Des Essientes
21 Aug 2013
Life / The changing RCC habits of Poles [70]
Thank you Paulina for stating the obvious truth about this thread.
Thank you Paulina for stating the obvious truth about this thread.
Des Essientes
9 Jul 2013
Travel / Rihanna complains about lack of privacy on Polish beach [150]
Harry don't be so stupid. Alcohol is outlawed in some places in the world, but it never reminds people of the racial classification system that existed when people of African descent were treated as chattel. Thus warszawski's analogy is inept. Your bringing up the Saudis, and the Islamic Resistance to the Israeli occupation of Palestine, is yet another example of your creepy Arabophobic obsession. Get a life and stop making so many stupid posts on this forum, Harry.
I take it you haven't been to Saudi Arabia. Or the part of Palestine where Hamas is in charge.
Harry don't be so stupid. Alcohol is outlawed in some places in the world, but it never reminds people of the racial classification system that existed when people of African descent were treated as chattel. Thus warszawski's analogy is inept. Your bringing up the Saudis, and the Islamic Resistance to the Israeli occupation of Palestine, is yet another example of your creepy Arabophobic obsession. Get a life and stop making so many stupid posts on this forum, Harry.
Des Essientes
9 Jul 2013
Travel / Rihanna complains about lack of privacy on Polish beach [150]
The term "mixed race" is not offensive in my part of the world. Don't pretend that "mulatto" and "mixed race" have the same connotations in English now. They do not. The term "mulatto" is one of a series of racialist terms, of Portugese and Spanish origin, used in the times of slavery and segregation. "Mulatto" specified someone at least half black. "Quadroon" was reserved for people who were one quarter black and "Octoroon"for those who were one eighth black. Just as the term "negro" has been supplanted by the term "black" the term "mulatto" has been supplanted by the term "mixed-race" or "half-black". So too realize that if "black" only applies to people of purely African ancestry then few of the black people in the Americas would be "black" anymore. Caucasian and Amer-Indian ancestry is very widespread amongst black people in the Americas. Warszawski, if "your part of the world" doesn't understand that using the term "mulatto" is considered as boorish as using the term "negro" then so much the worse for your part of the world, but I somehow doubt that you're being accurate when characterizing your abode.
Wow let's talk about an inept analogy! Using racialist terminology from the 19th Century is not at all akin to strolling the boulevard with an open container of suds, regardless of the country in which one saunters.
Maybe in your part of the world mullato/mixed race is offensive, not in my mine part of the world.
The term "mixed race" is not offensive in my part of the world. Don't pretend that "mulatto" and "mixed race" have the same connotations in English now. They do not. The term "mulatto" is one of a series of racialist terms, of Portugese and Spanish origin, used in the times of slavery and segregation. "Mulatto" specified someone at least half black. "Quadroon" was reserved for people who were one quarter black and "Octoroon"for those who were one eighth black. Just as the term "negro" has been supplanted by the term "black" the term "mulatto" has been supplanted by the term "mixed-race" or "half-black". So too realize that if "black" only applies to people of purely African ancestry then few of the black people in the Americas would be "black" anymore. Caucasian and Amer-Indian ancestry is very widespread amongst black people in the Americas. Warszawski, if "your part of the world" doesn't understand that using the term "mulatto" is considered as boorish as using the term "negro" then so much the worse for your part of the world, but I somehow doubt that you're being accurate when characterizing your abode.
Just like walking the streets with a beer in Poland is acceptable, in the UK is not
Wow let's talk about an inept analogy! Using racialist terminology from the 19th Century is not at all akin to strolling the boulevard with an open container of suds, regardless of the country in which one saunters.
Des Essientes
9 Jul 2013
Travel / Rihanna complains about lack of privacy on Polish beach [150]
hahahaha harry! What a silly claim to make! You can be honest about your opinions! Indeed you can, but you cannot, as I said, be honest about how Rhianna really feels because you do not know her, and creating a class of "famous musicians" that are somehow all alike such that your contact with "more than a few of them" makes you an authority on their feelings is just a silly fantasist joke!
What century are you posting from, warszawski?
I most certainly can be honest about my opinions as to how famous musicians react to certain situations
hahahaha harry! What a silly claim to make! You can be honest about your opinions! Indeed you can, but you cannot, as I said, be honest about how Rhianna really feels because you do not know her, and creating a class of "famous musicians" that are somehow all alike such that your contact with "more than a few of them" makes you an authority on their feelings is just a silly fantasist joke!
Des Essientes
9 Jul 2013
Travel / Rihanna complains about lack of privacy on Polish beach [150]
What century are you posting from, warszawski?
She is from Barbados not Hollywood.
firstly she is not black she is mulatto ( mixed race),
What century are you posting from, warszawski?
She, like all of the trash to come out of hollywood, loves attention.
She is from Barbados not Hollywood.
Des Essientes
6 Jul 2013
News / Poland will have a queen again [75]
Hahahahahahaha! Way to bungle, Belgian!
Hear Hear!
Barney it appears that the bitter British on this forum cannot forget that the Irish revolted and threw their monarchy out. Every time you post, Barney, they will read your posts as those of an Irish rebel. A rebel like the ones who humiliated their imperial monarchy. Poland and Ireland and the USA all know that the republican form of government is far superior to governments that maintain royal families at the public expense, and Britain's monarchy is most certainly maintained at the public expense despite the pathetic lies of Harry, jon357 and the rest.
Barney, when faced with an angry royalist gang you have acquitted yourself admirably by exposing their lies. PF would be a far worse place were it not for republicans like you.
Horsefaced Lizzy is the Queen of England and she, and her "regal" ilk elsewhere, are a stupid anachronism.
This post is nothing more than flaming.
So, as long as Belgium will keep existing as a country, a constitutional monarchy is the best option. A president would be highly decisive. He would be the president of the Flemish, or the Walloons, but neither of both.
Hahahahahahaha! Way to bungle, Belgian!
How dare anyone call the Queen of England the English Queen what an outrage but its fine calling other benefit claimants dole scum and bottom feeders? They give themselves a whole series of official .titles carried with pride, it is frankly a dead heat between the Windsors and the ex politburo members as to who had the most ridiculous chest full of gongs.
Hear Hear!
Nothing to do with Ireland (yet again) and everything to do with democracy and financial probity
Barney it appears that the bitter British on this forum cannot forget that the Irish revolted and threw their monarchy out. Every time you post, Barney, they will read your posts as those of an Irish rebel. A rebel like the ones who humiliated their imperial monarchy. Poland and Ireland and the USA all know that the republican form of government is far superior to governments that maintain royal families at the public expense, and Britain's monarchy is most certainly maintained at the public expense despite the pathetic lies of Harry, jon357 and the rest.
Barney, when faced with an angry royalist gang you have acquitted yourself admirably by exposing their lies. PF would be a far worse place were it not for republicans like you.
Horsefaced Lizzy is the Queen of England and she, and her "regal" ilk elsewhere, are a stupid anachronism.
This post is nothing more than flaming.
Des Essientes
25 Jun 2013
History / History of Poland in a pill - illustrated [37]
I wonder how many cultures have a version of this story. The Muslims tell of Muhammad and Abu Bakr's flight from Mecca. Pursued by Meccan soldiers, led by Satan himself, they sheltered the first night in a cave, and Allah caused a spider to weave a web over the entrance, thus fooling their pursuers into believing the cave was unoccupied.
A huge spider spun a web in the entry to the cave, thus stopping the pursuit.
I wonder how many cultures have a version of this story. The Muslims tell of Muhammad and Abu Bakr's flight from Mecca. Pursued by Meccan soldiers, led by Satan himself, they sheltered the first night in a cave, and Allah caused a spider to weave a web over the entrance, thus fooling their pursuers into believing the cave was unoccupied.
Des Essientes
25 Jun 2013
Life / Expat, immigrant, foreigner. Not all foreigners in Poland are expats. [84]
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! I have no need to argue with Webster because Webster defines "expat" in exactly the way I have:
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expat
Harry, the link you posted says clearly that an expat is an expatriate. Are you feeling well? Did you not read the Webster's definition you linked to? Maybe you need a nap.
If semantics interest you then you should study them. Such study may prevent some further hilarious gaffes on your part.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! I have no need to argue with Webster because Webster defines "expat" in exactly the way I have:
Definition of EXPAT
chiefly British
: an expatriate person : expatriate
chiefly British
: an expatriate person : expatriate
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expat
Harry, the link you posted says clearly that an expat is an expatriate. Are you feeling well? Did you not read the Webster's definition you linked to? Maybe you need a nap.
"signify the same signified"? There's an interesting one.
If semantics interest you then you should study them. Such study may prevent some further hilarious gaffes on your part.
Des Essientes
25 Jun 2013
Life / Expat, immigrant, foreigner. Not all foreigners in Poland are expats. [84]
"Expat" is an abbreviation of "expatriate". Both "expat" and "expatriate" signify the same signified. Using the term "expatriate" herein is not off-topic.
"Expat" is an abbreviation of "expatriate". Both "expat" and "expatriate" signify the same signified. Using the term "expatriate" herein is not off-topic.
Des Essientes
25 Jun 2013
Life / Expat, immigrant, foreigner. Not all foreigners in Poland are expats. [84]
Hahahahahahaha! What a laughable lack of logic! Harry, you should realize that your inability to name any expatriates on the forum living off of their parents does not justify your claim that none do. You do not know the life situations of every single expatriate that posts here. Harry, stop embarrassing the expatriate community with your stupidly inductive assertions.
Des Essientes: Harry your claim to know the personal financial situations of all the foreigners in Poland, who post here, is both hilarious and indicative of a delusional mind state. Can you name any foreigners living in Poland who post here and live off their parents? I certainly can't.
Hahahahahahaha! What a laughable lack of logic! Harry, you should realize that your inability to name any expatriates on the forum living off of their parents does not justify your claim that none do. You do not know the life situations of every single expatriate that posts here. Harry, stop embarrassing the expatriate community with your stupidly inductive assertions.
Des Essientes
25 Jun 2013
Life / Expat, immigrant, foreigner. Not all foreigners in Poland are expats. [84]
No, delphiandomine, my post was about the claims made in Harry's posts. I did not personally abuse anyone. I criticized Harry's performance as a public poster. I made no claims about his personal life.
Perhaps the fact that you and Harry seem to live upon this forum, as evinced by your tens of thousands of posts, has confused you regarding the difference between your personal lives and your public personas here.
Four lots of personal abuse in one post.
No, delphiandomine, my post was about the claims made in Harry's posts. I did not personally abuse anyone. I criticized Harry's performance as a public poster. I made no claims about his personal life.
Perhaps the fact that you and Harry seem to live upon this forum, as evinced by your tens of thousands of posts, has confused you regarding the difference between your personal lives and your public personas here.
Des Essientes
25 Jun 2013
Life / Expat, immigrant, foreigner. Not all foreigners in Poland are expats. [84]
Hahahahahahaha! What a stupid claim! "Expatriate" is from the Latin "expatriatus" it means quite simply "out of ones fatherland" and it has existed for centuries. If you want to claim that its abbreviation, "expat", is a new word from 1962 then you are, once again, the laughing stock of this forum! Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Hahahahahahaha! Referencing the Lost Generation was the giving of an example of expatriatism, if you believe that this was somehow a slur directed at you, and your gang, then you truly are paranoid. Harry your claim to know the personal financial situations of all the foreigners in Poland, who post here, is both hilarious and indicative of a delusional mind state. The fact is that you do not know the personal information of all the expatriates on this forum and your claiming otherwise is very stupid and indicative of the megalomaniacal gangster mindset that your clique plagues this forum with in your posts.
Harry, you need to stop making claims about posters' personal lives. You do not know whether or not I have ever been an expatriate or lived outside of my home country. Your claiming otherwise shows the forum, yet again, that you are delusional and very rude. Stop making claims about other posters' personal lives and stick to the topics of the threads here. PF has had enough of your idiotic gangsterism.
Although in our case your reference is useless, given that the word 'expat' didn't appear until 1962.
Hahahahahahaha! What a stupid claim! "Expatriate" is from the Latin "expatriatus" it means quite simply "out of ones fatherland" and it has existed for centuries. If you want to claim that its abbreviation, "expat", is a new word from 1962 then you are, once again, the laughing stock of this forum! Hahahahahahahahahaha!
I do hope that you aren't trying to insult any foreigners in Poland with your reference to 'lost generation'; from memory most of the "Lost Generation" were living off their parents, which is not a statement which can be made about any of the foreigners in Poland who post here.
Hahahahahahaha! Referencing the Lost Generation was the giving of an example of expatriatism, if you believe that this was somehow a slur directed at you, and your gang, then you truly are paranoid. Harry your claim to know the personal financial situations of all the foreigners in Poland, who post here, is both hilarious and indicative of a delusional mind state. The fact is that you do not know the personal information of all the expatriates on this forum and your claiming otherwise is very stupid and indicative of the megalomaniacal gangster mindset that your clique plagues this forum with in your posts.
Des Essientes: These two answers above, to the OP's query, are the most correct. No they are not, but thanks for your input anyway, always nice to hear people who have never been an expat or lived outside their home country telling other people that they are or are not expats.
Harry, you need to stop making claims about posters' personal lives. You do not know whether or not I have ever been an expatriate or lived outside of my home country. Your claiming otherwise shows the forum, yet again, that you are delusional and very rude. Stop making claims about other posters' personal lives and stick to the topics of the threads here. PF has had enough of your idiotic gangsterism.
Des Essientes
25 Jun 2013
Life / Expat, immigrant, foreigner. Not all foreigners in Poland are expats. [84]
This definition of "expatriate" is not at all exhaustive
These two answers above, to the OP's query, are the most correct.
The reader may remember the so called "Lost Generation" of the decades between the two world wars. They were expatriate American artists living in Europe, but they were not there at the behest of any employers.
An expat is someone posted by his or her employer for a fixed term.
This definition of "expatriate" is not at all exhaustive
an expatriate is any person living in a different country from where they are a citizen.
immigrant is someone that made his mind as to which country he wants to live in, while expat is not fully committed.
These two answers above, to the OP's query, are the most correct.
The reader may remember the so called "Lost Generation" of the decades between the two world wars. They were expatriate American artists living in Europe, but they were not there at the behest of any employers.
Des Essientes
19 May 2013
News / Negative Polish stereotypes in US 'changing for the better' [20]
Wroclaw, the two conditional statements that I made in my post are absolutely on topic. Your claim otherwise is very disconcerting. How can you be a proper moderator here if you cannot understand that logical analysis of a thread's OP is what a discussion forum is all about? The idea put forth in the OP, that Polonians on this forum may be hurting Poland's image in the USA, is absurd and stupid. My post rightfully points this out. I think that you may actually understand this because my post hasn't been binned.
Wroclaw, the reader is left to wonder why you wrote what you did above. I think that it may have something to to with a feeling of solidarity you have with the threadstarter, because he is an expatriate like yourself, and so you are upset that my post exposed the stupidity contained in his OP.
Wroclaw, I am a Polonian. I feel a sense of solidarity with my fellow Polonians on this forum, and now most especially since we are being singled out as being bad for Poland's image. I will not stand idly by and allow such balderdash to be spread upon this forum unchallenged.
Wroclaw, if you want to make stupid sarcastic posts that asininely claim on-topic statements are off-topic then you may do so, but, in my opinion such posting makes you look like an idiot.
when you feel the need to post on the topic rather than the person who originated it i shall alert the media. the whole of Poland awaits a reply with something relevant to the actual topic.
Wroclaw, the two conditional statements that I made in my post are absolutely on topic. Your claim otherwise is very disconcerting. How can you be a proper moderator here if you cannot understand that logical analysis of a thread's OP is what a discussion forum is all about? The idea put forth in the OP, that Polonians on this forum may be hurting Poland's image in the USA, is absurd and stupid. My post rightfully points this out. I think that you may actually understand this because my post hasn't been binned.
Wroclaw, the reader is left to wonder why you wrote what you did above. I think that it may have something to to with a feeling of solidarity you have with the threadstarter, because he is an expatriate like yourself, and so you are upset that my post exposed the stupidity contained in his OP.
Wroclaw, I am a Polonian. I feel a sense of solidarity with my fellow Polonians on this forum, and now most especially since we are being singled out as being bad for Poland's image. I will not stand idly by and allow such balderdash to be spread upon this forum unchallenged.
Wroclaw, if you want to make stupid sarcastic posts that asininely claim on-topic statements are off-topic then you may do so, but, in my opinion such posting makes you look like an idiot.
Des Essientes
18 May 2013
News / Negative Polish stereotypes in US 'changing for the better' [20]
If the threadstarter honestly believe that comments on this forum have any appreciable affect on the perception of Poles in the USA then he is mistaken. This is an internet discussion forum that 99.9999% of Americans will never see.
If the threadstarter is just pretending to believe that comments on this forum may actually have an appreciable effect on the perception of Poles in the USA, so that he may continue his campaign against certain Polonians on this forum that he has taken a dislike to, then the threadstarter is being insincere.
Hopefully the posts made here by certain persons who claim to be Polish/Polonia and to speak for Poland/Polonia will not do too much damage to the improving reputation of Poles.
If the threadstarter honestly believe that comments on this forum have any appreciable affect on the perception of Poles in the USA then he is mistaken. This is an internet discussion forum that 99.9999% of Americans will never see.
If the threadstarter is just pretending to believe that comments on this forum may actually have an appreciable effect on the perception of Poles in the USA, so that he may continue his campaign against certain Polonians on this forum that he has taken a dislike to, then the threadstarter is being insincere.
Des Essientes
18 May 2013
History / How different would WW2 turned out if Poland accepted Hitler's offer [215]
Hitler was an Austrian that joined the German army, rather than the Austrian army, in WW1 because he didn't want to serve in an army containing such a high percentage of Slavs.
Indeed, threads like this one, that proport to give "answers" to questions involving massive counter-factuals, may be interesting to read but these answers have absolutely no historical value. History is about what actually happened and no one can claim to know the truth about how WW2 would've turned out if the titular counter-factual had actually happened.
he detested Slavs and had big problems with them. One of his problems with Austria was that they allowed to many Slavs to live there.
Hitler was an Austrian that joined the German army, rather than the Austrian army, in WW1 because he didn't want to serve in an army containing such a high percentage of Slavs.
True but we can only wonder how it would look like if he won the war.
Indeed, threads like this one, that proport to give "answers" to questions involving massive counter-factuals, may be interesting to read but these answers have absolutely no historical value. History is about what actually happened and no one can claim to know the truth about how WW2 would've turned out if the titular counter-factual had actually happened.
Des Essientes
30 Apr 2013
Life / Poles In Eldritch Arkham [8]
The link I provided is to the text of The Dreams in the Witch House. Did you read the entire story, Pam? If so what did you think of Lovecraft's characterization of the Poles in it?
I feared that I was posting this thread on a forum in which no one has read Lovecraft, but it is Walpurgis Night so I said "What the Hell!"
Lovecraft does have avid readers worldwide. Here is an eerie looking Polish site devoted to him:
hplovecraft.pl
There's nothing in the link you provided that suggests to me that Lovecraft was particularly xenophobic
The link I provided is to the text of The Dreams in the Witch House. Did you read the entire story, Pam? If so what did you think of Lovecraft's characterization of the Poles in it?
without having read any of his earlier work, I can't comment on whether he'd become more tolerant or not.
I feared that I was posting this thread on a forum in which no one has read Lovecraft, but it is Walpurgis Night so I said "What the Hell!"
Lovecraft does have avid readers worldwide. Here is an eerie looking Polish site devoted to him:
hplovecraft.pl
Des Essientes
30 Apr 2013
Life / Poles In Eldritch Arkham [8]
Walpurgis Night is here and it may interest you to know that H.P. Lovecraft's supremely weird Walpurgis Night story contains several Polish characters. Set in Arkham, the fictional New England college town in which Lovecraft placed most of his stories, The Dreams in the Witch House, is the tale of a student, named Walter Gilman, who studies mathematics and folklore at Arkham's Miskatonic University. These dual concerns have lead the student to rent a room in Arkham's "Witch House" so named because it had harbored a reputed sorceress, named Kesiah Mason, who'd escaped from her Salem jail cell during the infamous witch trials, before the pious townsfolk were able to set her alight. The circumstances of her liberation were very mysterious:
At the time of Lovecraft's story, presumably the mid 1930's when it was authored, the Witch House is owned by a Polish man and peopled with some Polish tenants. Readers familiar with Lovecraft's xenophobia may expect to find the Polonians less than favorably characterized in the tale, and I heartily invite them to read it at the link provided below, and to decide for themselves, if it is true, as many critics have alleged, that Lovecraft had indeed become far more tolerant during the last years of his life.
/writings/texts/fiction/dwh.aspx
Walpurgis Night is here and it may interest you to know that H.P. Lovecraft's supremely weird Walpurgis Night story contains several Polish characters. Set in Arkham, the fictional New England college town in which Lovecraft placed most of his stories, The Dreams in the Witch House, is the tale of a student, named Walter Gilman, who studies mathematics and folklore at Arkham's Miskatonic University. These dual concerns have lead the student to rent a room in Arkham's "Witch House" so named because it had harbored a reputed sorceress, named Kesiah Mason, who'd escaped from her Salem jail cell during the infamous witch trials, before the pious townsfolk were able to set her alight. The circumstances of her liberation were very mysterious:
That was in 1692-the gaoler had gone mad and babbled of a small, white-fanged furry thing which scuttled out of Keziah's cell, and not even Cotton Mather could explain the curves and angles smeared on the grey stone walls with some red, sticky fluid.
At the time of Lovecraft's story, presumably the mid 1930's when it was authored, the Witch House is owned by a Polish man and peopled with some Polish tenants. Readers familiar with Lovecraft's xenophobia may expect to find the Polonians less than favorably characterized in the tale, and I heartily invite them to read it at the link provided below, and to decide for themselves, if it is true, as many critics have alleged, that Lovecraft had indeed become far more tolerant during the last years of his life.
As April advanced Gilman's fever-sharpened ears were disturbed by the whining prayers of a superstitious loomfixer named Joe Mazurewicz, who had a room on the ground floor. Mazurewicz had told long, rambling stories about the ghost of old Keziah and the furry, sharp-fanged, nuzzling thing, and had said he was so badly haunted at times that only his silver crucifix-given him for the purpose by Father Iwanicki of St. Stanislaus' Church-could bring him relief.
/writings/texts/fiction/dwh.aspx
Des Essientes
20 Apr 2013
History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]
The term is from ancient Greek. It originally referred to an exceptional sort of sacrifice to the gods in which the entire sacrificial victim was burnt up. Usually the skin and bones of the sacrificial victim were burnt up, for the gods, while the meat of the victim was consumed by the people present. This arrangement was ascribed to the action of humanity's patron Titan, Prometheus, who tricked Zeus into accepting this portion of the victim by hiding it under a rich layer of fat. Holos = whole and kaustos = burnt.
The noun Holocaust has been used throughout the centuries to name such similar acts perpetrated against other peoples, be it on racial or religious grounds.
The term is from ancient Greek. It originally referred to an exceptional sort of sacrifice to the gods in which the entire sacrificial victim was burnt up. Usually the skin and bones of the sacrificial victim were burnt up, for the gods, while the meat of the victim was consumed by the people present. This arrangement was ascribed to the action of humanity's patron Titan, Prometheus, who tricked Zeus into accepting this portion of the victim by hiding it under a rich layer of fat. Holos = whole and kaustos = burnt.
Des Essientes
5 Apr 2013
News / Barbara Piasecka Johnson, Maid Who Married Multimillionaire, Dies at 76 [57]
Barbara Piasecka Johnson's obituary in the LA Times today notes that she received a degree in Art History before emigrating to the USA from Rome. For some of us being versed in Art History is an extremely interesting and attractive quality. Barbara Piasecka Johnson was already an accomplished human being before she "married into money".
I've always said that the guy who invented the band-aid did know what he was doing. lol
You're not trying to equate marrying into money as being the same as inventing something, are you?
You're not trying to equate marrying into money as being the same as inventing something, are you?
Barbara Piasecka Johnson's obituary in the LA Times today notes that she received a degree in Art History before emigrating to the USA from Rome. For some of us being versed in Art History is an extremely interesting and attractive quality. Barbara Piasecka Johnson was already an accomplished human being before she "married into money".
Des Essientes
21 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
People believing that a mandatory interview about prospective residency had no bearing on whether residency would be allowed are either deluded or disingenuous.
Yes trolling, that is exactly what Jon357 is doing here. He is trolling because he cannot allow any information to be revealed on this forum that shows that some Jews in Poland have actually been discriminatory towards Gentiles in Poland. Such information deviates from the myth of eternal Jewish victimhood. So he personally attacks people by calling them unhealthily obsessed. These are low-down, dirty and scummy smear tactics. Foreigner4 put it well earlier in this thread:
People believing that a mandatory interview about prospective residency had no bearing on whether residency would be allowed are either deluded or disingenuous.
Vexatious trolling by somebody with a very, very unhealthy obsession.
Yes trolling, that is exactly what Jon357 is doing here. He is trolling because he cannot allow any information to be revealed on this forum that shows that some Jews in Poland have actually been discriminatory towards Gentiles in Poland. Such information deviates from the myth of eternal Jewish victimhood. So he personally attacks people by calling them unhealthily obsessed. These are low-down, dirty and scummy smear tactics. Foreigner4 put it well earlier in this thread:
There are two sides to every story in history, unless it is the story of the Jews- then there is only one story and any deviation from it is sure to draw the "racism" choir, ultimately drowning any discussion on it..
Des Essientes
19 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
If the obligatory interviews with the Jewish Community Board that were required for Gentiles requesting permission to move into the center of the town of Bransk were just a formality, that had no bearing upon whether of not said Gentiles would be allowed to move into the center of Bransk, then why were they mandatory? People that are not insane will infer that these interviews were indeed held to decide wether or not said Gentiles would be allowed to move to the center of town.
Please "PM" the mod. All of the moderators here are sick of your ridiculous antics. I am sure that this mod will have a good laugh at your paranoiac assumption that my reference to sane readers is worthy of suspension.
If the obligatory interviews with the Jewish Community Board that were required for Gentiles requesting permission to move into the center of the town of Bransk were just a formality, that had no bearing upon whether of not said Gentiles would be allowed to move into the center of Bransk, then why were they mandatory? People that are not insane will infer that these interviews were indeed held to decide wether or not said Gentiles would be allowed to move to the center of town.
I seem to remember that you were told that if you again make references to people's supposed mental health problems, you'd be banned. Shall I PM the mod in question?
Please "PM" the mod. All of the moderators here are sick of your ridiculous antics. I am sure that this mod will have a good laugh at your paranoiac assumption that my reference to sane readers is worthy of suspension.
Des Essientes
19 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
He is also a historian and he was interviewed in the documentary because of all the research he has done regarding the history of town of Bransk. He may not be a professional historian but he is a historian nonetheless. Herodotus didn't get paid for his historical research either, but he is nonetheless considered a historian. Harry, you are grasping at straws and it is hilarious! Hahahahahaha!
Hahahahaha! He said the following:
The readers of this forum, that are not insane, can infer, from the above statement, that the Gentiles subjected to this mandatory interview were indeed required to receive permission from the Jewish Community Board before being allowed to move into the center of Bransk, otherwise the interview wouldn't have been required.
Hahahahahaha! So my citing this interesting fact about the power granted the Jewish Community Board in Bransk is an attempt to "focus attention" away from the centuries! How paranoid are you? Do you really believe that my daring to relate this interesting fact about the history of Bransk is an Anti-Semitic plot?
What mod did I mention? My story is as straight as an arrow unlike your hilariously serpentine illogic.
the man in question was "someone who worked in the town hall" and "vice mayor". You are of course free to keep claiming that he was a historian.
He is also a historian and he was interviewed in the documentary because of all the research he has done regarding the history of town of Bransk. He may not be a professional historian but he is a historian nonetheless. Herodotus didn't get paid for his historical research either, but he is nonetheless considered a historian. Harry, you are grasping at straws and it is hilarious! Hahahahahaha!
One presumes that if the vice mayor had wanted to say that gentiles needed permission in order to live in the centre of Bransk, he would have said that gentiles needed permission in order to live in the centre of Bransk, just as you claim that he said. Unfortunately, he did not say that.
Hahahahaha! He said the following:
If a Pole wanted to live there, he had to be interviewed by the Jewish community board.
The readers of this forum, that are not insane, can infer, from the above statement, that the Gentiles subjected to this mandatory interview were indeed required to receive permission from the Jewish Community Board before being allowed to move into the center of Bransk, otherwise the interview wouldn't have been required.
So for 60 years Jews were in the majority in Bransk and for hundreds of years Jews were not allowed to live in the town. I wonder why you wish to focus attention on the decades and not on the centuries.
Hahahahahaha! So my citing this interesting fact about the power granted the Jewish Community Board in Bransk is an attempt to "focus attention" away from the centuries! How paranoid are you? Do you really believe that my daring to relate this interesting fact about the history of Bransk is an Anti-Semitic plot?
How very interesting. Unfortunately there is a rule against posting PMs in open forum and so I can't post it here; however, I was told by a mod that my suspension was imposed by a mod other than the one you mention. Perhaps you might like to get your story straight?
What mod did I mention? My story is as straight as an arrow unlike your hilariously serpentine illogic.
Des Essientes
19 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
The documentary made the claim in that a historian featured in the documentary made it.
I don't care.
Hahahahahahaha! Harry, you really are clowning now! Do you honestly believe that these mandatory interviews were not about the granting of permission to live in the center of Bransk? If not then why require them for prospective residents?
Harry, you accused a poster of being drunk on the main forum and you were suspended. A moderator had previously warned you to stop trolling in that manner. Your suspension was not the result of a "PM". I would like you to know that I reported your obnoxious slur against said poster and reminded the moderator of his promise to suspend you. It worked! For three months this forum was free of your lies and your logical fallacies.
You have repeatedly stated that the documentary made the claim.
The documentary made the claim in that a historian featured in the documentary made it.
Care for me to link to those statements?
I don't care.
He says quite specifically " If a Pole wanted to live there, he had to be interviewed by the Jewish community board." Nothing about permission being needed.
Hahahahahahaha! Harry, you really are clowning now! Do you honestly believe that these mandatory interviews were not about the granting of permission to live in the center of Bransk? If not then why require them for prospective residents?
Des Essientes: Weren't you just suspended for three months for accusing another poster of being drunk? Yes you were.
Actually, no. Do feel free to ask your friend to forward you the PM in question.
Actually, no. Do feel free to ask your friend to forward you the PM in question.
Harry, you accused a poster of being drunk on the main forum and you were suspended. A moderator had previously warned you to stop trolling in that manner. Your suspension was not the result of a "PM". I would like you to know that I reported your obnoxious slur against said poster and reminded the moderator of his promise to suspend you. It worked! For three months this forum was free of your lies and your logical fallacies.
Des Essientes
19 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
No, Harry you are the one that is lying. I never claimed that a Jewish-American filmaker stated this fact about Bransk. A Polish historian in a film produced by a Jewish-American filmaker stated this fact. Your claim that I have "repeatedly" stated otherwise shows the forum, yet again, that you are delusional.
How about poster like you that repeatedly lies like a rug and posts logical fallacies? Are you drunk on booze or just drunk on resentment towards others who speak the truth about Polish history? Weren't you just suspended for three months for accusing another poster of being drunk? Yes you were. Will you ever learn?
Jason, I have never seen "Fiddler on the Roof" because I despise musicals. Your claim to know the contents of my mind is stupidly presumptuous.
Jason, if a Gentile wanted to reside in the center of Bransk, in the 19th Century, then he had to receive permission from the Jewish elders of Bransk. This permission that the Polish historian spoke of, in the documentary Sztetl, was for residency, not for merely for conducting business.
You have repeatedly claimed that an American Jewish film-maker stated that the Jewish elders of Bransk had the right to forbid Gentiles from living in the town center. That claim is nothing more than a lie.
No, Harry you are the one that is lying. I never claimed that a Jewish-American filmaker stated this fact about Bransk. A Polish historian in a film produced by a Jewish-American filmaker stated this fact. Your claim that I have "repeatedly" stated otherwise shows the forum, yet again, that you are delusional.
As it happens, I would normally find that a constant repetition of Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! while simultaneously spitting out a thesaurus and making mistakes with basic English to be more than suggestive that a poster is somewhat drunk.
How about poster like you that repeatedly lies like a rug and posts logical fallacies? Are you drunk on booze or just drunk on resentment towards others who speak the truth about Polish history? Weren't you just suspended for three months for accusing another poster of being drunk? Yes you were. Will you ever learn?
In Des's mind, shtetl were straight outta Fiddler On the Roof.
Jason, I have never seen "Fiddler on the Roof" because I despise musicals. Your claim to know the contents of my mind is stupidly presumptuous.
Of course a gentile wouldn't want to be caught "conspiring" with Jews, and would get a letter or some such saying they had business to conduct there. There was no "permission" to be given.
Jason, if a Gentile wanted to reside in the center of Bransk, in the 19th Century, then he had to receive permission from the Jewish elders of Bransk. This permission that the Polish historian spoke of, in the documentary Sztetl, was for residency, not for merely for conducting business.
Des Essientes
18 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
Yes billpawl, the privilege that the Jewish elders of Bransk had in denying Gentiles the right to live in the town center of Bransk does date from the time after the partitions, but since Harry is wrong to claim that this privilege never existed then he cannot be right. Harry uses the false dichotomy fallacy in the following statement:
Who is this "we" you are speaking of Harry? None but yourself is pretending that your four possibilities are exhaustive. Why are you using the plural "we" to put forth this fallacy? Perhaps you are using the "royal we", H.N.R.I..........hhaha!
You find laughter suggestive of disrespect. Others, without a huge chip on their shoulder, may see it as an expression of amusement, and it certainly is amusing to watch the purveyor of logical fallacies put in his place.
Yehudi doesn't understand what "anachronism" means. Just because people were born into their respective social groups in medieval times in no way makes the privileges enjoyed by one group over another somehow "unreal" by modern standards.
Could it be from later on that the documentary is referencing? Could you both be right, but not talking about the same time periods?
Yes billpawl, the privilege that the Jewish elders of Bransk had in denying Gentiles the right to live in the town center of Bransk does date from the time after the partitions, but since Harry is wrong to claim that this privilege never existed then he cannot be right. Harry uses the false dichotomy fallacy in the following statement:
So we are left with four possibilities
Yes, we have established that; however there are four theoretically possible explanations for that statement (as outlined above).
Who is this "we" you are speaking of Harry? None but yourself is pretending that your four possibilities are exhaustive. Why are you using the plural "we" to put forth this fallacy? Perhaps you are using the "royal we", H.N.R.I..........hhaha!
By the way, the "Hahahaha!" adds nothing to this discussion and suggests a very disrespectful attitude.
You find laughter suggestive of disrespect. Others, without a huge chip on their shoulder, may see it as an expression of amusement, and it certainly is amusing to watch the purveyor of logical fallacies put in his place.
So to say that Jews had priviliges or advantages over other Poles is an anachronism.
Yehudi doesn't understand what "anachronism" means. Just because people were born into their respective social groups in medieval times in no way makes the privileges enjoyed by one group over another somehow "unreal" by modern standards.
Des Essientes
15 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
Hahahaha! I have given my word upon the forum that I saw it. Anyone can aquire the documentary and see for themselves if I am mistaken. If it matters that much to you, and, given your obsessive performance upon this forum regarding the subject of Polish Jewry, one may assume that it does, then see the documentary for yourself. But, be forewarned: The documentary is several hours long.
Are claiming that Jews were not allowed to live in Bransk? The documentary was produced by a Jew whose Jewish ancestors were from Bransk.
Wrong, Catholics could live in the center of the town if the Jewish town elders approved. That is what the documentary stated and I found it surprising, but there are a lot of things revealed in that documentary that were surprising.
You keep claiming the documentary says that that but for some reason you won't support that claim.
Hahahaha! I have given my word upon the forum that I saw it. Anyone can aquire the documentary and see for themselves if I am mistaken. If it matters that much to you, and, given your obsessive performance upon this forum regarding the subject of Polish Jewry, one may assume that it does, then see the documentary for yourself. But, be forewarned: The documentary is several hours long.
a town where non tolerandis Judaeis applied
Are claiming that Jews were not allowed to live in Bransk? The documentary was produced by a Jew whose Jewish ancestors were from Bransk.
the centre of town was an area where no Catholics could live, because only Jews could live there.
Wrong, Catholics could live in the center of the town if the Jewish town elders approved. That is what the documentary stated and I found it surprising, but there are a lot of things revealed in that documentary that were surprising.
Des Essientes
15 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
According to the documentary I saw the center of the town of Bransk was uniformly Jewish and the Polish authorities granted the leaders of the Jewish community the right to refuse residency to Polish Gentiles attempting to move into that part of the town. This doesn't mean that the Polish authorities didn't also place restriction on Jewish residency in Bransk as well. You seem to be ignorantly believing that these residency regulations are somehow mutually exclusive. They are not.
the very simple fact remains that in Bransk there was non tolerandis Judaeis and not non tolerandis christianis.
According to the documentary I saw the center of the town of Bransk was uniformly Jewish and the Polish authorities granted the leaders of the Jewish community the right to refuse residency to Polish Gentiles attempting to move into that part of the town. This doesn't mean that the Polish authorities didn't also place restriction on Jewish residency in Bransk as well. You seem to be ignorantly believing that these residency regulations are somehow mutually exclusive. They are not.
Des Essientes
15 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
Harry, I saw the film about the history of Bransk and it said that Gentiles were required to obtain permission from the Jewish town fathers before being allowed to reside in the town's center. If you don't believe me then so be it, but you need only watch the film to be disabused of your ignorance.
Harry, in the future I would also like you to address me by my full screen name. The use of a diminutive of my screen name sounds very creepy coming from someone like you.
Harry, I saw the film about the history of Bransk and it said that Gentiles were required to obtain permission from the Jewish town fathers before being allowed to reside in the town's center. If you don't believe me then so be it, but you need only watch the film to be disabused of your ignorance.
Harry, in the future I would also like you to address me by my full screen name. The use of a diminutive of my screen name sounds very creepy coming from someone like you.
Des Essientes
15 Mar 2013
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
This example, with its obnoxiously feigned "mistake", in no way invalidates what Yerrick has said about the special privileges granted to Polish Jewry relative to those of the Polish peasantry. Indeed residency restrictions were also enforced by Jews against Gentiles in Poland. The documentary Stetl, about the history of the town of Bransk, revealed that Polish Gentiles had to receive special permission from the Jewish authorities in Bransk before being allowed to move into the center of that the town.
In reality during the majority of the time that Warsaw was the capital of independent Poland, Jews were not allowed to live in the city of Warsaw.
This example, with its obnoxiously feigned "mistake", in no way invalidates what Yerrick has said about the special privileges granted to Polish Jewry relative to those of the Polish peasantry. Indeed residency restrictions were also enforced by Jews against Gentiles in Poland. The documentary Stetl, about the history of the town of Bransk, revealed that Polish Gentiles had to receive special permission from the Jewish authorities in Bransk before being allowed to move into the center of that the town.