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What's wrong with Poland? I don't see anything.


nomen 2 | 15
12 Jul 2012 #1
I just spent 10 days in Warsaw, Krakow, and Zakopane. And my question is, "what's wrong with Poland?"

Everything was great. Nice people. An abundance of beautiful women. Modern convenience when desired. So what's wrong with Poland? I don't see anything.

The culture seems to encourage early marriage and family formation so Poland is full of Polish people instead of Arabs and Mexicans like the West. Seems like heaven on Earth to me. Although I guess I did miss the "thrill and excitement" of worrying about being shot in the face for my phone like in America, but I digress.

Tell me the dirt on Poland before I quit my 34,000 Zolty a month job and move there to live off my savings in Poland.
peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
12 Jul 2012 #2
Everything was great. Nice people. An abundance of beautiful women.

One thing which puzzles me deeply is why people from capitalistic and materialistic countries
care about people, women and we from former socialist country don't give a s.
OP nomen 2 | 15
12 Jul 2012 #3
Good question. I think people matter more than incomes or material possessions. I guess some of us are rejecting consumerism and materialism in favor of "people" as you say.

As for the rest, given the choice, would you rather live with/around beautiful and feminine women or fat-ugly-masculine women like in the West? The choice seems clear to me. Maybe you don't appreciate the women in Poland because you think they are representactive of the global norm (they aren't).

People are what make a country what it is. Not buildings. Not corporations. Not monuments. Not even language. It is the people that matter most of all, and I'm saying Poland contains the best people I've had the pleasure of meeting.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
13 Jul 2012 #4
Hahaha the Post First Trip Glow :)
A well known phenomenon,enjoy it while it lasts.
Scratch the surface below a nice holiday and Poland is just as shaby or just as glorious as pretty much every other nation in Europe.

You talk about natural feminine women (i'll leave the sexism aside ..) when what I see are Umpa Lumpa orange coloured gold diggers starving themselves into skinny jeans, wanting to bag a man, proclaiming their catholicness but screwing like bunny rabbits.......

Somewhere between your view and my maybe slightly exagerated view is a happy medium closer to the average reality of Poland :)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
13 Jul 2012 #5
So what's wrong with Poland?

Start working for 2000 PLN a month and you will see... and that's not the only problem here...
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
13 Jul 2012 #6
It's so obvious that the OP isn't Polish, or he would think very differently. From trams which stink of beer and incontinence, to town hall bureaucracy, there are many things wrong with Poland - though we all know about the great things too. But he just HAD to turn it into a UK-bashing exercise, didn't he? Meet me at GMEX station at 1700 and we can walk towards Victoria - I've nearly crashed my car on several occasions due to all the fit women around, but it's not really our fault if you come from a town full of porkers lol.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
13 Jul 2012 #7
It's so obvious that the OP isn't Polish, or he would think very differently. From trams which stink of beer and incontinence, to town hall bureaucracy, there are many things wrong with Poland - though we all know about the great things too. But he just HAD to turn it into a UK-bashing exercise, didn't he?

The OP never mentions the UK in his post. He mentions America:

The culture seems to encourage early marriage and family formation so Poland is full of Polish people instead of Arabs and Mexicans like the West. Seems like heaven on Earth to me. Although I guess I did miss the "thrill and excitement" of worrying about being shot in the face for my phone like in America, but I digress

OP nomen 2 | 15
13 Jul 2012 #8
This notion that acknowledging differences between the genders is bad and "sexism" is part of the politically correct West that I disagree with. In the West society struggles to destroy gender lines which I find extremely unnatural and disgusting.

I'd be semi-retired in Poland. If I wanted to work I'd do contracts in the U.S. for $75 an hour. I admit that it sticks to be poor anywhere and it's good to be well off anywhere. But if you're going to live roughly the same lifestyle either way would you rather be in Krakow or some shithole like Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit etc. I don't think many of you appreciate just how ****** most American cities are. And just how poor most Americans are. Very few Americans have a passport or ever travel by aircraft.

And things are only getting worse in America by the way. And unlike Poland there is no national identity or cultural unity. If things get bad enough I expect tribal warfare along racial lines, and everyone has semiautomatic rifles. So think about that for a second. Chicago alone has had over 300 gun murders so far this year and the police chief there calls it "tribal warfare like I saw in Iraq."

So...that...or Poland? And by the way I've been to Italy, Austria, Germany, Mexico, and ALl over the U.S. and they all suck compared to Poland. Unless you're just a consumer sheep that thinks life should be a giant shopping mall.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
13 Jul 2012 #9
And unlike Poland there is no national identity or cultural unity.

National identity and cultural unity? In Poland?

Anything but...
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
13 Jul 2012 #10
National identity and cultural unity? In Poland?

Why the surprise?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
13 Jul 2012 #11
Because it really isn't one identity at all once you go beneath the surface :)

(except during Euro 2012 - then it was one)
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
13 Jul 2012 #12
Because it really isn't one identity at all once you go beneath the surface :)

But we're talking surface here, aren't we? If you get to know another person really well, you also get to see all the quirks and deep-rooted insecurities and flashes of madness they keep deep inside, but they're still John with the brown hair who likes to cycle to work or bookish Mary who can't find a boyfriend to the general public. It's the same with nations, and Poland is no exception :-)

(except during Euro 2012 - then it was one)

And that's exactly what we should be discussing here - the national "public persona" or whatever it's called. Otherwise, you can't discuss society or nations, you can only discuss the Johns and Marys - and they aren't that simple to describe either ;-)
Wroclaw Boy
13 Jul 2012 #13
It is the people that matter most of all, and I'm saying Poland contains the best people I've had the pleasure of meeting.

Did you buy anything from a shop at all?

i think many people (especially the older) visit Poland and witness values which they're respective countries have long forgotten, well not really forgotten - more like subliminally brainwashed out of them.
OP nomen 2 | 15
13 Jul 2012 #14
Let me backtrack and say that I am not here to defend Poland. I was only there 10 days and many of you know the country much better than I. So I accept your criticism of Poland and suggestion that I may be viewing things thru rose colored glasses as they say.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,610
13 Jul 2012 #15
Tell me the dirt on Poland before I quit my 34,000 Zolty a month job and move there to live off my savings in Poland.

From trams which stink of beer and incontinence, to town hall bureaucracy, there are many things wrong with Poland

With his 34,000 zloty a month job, he is not obliged to get on a tram.
Voilà - 34,000 zloty a month, that's what America does for him and yet he despises America

[Nomen, don't ask what America may do for you, just ask what you may do for America!]
Harry
13 Jul 2012 #16
With his 34,000 zloty a month job, he is not obliged to get on a tram.

If he doesn't want to sit in Warsaw traffic for hours, he will need to get on a tram sometimes.
OP nomen 2 | 15
13 Jul 2012 #17
Never said I despise America, only that I really like Poland :).
wawa_marek 1 | 129
13 Jul 2012 #18
You talk about natural feminine women (i'll leave the sexism aside ..) when what I see are Umpa Lumpa orange coloured gold diggers

Maybe you met any of these young ladies...?
milky 13 | 1,657
13 Jul 2012 #19
So what's wrong with Poland?

Did you see the blocks? did you think they were as hot as the women?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
13 Jul 2012 #20
But if you're going to live roughly the same lifestyle either way would you rather be in Krakow or some shithole like Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit etc.

dude, cut the crap. you bring up what is probably the nicest city in Poland and then mention the USA's $hittiest. go ahead, make another ridiculous comparison to try and carry out your agenda. this isn't your first thread where you prop up Poland as much as you can and then crap on the USA in the next breath. give it a rest, you sound fecking ridiculous. you're just another guy who came to visit for a few days, saw lots of nice poon, and decided to find a polish forum to talk about it.

And unlike Poland there is no national identity or cultural unity.

Captain Obvious to the rescue! Hey boys and girls, you know why that's true? Because the United States of America is the largest melting pot in the world and Poland is......hooooooomogenous!!!

Let me backtrack and say that I am not here to defend Poland. I was only there 10 days and many of you know the country much better than I.

OH NO, what ever would have given us that impression. Haha, 10 days in Poland and you've already written off the USA as an inferior country. I had the goggles on a bit when I first moved to Poland but you my friend take the cake, and then the whole bakery. Get the fukc outta here, dude.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,610
13 Jul 2012 #21
the blocks? did you think they were as hot as the women?

Get the fukc outta here, dude.

So, Nomen, you've got what you wanted. You are not in line with the general policy of most of the forumers here, so take your semiautomatic rifle with you, and off you go to America to search for happiness in the Wild West.
OP nomen 2 | 15
13 Jul 2012 #22
Fuzzywickets ignored and blocked. Trolling is truly the international language. Keep it up though kid, your not bad.

As for the rest, what impressed me most about Poland wasn't the women, but the extreme level of individual liberty enjoyed by the polish people. I guess I am more sensitive than most to personal liberty as I am old enough to have watched it noticeably and steadily decline in America over the course of my life.

I'd rather be impoverished and free than live in a gilded cage.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
13 Jul 2012 #23
but the extreme level of individual liberty enjoyed by the polish people

Extreme level?

I suggest you start by examining how much of our correspondence is monitored. The owner of the antykomor.pl website might also like to talk to you.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
13 Jul 2012 #24
Trolling is truly the international language. Keep it up though kid, your not bad.

I've called you out on several occasions on this forum for swooping in and making Poland vs. The West comparisons....when it has nothing at all to do with the topic. It is the ONLY thing you have posted since you started here. And you call me a troll.

Keep it up though kid, your not bad.

Maybe calling me "kid" makes you feel older and more mature than you actually are but I can assure you you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm probably older than you are. Dear lord I hope I am, I can't imagine someone as naive as you being younger than me.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,610
13 Jul 2012 #25
Fuzzywickets ignored and blocked. Trolling is truly the international language.

Fuzzy is a genuine American patriot (not to be mistaken for that famous American "Patriot" rocket!) rather than a troll. But his views are very one-sided: the more he's ready to appraise things about America, the less he's ready to admit that Poland has something positive about her. He's too young to have ever had the chance to experience the reality behind the Iron Curtain, but believe me: the way he talks about Poland somewhat mirrors the way the communist junta in Poland used to talk about the US.

I suggest you start by examining how much of our correspondence is monitored. The owner of the antykomor.pl website might also like to talk to you.

This is an interesting case showing that citizens of every country should monitor what their governments do, and also showing that freedom of press is essential. The story mentioned by Delph ended in the Polish security service quickly abandoning the case against antykomor.pl just because the press and other media in Poland much publicized their action. President Komorowski of Poland followed suit in announcing that he never had any intention to make the antykomor.pl site closed down, neither did he make any attempts to alert the security service about it.

Recently I have seen several American films on the Viasat History channel showing how the US security service controlled US governments and US presidents in the 1960s and 1970s. The former chiefs of these services left no doubt about it: such things would continue to happen in America in the future. Therefore, the essential thing is to have free press and media to be able to talk about it aloud.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
13 Jul 2012 #26
Ziemowit,very succintly put,I absolutely agree.I've never been to Poland,but I would guess it is like the U.S. in terms of personal freedoms;or am I wrong?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
13 Jul 2012 #27
this argument keeps coming up on here and I think it really comes down to what you view as "freedom".
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
13 Jul 2012 #28
Maybe you met any of these young ladies...?

Cringe,yes, I was disapointed to discover Polish girls like this,thought it was only scousers and geordie lasses ......

Hey,why is everyone being so hard on nomen?
He has spent some time in Krakow,it does have a magic to the place when you dont really know Poland as a whole. I was,and I suspect a lot of us here were too,the same after my first week in Krakow......

The freedoms I suspect he dislikes in the US that are still being fought for in eastern europe will be there soon enough so that will just be another disapointment for him to take in,why add to the coming misery with trolling?
p3undone 8 | 1,135
13 Jul 2012 #29
FUZZYWICKETS,you have a point.I'm pretty sure that if I was in Poland I wouldn't have to keep tape over my mouth for fear of getting pinched if I said something that could be construed as bad by the Gov.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
13 Jul 2012 #30
I feel as though I'm more "free" where I live now, but it's entirely subjective. Conversely, when I went to Poland and saw naked women on magazine covers at Empik, I was totally shocked because that simply doesn't fly in the USA in a big public bookstore like that. It doesn't make one more "free" than the other, it just is.


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