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Lusatia allied with Poland?


polonius 54 | 420
3 Oct 2012  #1
Have you ever wondered whether Lusastia, the tiny Slav nation within eatsern Germany's broders, would have survived better or worse if the Big Three Allies had assigned it to Poland or granted it independent status under Polish protection. By survive I mean preserving its unique language and culture. Probably splitting it up and assigning the southern Lusatian groiup to the Czechs and the northern one to Poland would have accelerated assimilation and possibly by now not left even a trace of the language. What is yoru take on this?
Varsovian 92 | 634
3 Oct 2012  #2
With the exception of folk dances and half-remembered snippets of language, Slav culture had probably died there already. History is littered with failed states that have faded out of living memory. Ever heard of the Kingdom of Elmet?
OP polonius 54 | 420
3 Oct 2012  #3
Do you think they would have fared better (in terms of language and heritage preservation) within Poland, even if initially the PRL puppet state?
sobieski 107 | 2,128
3 Oct 2012  #4
by now not left even a trace of the language

Another proof you have no idea about how the region ticks. Did you ever drive by car in the border region around Bautzen? Saw the official bilingual language signs?
OP polonius 54 | 420
3 Oct 2012  #5
Would there have been more bilingual signs if Lusatia were within Poland? Or less? Poles are good about bilingual signs in Opole and around Puńsk.
sobieski 107 | 2,128
3 Oct 2012  #6
Good. That is how it should be. I like these bilingual signs.
TheOther 5 | 3,697
3 Oct 2012  #7
the Big Three Allies had assigned it to Poland or granted it independent status under Polish protection. By survive I mean preserving its unique language and culture.

Wouldn't the many centuries old German culture have survived better if the allies hadn't given Pomerania, East Prussia and Silesia to Poland?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
3 Oct 2012  #8
No, German culture has survived as well as it could. It was good to see Poles getting land from Germans rather than the other way around. It is called payback and it can be a ***** if you used to be the oppressor. Go cry in your strudel, Fritz.
jon357 63 | 14,122
3 Oct 2012  #9
Have you ever wondered whether Lusastia, the tiny Slav nation within eatsern Germany's broders, would have survived better or worse if the Big Three Allies had assigned it to Poland or granted it independent status under Polish protection.

No. Being surrounded by a dominant state ensures that any 'protection' deals would have been short lived.

Ever heard of the Kingdom of Elmet?

Yes.
TheOther 5 | 3,697
3 Oct 2012  #10

I was only ridiculing the idea that Lusatia should be Polish, Des. Same way I would if someone suggests that the old territories in the east should be given back to Poland. WW2 is long over and everybody has moved on. There's no place for revanchists anymore.
OP polonius 54 | 420
4 Oct 2012  #11
Here is an inieresting chart comparing the vocabulary of the two Lusatian dialects with other Slavonic tongues:

polski dolnołużycki górnołużycki czeski słowacki rosyjski połabski drzewiański kaszubski
człowiek cłowjek èłowjek èlověk èlovek человек [czieławiék] clawak, clôwak człowiek
wieczór wjacor wjeèor veèer veèer вечер [wiéczier] vicer wieczór
brat bratš bratr bratr brat брат [brat] brot brat
dzień źeń dźeń den deň день [dień] dôn dzéń
ręka ruka ruka ruka ruka рука [ruká] ręka rãka
jesień nazymje nazyma podzim jeseň осень [ósień] prenja zaima, jisin jeséń
śnieg sněg sněh sníh sneh снег [snieg] sneg snieg
lato lěśe lěćo léto leto лето [liéta] lato lato
siostra sotša sotra sestra sestra сестра [siestrá] sestra sostra
ryba ryba ryba ryba ryba рыба [rýba] ryba rëba
ogień wogeń woheń oheň oheň огонь [agóń] widin òdżiń
woda woda woda voda voda вода [wadá] wôda wòda
wiatr wětš wětřik, wětr vítr vietor ветер [wiétier] wjôter wiater
zima zymje zyma zima zima зима [zimá] zaima zëma
Zibi - | 336
4 Oct 2012  #12
Here is an inieresting chart comparing the vocabulary of the two Lusatian dialects with other Slavonic tongues:

Do not get excited Polonius. J..k off and go to bed now.
Funky Samoan 2 | 181
4 Oct 2012  #13
If you guys want to watch news in Sorbian language go ahead by clicking on this link: mdr.de/mediathek/fernsehen/a-z/wuhladko102_letter-W_zc-59d7 b54a_zs-dea15b49.html
Walker - | 11
24 Oct 2012  #14
there is one great metallic Serbian (of us southern Serbs as we are called by the Lusatians while we call them northern Serbs). Song is about Rujan island (Rugen in today`s Germany), beginning of the Germanic occupation of one vast Slavic region and destruction of greatest Svetovid`s temple and cult places, era of slavery, fall of Arkona, dark day of all the Serbians, all the Slavs, all us Sarmats >>>

Svarun - Besmrtna *** Сварун - Бесмртна *** Svarun - Inextinguishable

NOTE: Southern (Balkan) Serbs using Cirilic and Latin letters equally
TheOther 5 | 3,697
25 Oct 2012  #15
us southern Serbs as we are called by the Lusatians while we call them northern Serbs

Crow, please stop this nonsense for heaven's sake.
Walker - | 11
25 Oct 2012  #16
please, Crow is Crow. My brother (Crow) was always open in opinion that Germans themselves represent Germanized Serbs. But, I didn`t mention that. In my above post I only underlined that Balkan and Lusatian Serbs feel mutual connection. Its coming from fact that we are both aware that we Serbians (Lusatian and Balkan) represent last Slavs who still using ancient universal name of all Slavs- Sarmatian name in its specific local form (Serbians). Its the scientific, linguistic fact. Now, it is one reason for our connection but there are more reasons. We both also agree that Sarmatian (Serbian) name spread along the Danube river in direction from South to the North so in past we were directly connected by land in time before global Romanization/Germanization occurred on the vast territory that now separates us (with old core on Balkan from where spread bulk of population after last Ice Age finished). After all, Poles have legends of their Sarmatian (read Serbian) origin. Czechs would tell you that they originates from Boii what is nothing but Serboi- just another form of Sarmatian name. Its all on the geographical territory from Balkan to the Baltic, Danubian line

What to tell you man if you are surprised. Germanic scholars BS about history not me, not my family
Funky Samoan 2 | 181
25 Oct 2012  #17
Crow, even the most patriotic Lusatian Sorb does not question the affiliation of Lusatia to Germany.
Did you know that Stanislaw Tillich, the prime minister of Saxony, is a Lusatian Sorb? He even took his oath of office in the Lower Sorbian language, and he takes every chance he can to promote the Sorbian language: Some conservative Germans even say he has a real chance to become the next German chancellor after Angela Merkel.
Crow 137 | 7,590
13 Jul 2018  #18
Of course he spoke in Serbian. Sarmatian, to say Serbian flame is inextinguishable. Who in its own sanity can turn its back to such a venerable and glorious heritage. Heritage of solstice, sun and givers of the West. Hyperborean, Aryan Slavic West that was vulgarized and mocked by western Europe. He knows, same as I know, that even after very long night morning must come. As it is morning certain on this Earth, certain is fact that we would live in same country, with all our lands. Again free, as should be. Without false borders that evil set on us.

And have no fear sisters and brothers. Refuse life in fear. Heads up. Don`t fear Germanic monsters, their kin, friends and servants that wants to destroy our very name and last trace of us. They are small, so small to us. Lost souls. We shall win the battle that must be won. We are Serbs. The last bearers of the flame.

Slava! Long live freedom!

Arkona - Zasypiając w strachu (2013)

youtu.be/wXQ26D_XbIM


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