Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland

the hypocrisy of the Pom-pats is astounding, they denounce the social welfare policies of PiS, yet praise the succsessfull social welfare policy of the NHS. They condemm Cameron introducing zero hour/trash contracts yet stay silent or preach doom when Pis abolishes them. If Corbyn were to raise pensions and child payemnts they would have orgasms of glee (pity their polish wives don't have the same opportunity) yet when PiS does it it will bankrupt the nation and the reciepients are greedy, backward zombies. Some of us have not forgotten that PO had a very healthy economy and refused to spend any of the gains on social welfare and doing what any goverment that is not in thrall to neo-liberalism would do. Yet it was the catholic conservatives that introduced reforms that move poland towards being a more egalitarian society. I get it to a certain extent , i vote labour in australia and PiS in Poland, because thats because their economic policies are aligned, and for me economic egalitarian issues are the most important, it seems for the Pom-pats on this forum its their hatred of Catholics, their love of Marx and general bigotry towards the Polish people

Ditto! Well done, it is a great post.

Neither of you seem to grasp the obvious. Which is that the UK is the worlds' fifth largest economy.
Poland isn't.
Of course, it's not your money that PIS are PIS-sing against the wall.

Who's denouncing social welfare policies? People are denouncing transparent 'free government money for votes' politicking...

I think Poland needs/deserves a better social safety net but that's not what 500+ (or extra pension payments) are about. It's pure PRL patronage.

Don't expect someone on the other side of the world to understand that.

Exactly, what we think about your knowledge of the USA since you never have been here. All you are capable of doing is googling and then regurgitate it back onto this forum with a trollish twist.

How many hours per day do you spend on this forum?

Get a life loser!

But 26th per person.
What the rank number does not show is what we call the balls. Adjust for that and that 5th place will not look that awesome. That concept - I am mean the balls factor - applies to the EU, not just the UK. Russia has them. And so does Israel. Not Europe.

You're not experts on the economy. So that is only your opinion. In the context it looks a lot like hypocrisy.

True.Those are the IMF stats.
But I have to question those figures.
How do Ireland score so highly?
The Irish are probably the laziest nation in The British Isles!

PiS social welfare policies are about giving people who live at the socioeconomic bottom a little extra to make their lives more comfortable, as well as reducing inequity between the regions and the cities.. 500+ isin't even means tested, so how is it giving money to a favored group? You are confusing/prioritising the sopoused motive of a policy with its instrumentality. You are ignoring the vast social benefits of 500+ , goverment built housing, increases in public transport spending, pro small business etc etc to inpune motives and score cheap political points, .

"I think Poland needs/deserves better protections for its LGBT minority but that's not what Wiosna's policies are about It's pure PRL patronage" See how ridiculous your point sounds when when the retargeted?

According to Eurostat (the European Commission's official stats) in terms of labour productivity per hours worked, Ireland is the hardest working nation in the EU. EU average is 100, Ireland scores 187, the UK 100.2 So put that on your needles and knit it - oh wait, you're probably too lazy :))

Ha ha ha, not good news for Brits, especially Tory Brits. Margaret Thatcher must be turning around in her grave ...

That is laughable!
The Irish in England are grafters, but not back home.........
I have seen similar stats on French productivity too, also a joke!

You live in Australia don't you? So you think that business ZUS is in any way fair or helping small business? Clueless at best. Go and toss for it. You are some silly person of Polish heritage who has a silly view of your "home" country but who contributes nothing.

Lots of banks are already moving some operations to Dublin so presumably they are confident they will find hard workers there.

Dublin is not too bad.It is the rest of Ireland that is the problem.

independent.co.uk/news/business/news/hardest-working-european-countries-revealed-uk-sweden-a7432396.html

@Miloslaw
The stat you link to is a measure of hours worked in a lifetime, not productivity during those hours. Greece for example has some of the longest working hours in Europe

and the lowest rate of productivity.


You've never visited, lived nor worked in Ireland,nor run a business there so how would you know?

@Atch

You are an intelligent woman, so I am sure that you know, just as I do that these stats are all very misleading.
They are caused by Ireland being a base for MANY, mainly American mulinationals for tax purposes.
Most of the trade they generate is not produced in Ireland.
And I always thought you were one of the more genuine and honest posters on here.

marketplace.org/2018/06/20/ireland-multinational-companies-blessing-and-curse/

ft.com/content/6c7a0c9a-1913-30a2-a317-24d2623e1865

Did Pis introduce ZUS for busines? No Has Pis made efforts to reduce red tape for small business? Yes. Has Pis taxed multinational supermarkets to help small business 'corner shops' Yes. What is your point again?


Sorry I don't speak Pom, can you rephrase that in english? It seems that Pis will win the next parlamentary elections , even PSL is feeling the sinking ship of the koalicja. Youre fine with the UK Gov helping the marginalised (NHS etc) but against the Polish goverment doing the same. That makes you an anti-polish bigot. Perhaps its time you buggered off back to mother england?

Nope. In fact, they've made it worse. Small businesses now face controls that are conducted with the aim of finding guilt, even if accidental.


Would that be the same corner shops that are closing down en masse?

rp.pl/Handel/308239881-Sklepy-tysiacami-znikaja-z-rynku.html

Just to help you:


The Sunday trading ban has actually helped large shops, as they can offer deep promotions on Fridays/Saturdays to get people through the door.

Perhaps you could come and talk to a small shop owner and see what they think about PiS.

Incidentally, PiS also want to ban Polish consumers from buying cheap own brand items.

The sunday trading ban was stupid , and is being reviewed.

As are the efforts to deprive Lotnisko Modlin of oxygen.

Ah yes, perhaps you can tell us why the government is spending a huge amount of money on rebuilding Radom Airport when no-one wanted to fly to it.

You can also tell us why they're trying to build a huge airport that no-one actually wants, and which makes zero commercial sense. Perhaps while you're at it, you can tell us why LOT forced people into self-employment.

Don't be silly, Chopin cannot expand, ie No more new runways. CPK has potential esp as a cargo hub as part of the Belt and Road initiative. You have a gall talking about LOT, which was losing millions under PO and only an executive decision by Tusk prevented it from declaring bankruptcy and being sold off for a pittance. I'll give Tusk credit for that. He went against the whole Amber Gold/OLT/High level mafia and PO conspiracy to steal LOT from the Polish people. Just a continuation by the post communists in PO to privatise the last remaining goverment assets.

As it stands, Chopin is only busy because of low cost flights. Relocate them to Modlin after expanding it, and Chopin is more than enough for business-orientated travel as well as higher yielding leisure travel.

The CPK has no potential because it's in the wrong place. Helsinki works for Asian traffic because it's the closest airport to Asia, while Istanbul and the ME3 hubs work because they can reach anywhere in the world with one connection. Warsaw doesn't have that advantage, which is why the CPK is just a Gierekist white elephant.


Do try and stop repeating garbage from the right wing media. LOT was in trouble for many reasons, not least the fact that it had an old fleet and people who were frankly miserable old dinosaurs. Tusk didn't save LOT, it was the state aid that did that. Now LOT is a haven of junk contracts and fake self employment, so it's hardly a success.

Still, perhaps you can tell us why a government-controlled company has become a bastion of junk contracts.

the cheap own brands are costing us much more than necesssary - because the Polish branch pays for using it to say Netherlands and the Polish budget doesn't see any income tax because of that - ever thought about it - I don't know how they (the govm'nt) are going to tackle this but I very much praise any attempts

Transfer pricing is already strictly regulated, so you can't charge more than a few percent for the use of such brands.

I'm not sure you can call it transfer pricing - I had to look up what transfer pricing to be honest - anyway if you pay for using a brand I don't think it is a transfer pricing - you must have heard that most foreing corporations in Poland barely pay any income tax here - if I remember correctly Orange (former Telekomunikacja Polska) pays a a couple of hundreds million PLN for using the brand Orange (I checked it - they pay about 1,5 per cent of their REVENUE)

also check this - niewygodne.info.pl/artykul9/04388-Koszty-wieksze-niz-przychody.htm

Dziennik Gazeta Prawna estimated in 2015 that Polish branches of foreign companies paid about 4 billion PLN just for using brands

It's a problem with tax in general, because also Polish companies are doing the same thing internationally. For instance, look at the transport industry where Polish companies were paying Polish wages to people physically driving in Germany/France/UK/etc.

I'm all for making tax completely based on the place where the business is performed. Sell mobile phone services in Poland? Then you pay tax here, without transfer pricing, charges for branding, etc. Deliver sausages to Spain? Then you pay your drivers as if they were working in those countries.

Seems fair, don't you think?

that's hardly comparable