be the losers they always have been (but temporarily managed to conceal it) and always will be.

After the United Right clear the playing field, they will be able to clean up the mess left behind by the Platformers and start building the Poland of our dreams.
mafketis 16 | 3,859    
27 Nov 2015  #108

PO is finished, washed up, kaput

Who will you blame everything on if they do disappear? Bogeymen just don't make themselves, you know.
Harry 67 | 12,851    
27 Nov 2015  #109

the Poland of our dreams.

The problem is that the Poland of the dreams of an American is the Poland of the nightmares of most Poles.
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
27 Nov 2015  #110

Who will you blame

Whoever's to blame. Already the Platformers are providing a preview of the storm-out temper tantrums and mud-slinging they intend to pursue to keep the Polish-Polish civil war blazing apace. They are outnumbered luckily but their barrage of false accusations and slander will require time-consuming clarification and therefore slow down the United Right's planned reforms and return to normality. That is obviously the devious tactic of the PO losers so they can later complain the Right did not promptly fulfil their promises.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,075    
27 Nov 2015  #111

That sounds like you're making excuses already for PiS not fulfilling their electoral promises.

Interestingly, I read today that PO taking away some of the money from the OFE funds will possibly enable PiS to lower the retirement age.
Grzegorz_ 52 | 6,248    
27 Nov 2015  #112

You seem to be rather scared of PO

Of course I am.
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
27 Nov 2015  #113

enable PiS to lower

Many developments can at times become the unintended collateral results of other things. But the PO regime did not rob OFE for that purpose but to plug up holes in their mismanaged and overextended budget.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,075    
27 Nov 2015  #114

You do realise that PiS are thinking about getting rid of the OFE funds full stop?

It seems very much from the commentary that I've read that the OFE fund idea was a great idea in the late 90's to help capitalise Polish banks, but makes absolutely no sense in 2015 to transfer huge sums from ZUS to the OFE funds.

Wouldn't bother me anyway, all my contributions go to ZUS.
Harry 67 | 12,851    
27 Nov 2015  #115

to plug up holes in their mismanaged and overextended budget.

You mean like the holes caused by promising to lower the retirement age and give free cash per child?
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
2 Dec 2015  #116

PiS

LATEST IBRIS POLITICAL-PREFRENCE POLL:

PiS 35%
NOWOCZESNA (Petru) 23%
PO 15%*
KUKIZ'15 7%
KORWIN 5%
PSL 5%.

*PO is gradually declining, slipping, shrinking disappearing in instalments...single-digit support is not far away, then the 5% theshold, and then.......
Levi 14 | 537    
2 Dec 2015  #117

*PO is gradually declining, slipping, shrinking disappearing in instalments...single-digit support is not far away, then the 5% theshold, and then.......

The destiny of PO will be pretty much the same as SLD: Oblivion.

And this was expected, since PO shifted to the Left-Wing, political correct socialist side, and as the recent past proves, this means FAILURE and is a idea that the poles had been rejecting.
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
2 Dec 2015  #118

Oblivion

Oh dear, sob-sob, boo-hoo, whom will the Brit Bullies and their PF toadies brown-nose once the P(rime) O(ffenders) disappear from the scene? As arrogant look-down-on-your-fellowman elitists, most likely they will transfer their admiration and loyalty to hard-nosed, everything-for-the-oligarchs Petru and to hell with Poland's common man!
Harry 67 | 12,851    
2 Dec 2015  #119

whom will the Brit Bullies and their PF toadies brown-nose once the P(rime) O(ffenders) disappear from the scene?

I'm sure that anybody who supported PO would have no problem in finding another political party to support in the unlikely event that PO was to disappear. Just look at the way that once loyal member of the Polish communist party have found a happy home in PIS and now enjoy government positions. And that's before we even begin to look at those who collaborated with the commie regime but weren't brave enough to join the Polish communist party (or who didn't want to put their precious American passport at risk by joining the Polish communist party).

But that's an entirely hypothetical situation: PO remain strong regionally. And PIS seem intent on doing all they can to drive the floating voters who won them the last election away from them as quickly as possible.

arrogant look-down-on-your-fellowman elitists

Talking about your VIP self again?
OP Polonius3 985 | 11,637    
7 Dec 2015  #120

LATEST

The latest averaged support levels according to polsters: Milward Brown, Ibris and Estymator:

PiS 37.3
Nowoczesna 20.7
PO 17.2
Kukiz'15 7.6
ZL 5.3
KORWIN 4.6
PSL 4.5



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