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PiS and Russian political/economic interests


delphiandomine 85 | 17,648    
11 Jan 2016  #1
Well, well, well. Another week, and now the media are suggesting that there are connections between PiS and Russia.

pl.blastingnews.com/felietony/2016/01/pis-lokuje-jawnych-zwolennikow-putina-na-najwyzszych-stanowiskach-w-tvp-00725945.html

It's a good article, and it's worth a read. It essentially outlines how the new boss of TVP Kultura has been acting in accordance with pro-Russian interests, such as attacking fronda.pl for their aggressive anti-Russian stance against the occupation of Crimea. The publisher/editor Matyszkowicz has been openly calling for the destruction of the European Union. Furthermore, it explains how the PiS "good change" appears to be the implementation of Russian economic and political interests in Poland - with TVP Kultura being a vital aspect of that plan. Certainly, the appointment of a pro-Putin figure to lead TVP Kultura has to raise eyebrows.

We should also mention that blastingnews brought attention to the unfavourable oil contract signed with Russia -

pl.blastingnews.com/ekonomia/2016/01/czy-prawo-i-sprawiedliwosc-jest-agenda-rosyjskich-sluzb-specjalnych-w-polsce-00717669.html

The title "Is PiS an agency of the Russian special services in Poland?" tells you all you need to know. The article explains how the deal with Russia has allowed Russia to dominate the Polish oil industry - not only through the unfavourable deal, but also through the takeover of the Schwedt (Oder) refinery in Eastern Germany which supplies a considerable part of Western Poland's oil needs. Furthermore, it also shows how the PiS-controlled media spread lies about the increase in oil prices to make it seem as if it was a PiS success, when in reality, oil prices are predicted to fall even further due to the entry of Iran into the market.

Perhaps this is the most crucial part of the text :

Biografia Jasińskiego mogłaby więc sugerować, iż był on wysokiej rangi funkcjonariuszem komunistycznego wywiadu.

The biography of Jasinski would therefore suggest that he was a high-ranking Communist intelligence officer.

The links between PiS and Russian economic and political interests are certainly very interesting.
dolnoslask    
11 Jan 2016  #2
I do not see any problems with Poland building bridges and having closer ties with Russia, Interesting indeed.
BrytyjskiPolak 1 | 8    
11 Jan 2016  #3
Hahaha. No PiS is rusophobic. And that's the problem
OP delphiandomine 85 | 17,648    
11 Jan 2016  #4
Did you read the articles? There's certainly enough evidence to suggest that their Russophobia is like their anti-communism - a facade designed to cheat and manipulate the masses.
dolnoslask    
11 Jan 2016  #5
BrytyjskiPolak , I had the same thought as you, this is why this thread may get very interesting over time. keep digging delph
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,170    
11 Jan 2016  #6
It's a good article

It's a blog entry wrote by a guy working for the the Soros Foundation. Just one propagandist quoting another.

PiS is rusophobic

PiS was warning that Putin is a dangerous madman many many years ago when that guy could actually be stopped but as the mood in Europe back then was "come one, he's a just a bit authoritarian" and "true Europeans" from Germania and elsewhere were kissing his butt and making business with his crew, their "Polish" parrots were exploiting "PiS is Russophobic" line and "we need good relations with Russia" was among top priorities of the "enlightened" crowd. Now when it's proven beyond any doubt that PiS has been right on Putin for all these years and the guy is capable of triggering off full scale war in Central Europe, it's far too late to scream about "bad Putin", any responsible government in Poland should try to avoid any conflicts with Russia because If **** hits the fan again, our "allies" will likely help us as much as in 39. When PiS does it, despite Smoleńsk and all the other issues, the same parrots call them... Putin's agents. Filthy propagandists.
OP delphiandomine 85 | 17,648    
11 Jan 2016  #7
It's a blog entry wrote by a guy working for the the Soros Foundation.

Any attempt to lie and insult, eh?

Perhaps you might want to address the facts rather than commenting on who wrote the article?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,170    
11 Jan 2016  #8
Any attempt to lie and insult, eh?

I'm not you.

pl.blastingnews.com/staff/wojciech-krysztofiak/

Autor prac naukowych w czasopismach : "Synthese", "Husserl Studies", "Axiomathes", "Semiotica", "Filozofia Nauki", "History and Philosophy of Logic", "Foundations of Science"; stypendysta: The Norwegian Research Council for Science and the Humanities, The Soros Foundation-Open Society Institute; członek The Rationalist International

OP delphiandomine 85 | 17,648    
11 Jan 2016  #9
I'm not you.

Notice how you attempt to completely move the topic away from PiS and Russian interests.

Not falling for it Greggy. Why are you so keen to stop discussion about Russian interests in PiS?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,170    
11 Jan 2016  #10
Why are you so keen to stop discussion about Russian interests in PiS?

Perhaps because any "Russian interests in PiS" are invention of propagandists.
OP delphiandomine 85 | 17,648    
11 Jan 2016  #11
That sounds like the answer of someone that doesn't actually have an answer.
milky 13 | 1,657    
11 Jan 2016  #12
Putinism is now in Poland. Fact!
pweeg    
11 Jan 2016  #13
unfavourable deal,

The lowest price Poland would pay is $36. It's at $32 now.

Rip off.

Prediction that it may fall to $16
OP delphiandomine 85 | 17,648    
11 Jan 2016  #14
The lowest price Poland would pay is $36. It's at $32 now.

The interesting part is that PiS broke off talks with the Arab oil producers without any real justification or reason. Why the hurry to sign a very unfavourable deal with Russia?

Still, nice to know that we're subsidising the Russian budget through overpaying for oil products.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,170    
11 Jan 2016  #15
Utter nonsense, lies and manipulations. Quote a single expert that says anything similar to what you are spreading here. A single one.
weeg    
11 Jan 2016  #16
Price of oil $32.5, Minimum Price Poland is paying, $36

Sorry, $31.5.

I'm no expert, but I think someone has ripped off Poland.
OP delphiandomine 85 | 17,648    
11 Jan 2016  #17
With Iran about to throw oil onto the market and (as Johnny told us) America now exporting oil again, you have to wonder just how low it will go.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,170    
11 Jan 2016  #18
I'm no expert

True.

delphiandomine

Quote a single expert that says anything similar to what you are spreading here. A single one.
weeg    
11 Jan 2016  #19
True.

But I'm not stupid. I don't need an expert to tell me that 31.5 is far less than 36. Do you?
OP delphiandomine 85 | 17,648    
11 Jan 2016  #20
And we certainly don't need to be experts to understand this.

foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/01/11/oil-prices-fall-for-sixth-day
It's pretty clear that paying a minimum of $36 to Russia for all our oil needs and cutting off talks with the Arab suppliers is very much designed to ensure Russian domination over our domestic oil industry while also subsidising the Russian budget. Why?
weeg    
11 Jan 2016  #21
Hey at least the the PiS crony appointed as the head on the Oil company can legitimately say he has absolutely no idea about running an oil company or negotiating an multi billion dollar oil contract.

Not a thief, F***ing clueless idiot. Perfect defence at his trial.

"I negotiated a $6.5 billion oil contract two weeks after changing jobs from licking envelopes at PiS head quarters and two weeks before the price of oil halved in price.

I screwed Poland out of $3 billion in a fortnight."

That will look good on his CV.
Harry    
11 Jan 2016  #22
Perfect defence at his trial.

He won't present any defence at all. He'll just get the trial over with asap so he can be pardoned by the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski's puppet before the next presidential election.
OP delphiandomine 85 | 17,648    
11 Jan 2016  #23
"I negotiated a $6.5 billion oil contract two weeks after changing jobs from licking envelopes at PiS head quarters and two weeks before the price of oil halved in price."

Where's Greggy when you need someone to present an abusive defence of why this incompetent idiot signed such a terrible deal?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,170    
12 Jan 2016  #24
But I'm not stupid.

True. You are either total imbecile or simply a propagandist. Again, why don't you quote a single expert that says anything similar to what you are spreading here ? You friggin "oil experts" know that Poland "lost billions" and the whole world keeps quite about it ?
jon357 64 | 14,382    
12 Jan 2016  #25
designed to ensure Russian domination over our domestic oil industry while also subsidising the Russian budget. Why?

A lot of people are asking this at the moment. Basically another mess caused by PiS with (and this seems to be happening more and more) all the advantage to Russia.
pweeg    
12 Jan 2016  #26
You friggin "oil experts" know that Poland "lost billions" and the whole world keeps quite about it ?

The whole world knows the current oil price ($32) what Poland paid ($36+) and the difference ($4). The Whole World doesn't need an expert to tell them how much Poland is losing when it buys tens of millions of barrels per year.

If you need an 'expert' here are some predicting $20 oil. As posted by Delph but you seemed to have become blind

Foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/01/11/oil-prices-fall-for-sixth-day.html
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,170    
12 Jan 2016  #27
current oil price ($32)

Holy ****. That's the price for market speculations, when you actually want to deliver something, there goes costs of pipelines, ships, storage and x others.
Wulkan - | 3,255    
12 Jan 2016  #28
blastingnews? HAHA, give me a break
Crow 143 | 7,407    
12 Jan 2016  #29
Poland is absolutely right to make deals on energy with Russia. Why not? One Germany for example extremely depend on Russian natural gas. Germans don`t hesitate to buy it from Russians, no matter at the same time, enormous German investments in new technologies on the field of energy.

Now, why would Poland exclude itself from business with Russians? It would be idiotic from numerous aspects. Sure, Russia would know to appreciate loyal business partners. Anybody sane respect its good business partners.
pweeg    
12 Jan 2016  #30
when you actually want to deliver something, there goes costs of pipelines, ships, storage and x others.

Pretty much the same whether you pay $36 or $31


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