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Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland


OP pawian 161 | 9,971
4 Jun 2019 #961
FYI my whole family is university educated and we support PiS

Yes, quite possible, communists had their own universities where they studied marxism and leninism. Also communist police and army could attend their universities. Congratulations. :)

Did he introduce or is planning it? Isn't that the same thing? Just a different stage.

Amazing, you constantly fail to think logically. Planning sth and actually doing it are two different things.

Tell that to Mr. Tusk and his PO

Why only PO? PiS didn`t fulfill all their promises, either.

PiS would have my vote.

That`s funny how blind you prefer to remain. You are afraid of silly LGBT and don`t see a much bigger problem - when PiS overtakes all important institutions and controls everything in Poland, we will be all lost. Not only me and my sort that is pro democratic guys. Also you and that bunch of pathetic nationalists. Don`t you uinderstand that you can only function in a democratic system? It is quite possible that one day, with courts obedient to PiS, if Korwin and company fail to cooperate with PIS as it wants, they will be imprisoned under false charges and nobody will be able to help them.
Spike31 2 | 884
4 Jun 2019 #962
You are afraid of silly LGBT and don`t see a much bigger problem

Refrase: I'm aware of the potential damage to the society that cultural marxism would bring.

when PiS overtakes all important institutions and controls everything in Poland, we will be all lost

So far I saw them clearing the army from "golden fund" generals like Mirosław Różański who enrolled to the army... in the middle of a Martial Law in Poland.

I also support clearing judiciary system from "judges" introduced to courts during communist years.

So yes, it will be lost for those people. There's no doubt about it. My only regret is that they are not as radical as Konfederacja would be in cleaning up that mess.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
4 Jun 2019 #963
I see. Like PiS, you are dreaming of having your own judges whom you could control. That is sad.
Dougpol1 33 | 3,240
4 Jun 2019 #964
FYI my whole family is university educated and we support PiS. As is most of

You should not have the vote. You have never lived here
Polonia is scum. Unless they keep their nose out of affairs that don't concern them
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
4 Jun 2019 #965
Polonia is scum.

Of course, there are positive exceptions. E.g., Admin and his mates - they also belong to Polonia,. :):)
antheads 13 | 344
5 Jun 2019 #966
You should not have the vote. You have never lived here

Yes i have

Polonia is scum.

You should hide your anti polish bigotry a bit better; No wonder your business is failing in Poland

Yet you can't actually point at very much that they've done well... what are their successes? Can you list a few of their accomplishments?

- investment in the health system has increased by 28 billion zloty compared to 2015. In comparioson to the doom and gloom by the pom-pats.
- the economy is booming.
- massive investments in public transport and infrastructure
- cutting of red tape for small business
- reducing tax fraud pepetuated by PO and their mates
- proposed no income tax for under 26s

But most importantly we are not getting any more afera tasmowa, paliwowa, vat etc, the post communist gangster clique is out of power, no more strange suicides of PM chief of staff, ex generals and smolensk navigators. The polish people are not being robbed anymore they are getting more social spending instead. No more doing deals with russia where we pay them more for gas then any other country in the europe. No more sneering at half of the polish population. Basically the country is not being fkd over, of course the bottom feeder pom-pats who are faliures in their own country, are so lost in their anti polish bigotry and hatred they fail to realise this.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
5 Jun 2019 #967
I see. Like PiS, you are dreaming of having your own judges whom you could control. That is sad.

do you not understand that the judiciary in Poland before this stint of PiS where a power unto themselves -again in which countries you see judges stealing pen-drives almost wholesale for example- one of them judges called judges a 'special caste' - the term was not made up by PiS - and you probably never went to court I guess - just read stories of their bias and arrogance if you will
Dougpol1 33 | 3,240
5 Jun 2019 #968
You should hide your anti polish bigotry

Anti-Polonia opinion. Poles who were born in Poland - sure they should have the vote.
Others? You're having a gargle. Pol Ams are always going to be Neo-con - so skewing the election.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
5 Jun 2019 #969
@gumishu

also in Poland you can't control judges if they are not willing to bend to your demands - and under PO-PSL plenty of judges were willing to comply with the line of the ruling class - one reason for this was that presidents of various court branches appointed judges to certain (vulnerable) trials - the effect was politically biased verdicts -

this goes much deeper in the past than this - there was no lustracja/vetting of the jugdes - and from the onset of Polish 'liberty' new judges were appointed by bodies who were controlled by ... judges (mostly the representatives of presidents of court branches)

one of the effects was that some judges were so bent on hurting the opposition (mainly PiS) that people like judge Łączewski (and example of 'rozgrzany sędzia") passed prison sentences for PiS politicians (the case of Lepper and afera gruntowa) - and this after three previous judges didn't see any offence in the case

- some judges also prevented conviction of PO members (like for example Beata Sawicka case) on absurd grounds (in Beata Sawicka case the judge who ruled over the case used a legal rule (instytucja prawa) that is not accepted in Polish law at all ('the rotten fruit" rule) to aquit the PO politican

FYI my whole family is university educated and we support PiS

you are a vile person pawian with a 'urojenie wyższościowe' at that
mafketis 21 | 7,456
5 Jun 2019 #970
No more sneering at half of the polish population

PiS supporters do plenty of sneering at the over 50% of the population that does not vote for PiS...

in Poland you can't control judges if they are not willing to bend to your demands

And the answer to that is to have judges that rule however the government tells them to? Really?
gumishu 11 | 5,017
5 Jun 2019 #971
this was the case with PO rule - not much now - and I don't believe it will be a case in the future if PiS controls the government
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
5 Jun 2019 #972
this was the case with PO rule - not much now

hahaha for that PO rule.Those lies could be funny if they weren`t pathetic. As for not much now, it is only because judges hold strong and don`t let PiS subdue them so easily. The fight for independent judiciary goes on!

I don't believe it will be a case in the future if PiS controls the governme

Sorry but your beliefs are worthless in case of PiS neobolshevik bandits.

you are a vile person pawian

hahaha you are incredible. I sometimes visit various people on Sundays and staying long, I have a chance to watch the PIS evening news. You are following the same pattern of black propaganda. It seems you have soaked with it. :):)

Gumishu, why don`t you admit you are one of those PiS guys here in Poland? Are you a politician? Or a journalist who works in Polish language PiS propaganda department. Do you participate in the Polish forums for fun, language training or they also pay you for that?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,473
6 Jun 2019 #973
Oh please the **** that Po pulled when they were in power pales in comparison to any "scandal" of pis. Poles realize that and that's why theyre the most popular party and demolished Po at the eu elections. The middle and lower middle classes are sick of the globalist Po who sell their country out to Germans and brussels. A handful even have German last names. And poles sure as hell don't want the LGBT agenda that Po tacitly supports.

Polonia is scum

So people like pjp2, Pulaski, Curie, Chopin, and all the Polish fighters who saved England from the luftwaffe due to the ineptitude of british pilots etc are scum to you just because they reside outside of Poland? There's almost as many if not more poles living abroad than in the country. How about wyborczas michnik seeing as he resides in new York? In his case I would agree with you he is scum.

Seeing as you are an expat from your home country that makes you no different than the polonia residing abroad.
Crow 137 | 7,754
6 Jun 2019 #974
Polonia is scum

Not truth. Brat Corey Lewandowski and Co. play on Serbian card. Pan Lewandowski prolonged his venerable hand and financing Serbian Milorad Dodik that is now President of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Bosnia is again seen as Serbian land, as it is proper, and not as Muslim land. See?
gumishu 11 | 5,017
6 Jun 2019 #975
pawian you are not a supporter of anything from what I can gather - you are just anti-PiS - Lenin deemed such people 'useful idiots' - it's because of such people as you that Kaczyński decided to take a dangerous probably a fatal turn for Poland with extending 500 plus to all children - I never seen you write anything critical of the opposition especially when they used to form the government (maybe I have a short memory though who knows)

why don`t you admit you are one of those PiS guys here in Poland?

I'm just a guy who reads a lot on the internet since about 2005 and can connect things into a broader picture who just happens to know some English - I was interested in politics before as well but I was Korwin-Mikke supporter for a very long time - I just somehow grew out of Korwin - I am also not uncritical of everything PiS does - so far they did nothing that hurt the little guy in this land - this however can change drastically now as PiS went apeshit with social spending - this is to a big part due to the ungrateful who don't go to vote for PiS staying in power and maintaining 500 plus in the original form or the hypocrits who never got nothing from PO, receive 500 plus and still hate PiS - I don't say you belong to either group - in my view you are just not informed well enough.

PiS didn`t fulfill all their promises, either.

PiS fulfilled at least half of their promises - among them the most costly to the budget - name a PO promise that has been fulfilled (ok there was one finishing the stadiums for 2012 - imagine what would happen if they failed this)

pawian, I'm sorry that I called you a useful idiot - I just don't understand how one can be a PO (or whatever you call it) voter - I guess it goes both ways and you have doubts how can a literate person support PiS
Crow 137 | 7,754
6 Jun 2019 #976
Speaking of Pan Corey Lewandowski in context of election process in Poland, one have to have in mind that Pan Corey have very close relationship with noble US President Trump. In other words it means that Pan Corey invests in Bosnian Serbs with consent of President Trump.

And what official Poland doing? Official Poland play on German flute, works against President Trump. Now, considering programmed Poland`s anti-Russian stance it means that official Poland prefer Germany over both- US and Russia. How this is wise is behind my comprehension.

In any case, I now more easily can understand why Serbia got middle finger from official Poland, when even US and Russia got it. Actually, when even Polonia got it. So no, not that there are historical reasons for Serbia to receive middle finger from Poland. Not any reason. Its rather that policy of official Poland strictly depend on Germany but also on France.

Chose wisely on elections Poles. Great turmoil will yet to happen in Europe.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
6 Jun 2019 #977
it's because of such people as you that Kaczyński decided to take a dangerous probably a fatal turn

No, really? are you suggesting I should not object PiS because of me and my sort Kaczyński introduced another 500+. ??? hahahaha

I never seen you write anything critical of the opposition especially when they used to form the government (maybe I have a short memory)

Yes, you should definitely improve your memory with some mental exercises or medicine. Check where you wrote that post as one of the first participants :):)

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-failures-tusk-government-51598/#msg1115814

'm just a guy who reads a lot on the internet since about 2005

Hey, it`s just like me! The only difference is that I didn`t grow on Korwin - I have always considered him a clown. I grew on Gazeta Wyborcza when I didn`t have the Net. :):)

in the original form or the hypocrits who never got nothing from PO

Actually, my memory is much better than yours. E.g., PO introduced the family tax return, I received a lot of money a few days ago. :):)

You also said I am not informed - sorry, since the day when I learnt to read at the age of 5, I have been compulsively reading everything what I managed to lay my hands on. :):)

As for being sorry for calling me a useful idiot - forget it, I don`t feel offended at all. :):)

As for naming a PO promise that has been fulfilled, if you like reading, check this out: 46 promises fulfilled, 55 unfulfilled.

demagog.org.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Raport-obietnice-wyborcze-PO-PSL-20113.pdf

Do you think PiS score will be better? Probably yes. But what about the results? I haven`t seen your comments on education reform yet.

As for having doubts how a literate person can support PiS, yes, I must say it always puzzles me how educated intelligent people are not able to see that PiS act like neobolsheviks. I have always hated communism and PiS methods are so similar that I wonder if that deja vu is for real or if somebody should wake me up from that nightmare.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,473
7 Jun 2019 #978
Gazeta Wyborcza

Poor choice. Michnik = scum who hates Poland and who's family killed AK soldiers

literate person can support PiS, yes,/.....educated intelligent people are not able to see that PiS act like neobolsheviks.

You won't understand. Polish people genuinely like PiS policies. They appreciate that PiS stands up to the EU and does its best to get good deals from the EU while protecting the country's sovereignty so they don't completely rip the country off. Unlike PO. For Christ sakes Tusk is Merkel's lapdog!!! On top of it they appreciate the patriotic message and strengthening Poland militarily, the church, traditional values and conservatism, etc. Majority of Poles simply don't want that. Plus the youth is more nationalistic now too and getting politically active.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,558
7 Jun 2019 #979
Polish people genuinely like PiS policies.

Spot on mate!
mafketis 21 | 7,456
7 Jun 2019 #980
Polish people genuinely like PiS policies

Then why don't more than 50% vote for them? PiS has a committed voting block of 30-35 % that they keep by talking about the scary EU (while quietly folding to EU demands) and scary migrants (while handing out work visas to culturally alien peoples like candy).

They've also essentially bought a section of the electorate through entitlement handouts... it's working for the time being but when it comes crashing down (because it's unsustainable) remember that you were cheering for it and won't have to live in the aftermath...

If Polish people genuine like PiS policies then why did they lose so many województwa (and lose in cities like Wrocław where they only got 30% of the votes)?
Dougpol1 33 | 3,240
7 Jun 2019 #981
that makes you no different than the polonia residing abroad

I wouldn't vote by proxy for the politics of a country I have never visited. Some of us have principles.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
7 Jun 2019 #982
Poor choice. Michnik = scum who hates Poland and who's family killed AK soldiers

I can`t help it that if I were to choose, I would trade one Michnik scum for one thousand rightard/nationalist scums. It is not my fault - I was born that way:):)

Besides, you shouldn`t mention family because then we might start investigating the case of Kaczyński family who enjoyed suspicious priviliges from communists in the darkest stalinist times. So, watch out, bringing up family is a slippery topic. :):)

You won't understand. Polish people genuinely like PiS policies

Wow, I can see progress in your way of thinking (contrary to Milosław, who is an educational failure:):) ). You have stopped implying that the majority of Poles prefer PiS.

However, you still need to improve your statistics, e.g, you should have added "some" before Poles in your sentence. Why? Out of 30 million Poles entitled to vote, about 6.5 million voted PiS in the last elections. I hope you are able to calculate the percentage and in result will understand that saying Polish people genuinely like PiS policies is a bit far fetched?

does its best to get good deals from the EU while protecting the country's sovereignty

Of course not. They are unable to get good deals because they are hopelessly anti European despite sucking the EU so nobody serious will ever discuss things with such mendacious losers. E..g, they have lost the deal with Polish truckers on European roads.

For Christ sakes Tusk is Merkel's lapdog!

It is only your rich imagination. Or, you also have nightmares about them? :):)

As for strengthening Poland militarily, it is just another fake news. They are only TALKING about it, not doing. I mean the modernisation of the Polish army. If you mean Fort Trump, that is another matter.

As for the youth getting nationalistic and politically active. You have been repeating the same urban story for the 10th time. Can you bear in mind at last that the youth are not interested in politics, e.g., only 27,6% took part in the latest ballot?

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114884,24831176,wybory-do-europarlamentu-2019-mlodzi-polacy-nie-poszli-do-urn.html
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,473
7 Jun 2019 #983
Then why don't more than 50% vote for them?

Right wing parties do. Kukiz plus konfederacja plus pis exceed 50% and during 2015 election pis plus kukiz exceeded 50%. Most Polish people are conservative and traditional that's the bottom line. Hell Po is often more right wing than the American RINOs and cuckservatives.

So, watch out, bringing up family is a slippery topic. :):)

Yawn. Idc if they were jaruzelskis right hand man. I'd salute them for rising to prominence during a difficult time in Poland. Then they'd probably have a great political career just like all the other PO dudes who were prl functionaries.

It is only your rich imagination.

Please everyone knows PO sells out to the EU with Tusk leading the way. They act like the eus *****. That's precisely why people chose pis to represent them in the eu.

They are only TALKING about it, not doing.

Have you not seen how military spending has increased and all the deals they're doing now like with the f35?

Can you bear in mind at last that the youth are not interested in politics, e.g., only 27,6% took part in the latest ballot?

Youth in most countries don't vote. Far more seniors and oldr people do . It's the same in the usa. That doesn't change the fact that the youth are right wing and nationalistic.
Ironside 48 | 9,892
7 Jun 2019 #984
I wouldn't vote by proxy for the politics of a country I have never visited.

What make you think that is the case? People that are voting are actually those who were born in the country and are holders of a Polish passport. Not that many of those. Other cases are just not that great from what I know. I heard Jews in Israel can get Polish passport easily - did you mean them> ?

I would trade one Michnik scum for one thousand rightard/n

Well it just tell us what kind of soviet scum you are. Disgusting.
Atch 17 | 2,913
7 Jun 2019 #985
Kukiz plus konfederacja plus pis exceed 50%

But it doesn't matter,because individually the first two are not capable of winning an election, nor could they successfully form a coalition with PIS. Even Kaczyński draws the line at that.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,473
7 Jun 2019 #986
That's not the point. The point is that the majority of poles vote for right wing parties.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,719
7 Jun 2019 #987
That's good. But by using the term "right wing", you are giving the leftists a chance to call them "right wingers" meant as an insult. It's patriotic or centrist, not right wing.

We should make every attempt to make the globalist leftists look like sick freaks on the margins that they are.
mafketis 21 | 7,456
7 Jun 2019 #988
the majority of poles vote for right wing parties.

Although a majority of Wrocławians voted for K...

There's not a general drift to the right but rather a country split right down the middle with the cities mostly abandoning PiS (even in the cities in the east where they did win it was very close).

And the whole EP campaign was pretty uninspiring - PiS convincing its frightened burak base that anyone else will steal 'their' money from the government and the KE unable to formulate any kind of real positive alternative...

Like I've said - the democracy threshhold...
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
7 Jun 2019 #989
Disgusting.

In your case, I would trade one Michnik for 5000 scums like you. :):) Because you are... never mind, I know you fully realise what you are. :):)

The point is that the majority of poles vote for right wing parties.

My,my, here we go again. Did you lose your calculator? Can you use the online one? All 7 million right wing voters out of 30 million entitled creates a very lousy majority. Did you have maths at school at all?

It's patriotic or centrist, not right wing.

Stop kidding. Patriotic centre is me. Right wing sounds like an insult not without a reason - just like a concubine did in times when open marriages were frowned at - some words easily evoke negative emotions because they represent disgusting contexts. No one can deny that most right wingers and their views provoke disgust. :):)
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
7 Jun 2019 #990
That`s wonderful, more please, laughter is the best medicine (even before trees) :):):)

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