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I honestly doubt that his views can be changed in any way. I think you're being naive. He's here to present his views, not to change them.

And, anyway, Bobko is a guy who has no problem with the fact that innocent people are getting killed, cities destroyed and a country ruined to satisfy his country's imperialistic ambitions. Human life doesn't seem to be even a blip on his radar. He doesn't care. He doesn't seem to have any conscience and empathy. Do you think you can teach empathy and respect for human life to someone who has none? He is an adult man already. How are you going to do that?

Or maybe you also don't care?

It's strange to me that you get so invested in abortion issues, or women not wanting children, but at the same time you call someone like Bobko "not a bad guy". Russian soldiers are killing children too, not only adults. Children who have names and hopes and dreams already.


No, the people at the top won't change it, because they thrive on corruption. Only ordinary people can change it. Russians can't keep waiting for someone else to do that for them, because then the change will never happen. You have to take matters in your own hands. You have to organise yourselves. You, young people, could bring a change to your country. If not now, then once you're adults. You just have to believe that it's possible, that you can do it. Believe in yourselves. You're the future.

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@AntV, are you American? (just curious)


You can be friends with whomever you like, but if you were friends with a Nazi (not just any German, but a real Hitler supporter) I, as a fellow Pole, would make my feelings about it known to you. And I do that in case of Putinists too. Especially those who are so open about their imperialism. 🤮

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@AntV, but this thread is about Polish-Russian relations :)

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That was indeed the case until 2014. Not anymore though.


I did - in 2014. That was some rough wake up.


No, sorry, but I have no time to look for those posts. I know you don't support the invasion, but that was my general impression from your comments.

Btw, when I started my discussions with Russians I was a bit of a Russophile. Would you believe it now?? :)))

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@AntV, I entered into a rational exchange of perspectives with pro-Putin Russians seven years ago - I was more like GefreiterKania is now back then (just more balanced mentally and emotionally than him lol). And I kept going for those seven years. I was even one of the last Poles who gave up on those exchanges.

I'm all about discussing issues, but that's not all GefreiterKania is doing and I personally find his behaviour disgusting.


I honestly doubt that patting the back of Russians like Bobko will sow any seeds of peace. Germans were doing that for years and "understanding" them and look at the result. Bobko is able to return that pat on the back, because it costs him nothing. That's just empty talk. Later he will be able to put a knife in your back (that same back of yours that he patted) for the "good" of his country or level Warsaw to the ground. Judging by his stoic composure he probably won't even blink while doing so.

Btw, AntV, I've noticed a visible pro-appeasement (towards Russia) slant in many of your posts on the thread about the invasion, so, sorry, but you're not any authority for me as far as Polish-Russian relations are concerned.


GF isn't a Nazi or a facist, but I've noticed a touch of Polish imperialism in him on a few occasions. Maybe that's why he sees eye to eye with Bobko. Which just makes it worse.

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People like you and their support for Putin and the invasion of Ukraine are creating that "terrible context". You're responsible for that "terrible context". You and others like you have blood on their hands.

And, Bobko, for me you're worse than some poor, uneducated simpleton living in some Russian province and having only contact with Russian state TV. You live in the West and have access to all the information. You're intelligent and educated. You have no excuse, unlike some hick in the Russian countryside.

And you have an Ukrainian girlfriend! What is wrong with her?? Or do you hide your views from her and her parents? I wonder about the same in case of Dirk diggler - that Nazi lover claims to have a Jewish girlfriend o_O What a mindf*ck.


Then don't. I usually try not to allow those two to get the better of me either. I see a difference, however, between not being hateful and aggressive and actively engaging in blissful exchanges of pleasantries with an imperialist Russian scum, like Bobko, who's supporting evil actions of his country, with full knowledge of what those actions entail ("flattening cities", etc.). You two are patting each other's backs while people are dying in Ukraine and the country is being wrecked. It's disgusting.

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Kania having German roots? Hmm, that would explain it... 🤔 lol

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Sorry, but you're like Novichok - a complete waste of time. I have better things to do in life ;)


Then you're wrong.


I'm afraid he's not playing... lol

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That mutual respect was possible because that German officer from "The Pianist" was a "good German". Also Oskar Schindler and the German officer who gave food to my grandfather's starving family were what we call "good Germans". They were so rare during the Nazi occupation of Poland that this term became somewhat proverbial.

Ukrainians these days are calling your people "good Russians" if they're anti-Putin and are against invading Ukraine and other neighbouring countries. Those "good Russians" are also rare, unfortunately.

You're not "a good Russian" though, Bobko. You're a Putinist. If you lived in the times of World War II in Germany you would be what Poles call a "hitlerowiec". A follower of Hitler and you'd be giving us in your cultured, well-mannered way your perspective on what "the Great Reich" wants.


You're clearly not intelligent enough to understand why I'm writing what I'm writing, so just ignore my posts and don't waste my time.


I'm not preaching, I'm sharing my thoughts and observations, just like you do. I'm not telling Russians to shut up on this forum, so I don't know what's your problem. As for me personally - as I already wrote more than once, I've discussed with Russians for 7 years and I know pretty well what they think and how they think and even how they lie and manipulate. But knock yourself out.

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Yes :)

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And me:

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@GefreiterKania, sorry, but me stating that Bobko is "mentally an executioner" makes more sense than you stating that a married, childless woman is "mentally a spinster".


People like Bobko and Velund are supporting and keeping leaders like Putin in power. They're supporting an invasion of Poland's neighbour, the destruction of a country and it's people. Just to put things into perspective.


Screw you too. I'm tired of your mood swings, I'm done with you, strange person :/


Exactly... :(

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You've shown us the perspective of a Russian imperialist who has no regard for human life, for the independence of other countries and no empathy. If that's the "Russian perspective" then I want a big wall to be built between Russia and Europe, a big, thick and a very high wall so we wouldn't have to deal with you people until you come to your senses (which may be never).


Yes, you Russians are good at it. Winning people over in this way and even whole nations and their political leaders. Many pro-Putin Russians were nice to me personally. Russians are very nice people on the personal level. You get an impression that all they want is to be friends, for our nations and countries to be friends. The problems start when you stop talking about books and kittens and scratch that pleasant surface. And underneath that pleasant, friendly surface there's an imperialist Bobko and all the Velunds who think that Ukraine is a fake country, Ukrainians are a fake nation and Nazis and their language is fake and invading and killing your Slavic "brothers" is OK. You get people deprived of empathy, amoral, cynical, hypocritical, cruel, narrow-minded, brainwashed and with no respect for other countries.

I don't mean the anti-Putin, pro-democratic Russian liberals, of course. They're normal, humane people, like us. But judging by the polls they are a small minority in Russia.


I'll put it like this - if some very cultured, elegant, intelligent, educated and well-mannered Nazi officer had a pleasant chat with you about ballet and Russian literature, he would give you some compliments and then he would shoot your sister in the head, because, in his mind, that was in the best interest of his country, would you care more about the fact that he was well-mannered towards you or that he shot your sister in the head? What would be more important for you?

For me Bobko is an executioner. An executioner wearing white gloves who perhaps haven't soiled his hands with blood yet, but mentally - an executioner nevertheless.

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@pawian, it's sickening to me too. Kania is exchanging pleasantries with Bobko even though he knows what a Russian imperialist he is and that he supports the invasion on Ukraine. What the hell?


In a way we are, imho.


He would answer that Auschwitz-Birkenau is fake news and anti-German propaganda.


As we can see by the example of Russia, discussion boards and the internet most probably wouldn't have changed anything...

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Even if it's true (and I don't know if it is) then those two nations lost the most due to World War II. It would be rather understandable if they wished the Germans did more to stop Hitler.


lol


I can't change Russians. I tried for 7 years. I completely gave up after Crimea annexation, because I've realised what they have become (or who they were all along...).

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@Novichok, I don't think that quote is meaningless. I think it's very true.

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Yup, just like Putin can count on Russians...


I kicked your ass many times, for example :)))


No, I meant both sexes.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

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You men and your egos... lol

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@Cojestdocholery, I take back that "sorry" - you deserved it :)

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I did a quick test in Polish on 16personalities site and my result was INFP-T. I've got to say that I had problems about deciding about some questions (I was trying not to give "neutral" answers, as advised by the site) and the description of that type doesn't seem to describe me 100%. A lot of it is correct though, I guess.


Does that mean that I'm a typical Pole? lol ;)
Where did you see such info that the most common type in Poland is INFP?



Ah, so these are results for Poland:

16personalities.com/country-profiles/poland

But I've checked some different countries and in every country INFP-T is the most common type. So I guess I'm more like a typical human? lol Or a typical internet user? Dunno... 🤔🤷

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@RussianAntiPutin, it looks like you were correct :)


I don't know about Miloslaw and I don't know all those MBTI types, so I could be wrong, but after reading the description I see some of pawian's traits in ISTP, I guess :):

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISTP

verywellmind.com/istp-introverted-sensing-thinking-perceiving-2795993


NVBP (Not a Very Bright Person) ;D (sorry, I couldn't help myself lol)


I don't know, but probably some kind of mediator :)

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@Neczypor, RussianAntiPutin already diagnosed me as a INFJ and I think she's correct :) But that's a very rare type and I don't think it has anything to do with me being Polish.


People in Eastern Europe or colder climates are usually rather reserved and often introverted, I guess, but it doesn't automatically mean they're INTJ. It's more complicated than that - nations in Central and Eastern Europe, for example, have common characteristics, but they also differ from each other.

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I don't think so... Poles are a rather introverted nation, but INTJ sounds more like Germans to me, I guess (?)...


Yeah, that's more like it...

i.etsystatic.com/29486337/r/il/3ddd9e/3122021365/il_fullxfull.3122021365_5qvi.jpg

"Poetic, kind and altruistic"

Yup :)

Novichok would love that "poetic" part :D

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I've never taken that test, but judging by the Polish Wikipedia description of the type you assigned to me it looks pretty accurate :) I'd say that in general I am an INFJ, but more precisely a mix of INFJ-A and INFJ-T, judging by the comparison of those two that I've read, I guess. 🤔

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@pawian lol


Btw, I watched a video on YouTube of a woman from Crimea, I think, asking people in the streets of Crimea or Odessa (or both, I don't remember exactly) what they know and think about Poland and Poles and I was surprised how many people with Polish roots live there... I'm sure there's nowhere near as many people with Polish roots in Ukraine as there are with Russian roots, but still - I personally was surprised.

I remembered about this video because of the surnames mentioned in that article: "Mr. Senkevych" (Sienkiewicz), "Kryzhanovska" (Krzyżanowska).

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Really? There's a war in his country and not a lot to discuss? Did he tell you whether there are any Nazis in Mykolaiv? lol

A quote from the article I linked to:

"Driven out of a nearby village, Natalia Holovenko, 59, was in a line to register for aid when she began sobbing. "We don't have any Nazis here!" she said, a reference to Russian President Vladimir V. Putin's false justification of the war as needed to "de-Nazify" Ukraine. "He just wants to kill us."

In her imploring eyes the madness of this Russian project seemed etched."

And another quote from that article:

'He sees this as a war between cultures - in Russia, the leader says something "and the sheep follow," he said, but in Ukraine, democracy has taken hold. In Mr. Putin's Russia, everything said means the opposite: "protect" means "invade" and "military targets" means "civilians." In Ukraine, Mr. Senkevych said, "we live in reality."'

And an illustration to this quote:

fb.watch/dPcEJaYHcL/

lol

This is how Poles view Russians as a society... Barany... Sheep... Рабы...


Bwahahaha... Sorry, Bobko, but we know that Russian "brotherly" curiosity all too well... Ukrainians know it all to well too... We'd rather you were less "curious" and stayed within your borders.

As an illustration - another quote from that article:

'"It's our 'brother Russians' who do this," said one, Larisa Kryzhanovska. "I don't even hate them, I just pity them."'

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Bobko?

I remember that name mentioned in news reports:

nytimes.com/2022/06/22/world/europe/ukraine-mykolaiv-russia.html

Aren't you worried that your cousin will get killed?


Not really, Poles compare Poland to all kinds of countries... I see people making comparisons with Spain usually only if it's about the size of the country and GDP or sth like that... My impression is that Poles most often compare Poland vs Germany. I think it's because many Poles went to work there (and so they're able to compare), it's our neighbour (so people can visit it more easily) and because it's "the bestest" in Europe (the most successful country and is associated with quality, etc.). I've got an impression that it's an aspiration of many Poles for Poland to reach the level of Germany's developemnt. There are some comparisons made between Poland and the UK also, since many Poles went to work there too. It's usually the opposite with Russia - it isn't viewed as a role model, but everything that Poles wouldn't want Poland to be.

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Yes, exactly, I was thinking the same. And a country being destroyed. Rebuilding it will take years and God knows how much money. But it shows how detached from reality Bobko is (and how much he lacks empathy most probably). He seems to view things only from his own perspective. He sits safe and comfortable in New York and his greatest problem is that he can't discuss politics with his cousin... 🙄

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You have no idea what you're talking about (how can you be so wrong and out of touch so often?):

facebook.com/groups/pomocdlaukrainypl/permalink/781112673243444/

(I can't copy a fragment on my phone, so you'll have to read the whole thing.)


This makes this war just more f*cked up in the eyes of outsiders/observers (like Poles).


Do you talk with him about the war and the situation in Nikolayev?