Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland

Doesn't matter if it's comparable or not, the point is that everyone should be playing fairly, right?

I found a figure suggesting that Poland exported transport services worth 10.6bn EUR in 2015, incidentally. So... it is comparable ;)

Talking rubbish again. Britain invests 13 percent of GDP in the NHS.
Poland?
9%.
And PIS are not going to change that. It's a political decision. It's all the social handouts you see. Now, if they put in place a higher tax threshold of around 25 thousand zlotys a year for a married couple and income supplement to REALLY help the poor, then they would have my unequivocal support. But that wouldn't win votes from the idle masses now would it?

Yes, about 10% of polled people hid their true preferences. People vote PiS, e.g., for financial reasons but are embarassed of it. I view it as an optimistic sign.


PiS voters came in droves, it is estimated that nearly 100% turned up at the ballot. On the other hand, opposition supporters were too relaxed, they thought the victory would be easy to achieve so they decided not to participate. I also thought so, but we were all mistaken.

Teachers and their families weren`t enough to repel the onslaught of rural guys who hadn`t used to vote in EUropean elections before but suddenly felt like doing it. :):)


Not so completely. The coalition got more votes than polls had shown, it is not a tragic result and can be a good base for further development.

Besides, it is difficult to compete with populist policy of PiS who give away a lot of money for nothing. What should the opposition have offered? 1000 PLN for a child? Why not 2000 PLN?

maybe companies should pay the taxes where they gain revenue including in transportation which can prove a bit complicated but dumping prices because of lower costs including salaries is just a economic reality of the day - maybe Poland joining the Eurozone and one ministry of finance for all Europe is the solution but the idea is not currently popular in Poland

I needed to take a rest before those few weeks before the elections had been very busy for me. We did a lot of work which proved successful in the big city but still wasn`t enough for whole Poland.

And yes, I was a wishful thinker, because who could predict that the countryside would be awaken from their traditional EU lethargy? :):)


That is a reasonable thing to say, indeed. Respect. :)


Now I must admonish you for naivety - it is natural that PiS judiciary will fight corruption, but only for non-PiS guys. PIS members will be let off, we can already see it in a few cases (e.g., Szydło`s accident).

the opposition could have avoided stating that the original 500 plus programme is not within the financial capabilities of the state(should I bring a Rostowski meme 'Pieniędzy nie ma i nie będzie") - then it could have avoided saying that they will give 500 for the first child as well instead stating honestly that this is not in the financial abilities of the state - then possibly PiS wouldn't have come up with the extention of the programme or if Kaczyński came up with the idea anyway the opposition could with perfect honesty and responsiblity state that this is too much and we cannot afford it at least now? - your beloved opposition failed twice simple as that - btw if you find a bit of time please refer to Elżbieta Chojny-Duch (the former finance vice-minister during PO rule) testimony on VAT gap - I hope you have patience enough to confront with not so convenient truths for you


Szydło accident what? - have you witnessed it or what?


PiS has done quite a lot to fight corruption within their ranks - remember Misiewicz case or Stanisław Kogut one - they are just much more people of integrity than your beloved opposition - ever heard of Cimoszewicz running over a pedestrian (a new case) and fleeing from the site

Well, I didn`t kwik so much. I was sadenned but I fully accept the democratic verdict. Not me will be kwiking in the future when all debts will have to be paid. I have received huge benefits for the past few years and will get even more for the next few. My wife is entitled to PiS maternity pension. If that`s the will of the nation, I will happily use all those benefits to buy more property in the city and countryside. One day, when I am gone, and my kids will have to repay them, my present inventment will make it easier for them.

So, all PiS voters, remember, you are working hard so that I could invest your taxes paid to the state into nice apartments and rural summer houses. :):)


I have always been against those benefits because I am accustomed to hard work and self reliance. The only thing which I got for free from the state was education - everything else what I have is a result of my own or my family`s work. Benefits spoil people - I can see it on myself too - I became lazy and started to reduce my workin hours because 500 plus is such a nice bonus. I imagine thousands. no, millions of people are doing the same - they give up work because they prefer to depend on benefits.


Don`t be so triumphant. Nothing lasts for ever and sooner or later PiS will lose. I only fear that when it happens, Poland will be ruined. .

you are an irresponsible person - if you cared for the state of Poland's finances you would not accept or returned the benefits - hah I got you - I bet there are millions of such hypocritical opposition voters as you pawian - literally millions.


according to state statistics that I have seen recently there is currently slightly above 400 thousands of such people - and the figure takes into account both parents - meaning one can be working the other being unemployed and according to official sources it is not as all of these people stay at home just because they don't want to work - many do because of taking care of young children, taking care of elderly family member, lack of transportation to possible work places etc etc

don't judge other by your standards, a fact you can be bribed is your problem...

nah polls are often off mark, nothing less nothing more - hey PiS got more support than all the rest ...lol do you feel pain? you lost lol

Sorry, you got bullshyt, not me. :):) Go back and read my post again, to learn more.

Besides, do you know the current figures for Polish national debt? :)


That`s funny, because your fave Konfederacja lost even more. Besides, I lost politically but gained financially - more benefits! God bless PiS! I am thinking of buying a plot of land which is next to my summer house - I would like to have a small forest of my own. :):)

Not really, your PO lost big time lol

I see you are able to say that the sun shines at night or the earth is flat only to show your silly opposition. Don`t you realise how infantile it sounds? Konfederacja didn`t gain a single EP member although they had counted on a few. Zero! :):)

Yes, they are new, they haven't done badly, they were short 200 000 votes. All that money all that support from Tusk, EU, Merkel all other left parties and boom - less voters than before about few millions.

pawian - one short question - please answer quickly without looking on the interenet : what was the state budget deficit at the end of 2018?

You don't believe that for a second, do you?

But there is one slight difference :
in Poland you have to have valid 'ksiazeczke ubezpieczeniowa' to be seen by doctor. In UK half of Africa and illegal immigrants get free treatment that is why HNS will never have enough money to be run properly.

I remember it was much lower than expected. So what? That was the last year. Now, we have 2019 and new benefits. PiS are planning to increase the deficit to 3%. Instead of trying to reduce the national debt, they are fuelling it, not thinking what will happen when the economic situation in Europe worsens even more.

Not anymore. Basic primary care (i.e., GP) is now universal and free at the point of use regardless if you have insurance through the NFZ or not.


Also not true anymore since the NHS surcharge was brought in.

And what makes YOU think you are somehow better than those people?
You are disgusting.

Higher average IQ, higher average income, higher average tax contribution, lower rate of violent crime.... I can go on and on how Europeans are better than the people who come to Europe just to leech off the system that EUROPEANS created


A couple hundred pounds doesn't offset the thousands even tens of thousands that is spent on medical care for those who recently arrived in the country, many of whom are on benefits - Poles included.

I'll give you an example. My cousin went to college in UK. He got a loan for something like 9k pounds, would constantly go to the doctor since he's one of those health freaks, but didn't work and thus contributed squat. The only money he had is what family sent him. Well he decided to leave and study in Poland instead. Guess who's on the hook for all those bills now - including the 9k loan for tuition?

but but the brits had all those colonies and they feel so guilty about it, so to assuage their guilt the working class suffer whilst the elite virtue signal. Blair rapidly accelerated immigration without telling anyone, and now NHS waiting lists have skyrocketed, school class sizes have balooned, knife crime has tripled over the last decade years in london, pockets of religious extremism and third world mono-culturalism. NHS and housing for failed asylum seekers, no wonder all those people at Calais want to flee the oppressive state of France. Brexit was not just about polish immigration! no wonder dougexpol doesn't want to go back!

It is good to know what a PO voter really thinks, and by extension their neo-liberal obsessed leadership. Please do what you can so that your party can express their views to electorate more clearly. I am sure it will help the PO vote immensely.

How does it feel to have such a dishonest relative? Have you tried to convince him to be a better person?

Headline from Deutche Welle
"Poland: Where Keynes meets Jesus
The business world is not impressed with Poland's ruling PiS party's plans to boost social spending. But, whisper it softly, the project's mix of social conservatism and social democratic redistribution could be working."

Grudging respect from the most virtue signalling, anti polish media outlet in europe :) :)

No such thing, except in the heads of people who believe politicians.

How is it dishonest? He didn't lie, cheat or steal. They made the system and he used it.


No. Instead I told him to take advantage while he's there and get as much money as possible

says it all, really

So not taking advantage of a policy or some other opportunity makes one a good person? I'd argue that it makes them foolish.

skipping out on a loan is not an "opportunity" it is a scam.

Semantics. Then they shouldn't be giving loans to people who have a high probability of default, especially teenage foreigners who can get loans of 40 50k pounds which is essentially what the price tag would be if he stayed. And definitely should have a way to enforce them. They don't even know where to send him letters and statements now lololol

Nor should they allow foreigners to get tons of non emergency medical services and claim benefits and allowances - many poles receive money even though they've moved back to Poland ROFL. Poles joke that for retirement they'll just get benefits from UK, but they're actually not joking.

I look at it as a drop in the bucket of reperations that's UK owes Poland for not honoring their end of the mutual defense treaty. The EU and UK should definitely keep giving billions to Poles while we give squat in return. I think it's a good deal.