Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland

I'm not really sure it was unneeded - you don't hear objective voices because hardly anyone strives to be objective - and thus we have a war of tribes in Poland (the tribe of PiS and the tribe of 'total opposition")

We're going off topic. In summary.
PiS smashed the oppositions in the PE elections and will win the Parlamentary elections
Reforms will continue, Social spending will increase and Poles are supporting this more and more.
The Koalicja is falling apart, expect more fractures. PO has no policies, no vision and the swinging voters (the ones who matter) do not trust it

Happy days for Polish people. bad news for pom marxist and yank republican expats :)

Oh dear. If you're going to bring up Frank Taylor, shall we point out that he never actually worked for the Air Accidents Investigation Branch? He was never an investigator, and as the UK made clear, his knowledge is purely theoretical and not practical. So no, he doesn't have direct experience at all.

He didn't even have access to the source data from the crash, which rather undermines his 'expertise'. He's just a paid shill, nothing more.

In summary, it's worth pointing out that the election results are nothing like "smashing" at all. Such words belong to PiS supporters living in a fantasy land, or at least those hoping to try and get some benefits by writing this stuff online.

Opposition gets smashed was the headline in Politico.eu you clown. A respected european publication that has a a general pro brussels, anti PiS/populist line.

this sadly is true, I'm not a fan of PO (I just find them slightly less terrible than PiS)

there are massive vulnerabilities with PiS (fostering a handout culture of welfare mooches while neglecting healthcare and education and much else) but they can't really put that together into a cohesive program...

Polish political culture is reaching a crisis stage and when the crash comes.... yeah, won't be pretty.

It wasn't needed at all. Money that could have gone to improve facilities actually went on the costs of the 'reform', meaning that local governments couldn't give payrises or invest in school equipment. There was nothing additional in the budget to pay for the costs of the reform, and you can read in the report how there was a reduction in things such as 'interest circle' classes or other extracurricular activities.

nik.gov.pl/aktualnosci/reforma-oswiaty-w-czesci-sfinansowana-przez-samorzad.html

It's a terrible situation, and what it's actually done is help private schools. This isn't good: a good public schooling system is the basis of a successful society.

Do read the report gumishu. It's a terrible situation.

Because it is a time machine JK ak Stalin travels through time.

What is your problem? Smolensk's case won't be solved anytime soon as Russians refuse to hand over the evidence. Tusk's and his PO cronies are to blame for that as they were the ones that handed all of it to the Russians on a silver plater.

As for your rant about PIS. They are still 150% better than PO.

Why did PiS only request the return of the wreck once? Why didn't the submit the complaint to the ICJ despite claiming that they were going to do so?


Ah yes, typical PiS supporter, calling people "clown" when he has no arguments.

I notice you didn't actually address the points made.

I guess there is no point in asking Putin to hand it over.


I have no idea. Anyhow at this point it is immaterial. The issue here is simple, who F up and handed all evidence and power over investigation to Putin - Tusk and PO.

If you don't ask, you don't get. In this case, PiS obviously have no interest.


Except they didn't. Aren't you aware of the "Polish black box", which could only be decoded in Poland as it was a Polish device?

Don`t be silly. PiS "reforms" are called deforms, as you could already read in delph`s posts. They are not reforms but the destruction of the previous system. That`s all what PiS guys are able to do. Education is the best example. Currently, only in Warsaw, 7000 junior high school students can`t choose liceum high school because they are full. And Minister of Education claims that local councils are to blame for that. Fuk! I hate those lying bastards so much.


Yes, finally I can say it: I have always liked tough leaders like Reagan or Thatcher. They knew how to make people get down to work. :):) That is why PiS is and will always be fekkin neobolsheviks to me - politically and economically. Only in ideology they are fekking rightards. Silly mongrels. :):)


Yes, I will finally support it too! A small forest of my own is a fekkin brilliant idea.


We will see those happy years in 15-20 years` time. I can imagine those hordes of beggars hustling for a small donation in mall car parks or before churches.

Antheads doesn't see any problem with that, because as a PiS supporter, he would prefer people to not get a high school education. Education is a disease to those neobolsheviks, after all.

Even respected media need to use catchy titles to attract readers to rather boring topics. People who are not aware of such tricks are debils so stop blowing the problem out of its real proportions.


Yes, you are so right :):) but they are the only entity which is able to unite the opposition and resist PiS together. Can you imagine what would happen without them? We would really have Budapest in Poland.


It is true. PiS voters have primary or secondary school education while the opposition - mostly university.

A typical opposition voter:
female
university education
big city

PiS voter:
male
primary or secondary education
countryside

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I don't know what you are talking about. All stuff like that from the plane is in Russia. / As to asking that is you opinion.


Do they have to? What about learning a trade? Also If that is Warsaw it is most likely correct assumption that is all due to the local gov attitude, they just focus on sh..ting on Polish people and forcing LGBT BS on their kids.


You're so inconsistent that you make no sense not only in that paragraph but also in general. After all you are paid by taxpayers, so why don't you shut up about your financial acumen. You're only a soviet upstart that looks down on people, F peasant.

Totalitarian communism got imprinted into you for ever. Delph and others were right about you.


Not only communist but also debil would say that. Are you sane or drunk as usual on Saturday night? :):) Why in most posts of yours it seems you are driven by that blind fury and envy ?

That only tells me, you are not that bright.


working as a pen pusher or equally useless job that can be done by a monkey.


Those who actually do all the work that need to be done in order for things to work.

Way to go pawian, insult voters PO made an art out of it. Cunning tactic see all those people apologizing for voting different party instead of PO? They going from victory to victory = yay!

Well what a sophisticated soviet but still you don't understand terms you are using. Saying that not all people have to go down the utilitarian path and do something else that majority of their peers do I would call (and anyone who understand meaning of the terms they are using) opposite of totalitarian approach - all do the same as ordained by the central gov./

You are in fact a dumb peasant lol!


I see you don't deny that Trzaskowski introduced LGBT BS in Schools, at least he wants to.

I am amazed you don`t see the totalitarian logic in what you say,. If a student wants to attend a liceum high school ending with a final exam that leads to university education, why do you want to bar them from following this path and make them choose vocational schools instead? My 10 year old students have a better reasoning than you.

On the Polish TU-154M's, there were several data/voice recorders. One of them, the ATM-QAR/R128ENC, was a specific Polish creation, created originally by LOT engineers in 1989 who felt that the other recorders of the day didn't do a good enough job. It was partially motivated by the IL-62M crashes in 1980 and 1987, as they wanted to make sure that they had their own sources of data. It was also intended to monitor the engines of Polish planes, as this had been a significant issue after both LOT crashes. In fact, this sort of recording was ahead of its time, as it only became standard in the mid 2000's on passenger jets.

So, on the flight in question, this box was installed. The company responsible for making them, ATM, were the only ones that could decode the data. So, the box was taken to Warsaw a few days after the crash, and the contents were copied and examined by Polish experts on Polish soil. This is the box that collaborates the data recorders that were read in Moscow.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, how can you even begin to talk about the crash?


He cannot imagine a Poland being anything other than under communism. For him, keeping people stupid and uneducated is the correct path, because then they won't challenge the system.


MORE "FREE MONEY" PLEASE.

Hey, can you settle down on sth factual or not? Did he introduce or is planning it? These two grammar tenses are utterly different, if you haven`f noticed.


Yes, I am a peasant because working in the field is my hobby. But I am not dumb because I don`t vote PiS or Konfederacja.


Voice, please. :)

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My favourite political cartoon of this year, and there's plenty of competition for that prize!

It sums up the way that people sold their dignity perfectly.

Do they? Is that ordained by the system created by the ct3rnatl gov based on some ideological assumption? That is pure totalitarian/utilitarian approach.


I can, I do and I will. I'm only repeating two, obvious points.
1. The cause of the crash cannot be determined without the evidence withhold by the Russians.
2. Regardless of the cause all top people in Tusk's gov. are responsible for criminal negligence of their duty and hence guilty like hell.

I don't need to know much more about it.


Isn't that the same thing? Just a different stage. I have put it there to avoid some smartass nitpicking rather than address the issue.

Yes, Delph and pawian classless people compensating their inferiority complex by looking down on people. F peasants lol ! After all you are undermining democracy and thing yourself better than voters who didn't share your political choice. Can you be lower than that? Talking about dignity. Are you sure you don't confuse it with uppity?

He's so proud about having a university education yet the scot ended up being a teachers assistant in Poland. LOL. FYI my whole family is university educated and we support PiS. As is most of Polonia who have global perspectives an when they visit Poland regularly they knew that the PO pathology needed to be erased.

When the whole private media was against PiS, when the oppposition thought they would win and the polls had the result within 2 percent, what was the result? A eight percent difference between one party and the whole of hte opposition. yes it is a smashing.

Yet you can't actually point at very much that they've done well... what are their successes? Can you list a few of their accomplishments?

Again, very PRL of you to decide their guilt based on nothing more than what you've read in the PiS media. For someone who claims to hate Soviets so much, you seem to be incredibly keen on Soviet solutions.

As for 1., the Polish black box confirmed the data found in the other black boxes. The wreck was comprehensively examined by the Polish commission, and it says a lot about you that you're willing to believe PiS propaganda over respected investigators.


Poor you, believing everything you read on internet forums. No wonder you support PiS, though it amuses me that you won't put your money where your mouth is and actually contribute to Poland. Like typical Polonia, you know what's best for Poland.


Again, your ignorance is astonishing. The "private media" wasn't against PiS at all, but that's the narrative you've been told to believe and so you believe it. Polsat has gone rather neutral in recent times (with evidence of bias towards PiS), Super Express has been caught publishing stories that are favourable for the government (e.g. the recent story about Morawiecki), there's all the media run by PiS such as Do Rzeczy, Sieci, etc and more.

Facts are facts. They are responsible for the mess hence they are guilty. Court should establish details.


I know nothing about it. IF all the evidence would have been handed over to Poland I would heard about it. So far I haven't.

No matter how you frame it PiS won by a whooping 7%.

And even a draw would be a victory for PiS in such a specific elections as the EU parlamentary elections.

PO/KE is already collapsing after the elections.
And it doesn't cease to amaze me that those who support them are thinking of themselves as some form of an elite :-)

I myself support Konfederacja since PiS is not radical enough for my liking when it comes to immigration policy (from outside of the EU) and to much on a socialist side when it comes to economics.

Yet, if I had to choose between PiS and so called, "liberal" opposition with no plans on how to rule a country - which consists of functional idiots and chancers ruled by cynics - PiS would have my vote.

I think the only real "plan" of "liberal" opposition is adopting neomarxist inventions such as LGBT and multikulti which has already failed in the West. A truly disgusting group of political chancers.

Fortunately, they are also too dull to learn on their mistakes so they will fail again.

The thing with elections and election promises is that you have to carry them out.
What happens when hyperinflation hits Poland really badly and the money will not buy half of what it can do now.
Is it me or does no one else understand simple economics?. When wages go up (government sets minimum wage) the price of goods produced has to go up and then prices in the shops go up. People on fixed incomes (pensioners and the sick and the disabled) become worse off as their money buys less.

It really does not matter who is in Government, there will come a time when everything will collapse. Anyone, of any age who can get a better job abroad will leave (for a short time or a longer time) but then who will pay tax to pay the pensioners?

Tell that to Mr. Tusk and his PO


most people in Poland earn at least a bit more than a minimum wage anyway