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Poland's post-election political scene


nothanks - | 667    
15 Dec 2015  #211
People don't want sensitivity and political correctness. People want TRUTH
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
15 Dec 2015  #212
Of course they don't. If they did, they wouldn't vote for political parties, because it's obvious that they cannot keep a lot of their promises.
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
15 Dec 2015  #213
sensitivity

Both sensitivity and firm resolve were reflected in PM Szydło's address to the nation on Tuesday evening, and she poitned out things I have felt right along.

"In oru culture it is accepted that a new governmetn gets 100 days to impelment its first mesasures. We were not given that time. PO proved incapable of rising above (party) divisiosn," Szyadło said. "Today thse shoting the loudest are in actualtiy defending onyl theri own itnerests. PO wanted the make TK their interests' last bastion of defence, They wanted to stop the 'Family 500' proejct, lowering retirement age and taxation of banks and hypermarkets. For the interest groups that enrichedd themselves at the expense of Poles recent years have indeed been a golden age, but it has come to and end." The PM added Christmas was coming and should be a time of reconcilitoan and forgiveness."
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
15 Dec 2015  #214
The problem is that PiS drew attention to themselves with the TK mess. Had they left it alone, it's very difficult to see how the TK could have stopped the bank tax, 500zł per child or lower retirement ages. In fact, the TK would have been thoroughly discredited had they attempted to stop any of those policies and PO would've been left looking useless.

This is just the old PiS way of doing things - blaming everyone but themselves. A well-run government would have focused on PR-friendly policies in the first 100 days and avoided getting involved in any scandals.
Grzegorz_ 52 | 6,181    
16 Dec 2015  #215
Still waiting for your aerial pictures of the PiS march on Sunday, by the way.

There's a damn load of videos and pictures online, clearly showing that it was much bigger than the march of expats.
youtube.com/watch?v=0qfz8zCJDqI

it's very difficult to see how the TK could have stopped

They could stop anything and they would. PO's fascist didn't break the constitution for nothing.
mafketis 16 | 6,286    
16 Dec 2015  #216
For the interest groups that enrichedd themselves at the expense of Poles recent years have indeed been a golden age, but it has come to and end."

This implies that anyone who has been successful over the last 8 years is a criminal enriching themselves at the expense of other people - vulgar marxism.

The PM added Christmas was coming and should be a time of reconcilitoan and forgiveness."

And what will she ask forgiveness for?
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
16 Dec 2015  #217
I hope for the army on the streets

Only a crazed poltical fanatic hoping his side win at all costs to the nation and country could advocate a situation that could well lead to armed conflict and a bloodbath. You are sick in your zoological hatred towards PiS. As much as I dislike and distrust them, I would say let the Tusks and Petrus keep serving their foreign corporate masters at Poland's expense if that could avert a physical confrontation of unknown consequences.

with the TK mess

... conceived and stage-directed by PO. It appears to have been a deliberate trap designed to unleash confusion, chaos and unrest which would harm the new government even before they won the election. PO knew they could count on vicious smear tactics from the Michnikite synagogue and that would get picked up and widely publicised by the Western leftstream media.

The bottom line is the prevailing thesis that Poland must be ruled only by a pro-corporate political formation (KDL, UD, UW; PO, Nowoczesna). All the pro-democracy rhetoric is but a smoke-screen because if pro-corporate forces are ever threatend, even the voters' veridct can be undermined and overturned by hook or by crook!
G (undercover)    
16 Dec 2015  #218
Soon they will be calling for "EU army" to step in.
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
16 Dec 2015  #219
EU army

First they'll have to create one. But they could always call in NATO forces to overthrow the democratcially elected Polish government.
To blokes like Delph it's only a game. He missed martial law so this could provide a little excitement to watch from the sidelines. Disgusting!
mafketis 16 | 6,286    
16 Dec 2015  #220
It appears to have been a deliberate trap designed to unleash confusion, chaos and unrest

It was possibly a trap set up by PO with bait they knew Kaczynski could not resist, and.... he couldn't. Are they to blame for knowing their enemy's weakness?

But if he had simply accepted the three legitimately selected members of the TK and chosen two of their own then PiS would be able to try to implement their program. How much of their program is against the constitution, anyway?

My new theory - JK is deathly afraid of success and keeps sabotaging himself so that he can retreat back into the warm safety of failure that he can blame others on (aided by a network of enablers). Now the PiS program is stalled (due to a major own goal) and Polish society is more divided than ever and Poland's economic progress (clear to anyone who actually lives here) is threatened.

Many supporters of PiS seem to be like the dog in the manger (or gardener's dog in Polish) they'd rather everbody was equally poor than have a society where some are more successful than others.
G (undercover)    
16 Dec 2015  #221
It was possibly a trap set up by PO with bait they knew Kaczynski could not resist, and.... he couldn't.

It was a trap and If Jaro "could resist" the TK's PO operatives would paralyze the government. The way it works, they can block anything according to their very own "interpretations".
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
16 Dec 2015  #222
My new theory - JK is deathly afraid of success

Before open street clashes erupt which Delph says he looks forward to, he can amuse himself by dreaming up and toying wtih different theories like this one. That Delph's a real sicko!
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
16 Dec 2015  #223
How much of their program is against the constitution, anyway?

All of the taxation/social measures are absolutely not against it. The only thing is that they might be pulled up on breaking the 60% debt limit, so the TK would prevent them from preparing a budget which shows that. It's just the usual excuse by PiS for not fufilling promises - they always blame everyone else for their problems.

But most importantly, the TK will stop any attempts by PiS to introduce undemocratic laws against people. They want revenge, and the TK is the only thing standing between them and revenge.

What's remarkable is that PiS supporters are absolutely adamant that the TK is partisan. Doesn't it say something about their own party if they can't even follow the Constitution?

There's a damn load of videos and pictures online, clearly showing that it was much bigger than the march of expats.

You're showing us a video from street level. Where's the aerial footage that can be collaborated with Google Maps to show the size of the crowd?
G (undercover)    
16 Dec 2015  #224
Before open street clashes erupt

Nothing will erupt. Feckers are hoping for the next maidan but it's a matter of 2-3 weeks, Facebook kids will get bored with the whole mess and lower rank political operatives will understand there's no chance to hold their inflow of taxpayers' money and will start looking for real jobs.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
16 Dec 2015  #225
Optimistic, aren't you?

Problem is, I saw the protests personally in Poznań and got reports from elsewhere, and there are a lot of older people who aren't "Facebook kids" that are very, very angry. They aren't scared of PiS, nor will they give up easily.

Don't worry Grezgorz. We promise not to go after you when PiS inevitably self-explode after Duda resigns.
G (undercover)    
16 Dec 2015  #226
So you are hoping for the next maidan ?

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OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
16 Dec 2015  #227
are very

Only goes to show that the pro-corporate fanatics have achieved propaganda skills comparable only to those of Hitler and Stalin. To convince masses of people that democracy is in danger when only their cushy pro-corporate lobbyist posts are threatened is no mean accomplishment.
mafketis 16 | 6,286    
16 Dec 2015  #228
Only goes to show that the pro-corporate fanatics have achieved propaganda skills comparable only to those of Hitler and Stalin.

No hyperbole here..... Is it impossible for you to grasp that many Polish people sincerly think that PiS is not the best option for the country? Do you always have to demonize a third (at least) of the population of the country?

Challenge: Think of a political language that proposes what you want and doesn't insinuate that somewhere between 25 and 60 per cent of Polish citizens are diabolical plotters or hapless victims of smooth talking shysters.

I don't agree with the PiS platform but that doesn't lead me to despise everyone that's ever voted for them.
G (undercover)    
16 Dec 2015  #229
Do you always have to demonize a third (at least) of the population of the country?

Does he call them mohair berates, peasants from Poland B, ant-social morons and alcoholics ?
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
16 Dec 2015  #230
sincerly think that PiS is not the best option

...As a result of the most vicious propaganda barrage (think Michnik, Petru, Kopacz, et al) in recent memory. No-one is saying repetitive high-powered propaganda doesn't work. (Think Goebbels' big lie repeated 100 times!)
G (undercover)    
16 Dec 2015  #231
mafketis

Why did you run away when I proved that majority of entrepreneurs support PiS ? Not in line with your hateful propaganda ?
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
16 Dec 2015  #232
hapless victims of smooth talking shysters

Indeed, you've hit the nail on the head. I am not demonising the bulk of the oppostion marchers as evil, only misguided having succumbed to teh shysters' extremely persuasive propaganda. It is a tiny minority (3-4%) of pro-corporate lobbyists and supportive elite that stand to lose their cushy posts and positions of influence. But they avoid mentioning that argument and instead try to pull the wool over the public's eyes with such slogans as freedom. dermocracy, constitution, TK, etc. The vast majrotiy of grass-roots demonstrators sincerely believe they are marching for democracy not to benefit some powerful pro-corporate elite!
mafketis 16 | 6,286    
16 Dec 2015  #233
The vast majrotiy of grass-roots demonstrators sincerely believe they are marching for democracy not to benefit some powerful pro-corporate elite!

Just as the vast majority of grass-roots PiS demonstrators sincerely believe they are marching for the future of Poland and not to benefit some shady pseudo-nationalist power mad elite....
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
16 Dec 2015  #234
power mad elite

You obviosly do not know what the PiS acrinym stands for:

POLAND IS SUPREME!

PETRU stands for:

P(ropaganda)
E(xtortion)
R(obbery in broad daylight)
T(reason)
U(nderhandedness).
smurf 39 | 1,994    
16 Dec 2015  #235
PETRU stands for:

This is nonsense.
G (undercover)    
16 Dec 2015  #236
So what Petru stand for ?
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
16 Dec 2015  #237
I see Greggy's spent most of today trying to deflect from the news...

Latest poll from IBRIS -

30.9% Nowoczesna.
27.3% PiS
14.4% PO
7.9% Kukiz
5.6% PSL
5.3% ZL
3.9% Korwin
1.6% Razem

PiS are now below the 30% mark that normally turns out for PiS regardless. It's pretty clear that PiS are on a downwards trend, and with more demonstrations planned all over Poland for this weekend, one has to wonder how long it will be before they back off from the anti-democratic policies
Ironside 47 | 9,250    
16 Dec 2015  #238
So what Petru stand for ?

edited told you Petru stands for nonsense.

Use proper names please

shady pseudo-nationalist power mad elite

Do you have a vested interest in supporting destabilization of Poland? Need I remind you that Poland has democratically elected and therefore a legal government?
G (undercover)    
16 Dec 2015  #239
Latest poll from IBRIS

And Bronek is going to win in the 1st round :)))))))
Harry    
16 Dec 2015  #240
the pro-corporate fanatics have achieved propaganda skills comparable only to those of Hitler and Stalin.

How surprising to see you comparing people to the Nazis. But I suppose that you are only following the example of The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski and his comments about gestapo collaborators. Perhaps you could explain why he only referred to the Poles who collaborated with the Nazis and not the Poles who collaborated with the Commies? I suppose that he wouldn't call the Poles who collaborated with the Commies "the worst kind of Poles", given that he calls some of them 'fellow party member' and called one of them 'daddy'.

I wonder how much longer PIS will attempt to demonise anybody who dares to think that the 18%-regime shouldn't be able to ignore laws and the constitution whenever it wants. Will they realise that doing that is entirely counterproductive before or after their regime falls?



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