Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland

Poles love dem gibs! Always got dey hand out for de gibs!

So who deleted the recordings from the car`s computer so that it is impossible today to establish whether the convoy carrying the Prime Minister used sirens or not? PiS is covering those drivers and bodyguards.


Of course not. Have you dropped from the moon and hit your head hard? :):) PO and Coalition must lie as blatantly as PiS and their supporters. Only then they can win next elections. PiS has been lying like mad dogs since 2014 at least and look at their wonderful results. PO must simply follow the example. One of the reasons of their lower support is that they are too honest and avoid lying. I hope it will change soon. They need to defeat PiS with its own weapon. :):):)


Do you mean PiS controlled state media, mostly TVP? Yes, it is true, now you hit the nail on the head.

Dirk, tell him to regulate the situation. The UK Student Loans Company uses local contractors to find those that haven't paid, and they've been taking people to court for the full amount owed. They get the court orders in the UK, and enforcement is handled by Polish courts. I don't know how it is in the US, but here, once you get a court order against someone for debts, they can just hunt through databases and seize whatever assets you have, or put a universal block on any funds that you have in bank accounts.

He won't have to pay a thing if he earns less than 60k PLN/year. It's not worth hiding from, especially as the debts don't get cancelled for a long time (25 years now?).

If they can't find him in Poland because he's not registered, then the court appoints a kind of 'representative' so that the missing person can be sued.

Even if they find him and sue him he has no assets or income so they wouldn't get anything.

So.... not only dishonest, but a failure as well. I bet there's not many happy conversations about that dishonest loser at family reunions....

Problem is the people who would switch their vote do not believe PO on whatever they say on social spending. So that is why they have not bothered to introduce any new program in their three years of opposition. They are a souless vacous bunch. Long may it continue

the last thing on earth poland needs is a bidding war on buying votes through handouts... that would be more destructive than communism, PiS is trying to bankrupt the country to buy votes from the uninformed and/or feckless, the last thing on earth any other party needs to do is help them

Poland might be meeting the problem of the democracy threshhold...

You are underestimating fail of KE. KE is coffin for KE parties and PIS effectively hanged them on it because it was very very easy for them just to show in TV that KE supports gay kids adoption, is hostile to church etc even if most of those parties do no support it. Secondly their whole shtick is that they are against PIS and people ain't buying it.

Now when parliamentary elections will happen PIS will just use that and will beat dead horse that PO is pro gay adoption, pro immigrants etc.

Effectively there will be no concrete opposition to them. PO self hanged itself and had no leaders after Tusk murdered his concurents, SLD is wreckage and Miller isn't liked. Rest of parties are failtures and can't even muster any policy plan. Wiosna seems to have plan but they are left wing and Poles hate radical left wing like them. Funnily enough Biedron which heads that party has huge chance for President seat and this might be a way for them to push more people into parliament.

So it is not like PIS makes amazing policies etc. It is just that opposition has no plan nor policies much like in Hungary.
They basically all ride on this feeling that Poles will get tired of PIS and propaganda will work but it didn't so far and more and more Poles like their version of politics.

What fail? The results show that PiS would have only 232 seats in the Sejm. A slight move to KE or Biedroń and they'd lose their majority, so in fact, this can't be presented as a win for PiS.

You're underestimating how d'Hondt works.

Break open the piggy bank for more gibs..

It is true that the opposition has been useless in formulating policies, I'd like to see a bunch of pro-work policies rather than handouts for moocher that PiS is fond of...

What kind of pro work policies ? Unemployment is very low and quality of employment is going up - I.el more people on umowa piracy.

I think it is now time to spend some of the money from the economic boom on hospitals and schools and public services. Would be good for one of the main parties to say that,

The situation in both is dire in terms of funding. Local governments were left with huge bills from the educational deform, and it meant they didn't have money to actually spend on schools. In many places, former gimnazjums were transformed into primary schools, so you've ended up with schools that were designed for 13-16 year olds being used for kids as young as 7.

PiS have essentially spent everything on handing out FREE MONEY and neglected both schools and hospitals as a result.

Did anyone see the tvn 24 story on SORy the other day? Among other things they described how PiS's brilliant plan to shorten waiting times was a spectacular failure... why don't other parties take advantage of PiS's massive failures (which happen all the effin' time)?

I'm afraid that the public health service system is in such a bad state that neither party would have had the courage to introduce substantial improvements to it.

Well it needs to bring public investment more in line with other countries instead of the miserly funds it gets now.... oh wait, the money that should be going to improve healthcare is going to handouts for PiS voters! just like money for improving schools went to an unneeded and unwanted "reform"...

PiS is just wasting massive amounts of money that could be used much more productively... but buying votes is their only program anymore

First PiS will complete their program of getting people out extreme poverty and then over the next five years will turn their social spending towards investment in health and education. You can see this trend already in their housing and public transport investment. Whilst PO over their next 5 years will spin their wheels in outrage and helping the population instead of their post communist clique. Its perfect. Hang up the bunting!

will spin their wheels in outrage at helping the population instead of their post communist clique.

There is no extreme poverty in Poland that isn't accompanied by extreme pathology...


Not how it works, once you've trained voters to expect handouts all you can do is keep on crossing their palms with silver...


Post communism is great! If you use 'post communist' as an insult you want to go back to 1988. Post communism is far better than the neo-PRL patronage system of PiS!

But of course in Britain it's different Another anti-polish bigot. Blaming the poor for the existence of poverty? Stay Classy. PO supporters are not different from Thatcher supporters.

I'm from the US which has far worse poverty than anything on offer in Poland... How did the disastrous educational "reform" help lift anyone out of poverty? How did the wild goose Smolensk case lift anyone out of poverty?

Oh so youre part of the 20-30 percent of Polonia that does not support the social spending policies of PiS, a 'self hating' Pole if you will :) You must be popular at family gatherings :)

I'm not Polish, I'm an American (living in Poland for many years)

apologies for the mis-identification, i stand by my first comment but will rephrase, a PO supporter is no different from a Reagan supporter. :) You have an american view towards Social welfare and public healthcare etc, thats fine. But youre in europe now, we have different values.

Housing? I see you were quick to swallow the propaganda. Perhaps you should begin by reading this: money.pl/gospodarka/mieszkanie-karczewski-przyznaje-ze-program-nie-idzie-dobrze-6385886141905025a.html - even PiS themselves are admitting that it's been a failure.

Public transport? You mean the way that it was promised to be 800m, now it turns out to be only 300m? Still, perhaps you prefer this - nczas.com/2019/05/10/pis-swoje-zycie-swoje-padl-ostatni-panstwowy-pks-na-pomorzu-zachodnim/ - ah yes, PiS were very quick to help public transport ;)


Let's begin by looking at the NIK report into schools, shall we? As we can read, it was poorly prepared and has resulted in significant costs for local governments.

nik.gov.pl/aktualnosci/reforma-oswiaty-w-czesci-sfinansowana-przez-samorzad.html

Perhaps you prefer to talk about hospitals?

prawo.pl/zdrowie/wzrasta-zadluzenie-szpitali-dane-za-2018-r,385528.html

Oh, hospital debt in 2018 increased by 600m złoty. 5000 beds vanished over a short period of time, too.

Ah, the glorious successes of PiS. 500zł a month won't make up for failing hospitals, public transport, schools and more.

They haven't met their targets, but construction will accelerate over the next five years. It's a reformist goverment and reforms take time. What did PO do in this regard ? Sweet FA


Some small town PKS company goes bankrupt and what has that got to do with anything? PiS public transport policy in addition to the big cities will subsidise mainly private operators in regional areas to increase connectivity. That pro small business policy i was talking about.

Not only have they failed to meet their targets, what was built was also garbage. They were built to really low standards, including severe problems with installations. They were also priced at a commercial level, contrary to the initial promises.


Everything, if you're boasting about how PiS are investing in public transport.

Let's not forget this story from Lower Silesia, which was reported all over the internet: tulegnica.pl/artykul/koleje-dolnoslaskie/648633

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

As for "Reform taking time", how long have we been waiting for the "truth" about Smoleńsk? Nearly 4 years?

The truth about the assasination of Abraham Lincon, Sikorkski, Kennedy, Dag Hammarskjöld, Olof Palme is still disputed, no matter how much evidence is presented.In the smolensk case, no matter how many academics present evidence, inteligence proffessionals leak there will never be certainty, but it constantly amazes me seemingly inteligent people accept a 30cm birch tree branch would chop of a wing of a tupelov, set aside the proffesional academic reports and physics simulations , all it takes is a few brain cells and common sense.

It amazes me that you're willing to believe unqualified politicians over professional accident investigators. For a start, the tree was 30-40cm in diameter, while the plane was travelling at above 250km/h. If you hit that tree in a car, you'd be in a world of trouble. Still, can you tell us why Macierewicz's sub commission didn't bother to visit Russia to see the crash site for themselves?


Which professional academic reports and simulations? Can you provide the data they used? No? That's strange, because academia is all about providing your data so that others can run the same simulations and tests.

Tell us, where were these professional academic reports published? In which journals? At which conferences were these papers presented?

A few brain cells and common sense will tell you that an accident investigation "commission" comprised of people with no aviation experience and no history of investigating accidents probably is formed for political purposes and not for any other purpose.

Of course, as we're on the Smolensk topic, it wouldn't be right to discuss it without discussing the latest revelation.

natemat.pl/274649,kiedy-zwrot-wraku-tupolewa-msz-pokazalo-dane-o-notach-dyplomatycznych

As it turns out, the PO-PSL government formally asked 11 times for the return of the wreck. The PiS government? Once.

Combined with the failure to actually send the complaint to the International Court of Justice that they announced in 2017, it seems that PiS don't actually want the wreck to return. Why?

Your only arguument against air accident investigator Frank Taylor, who agreed with the Smolensk explosion theory was that he was a 'troublemaker' some arguement! He has direct experience dealing with exploded airliners. The miller commision was politicaly motivated as many of the strange events that occured prove. (the guy who was fired for asking the americans for help etc) so pot calling kettle black