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Poland and Britain started WW2


Rw Greenlee
5 Sep 2017 #91
Cos they were told lies all there life
Atch 17 | 3,706
5 Sep 2017 #92
But that doesn't justify your earlier assumption that anyone who thinks Hitler was wrong is a Jew. Once you start widening the net you have 'if you think Hitler was wrong you're either a Jew or a Christian' which really does sound ridiculous. You'd actually have to add the Atheists too as most of them wouldn't agree with his worldview either so you then end up with 'if you think Hitler was wrong you're either a Jew, a Christian or an Atheist'. Also you wouldn't find too many Buddhists who'd be fans of old Adolf, so the whole thing becomes ludicrous.
Lyzko 37 | 8,704
5 Sep 2017 #93
Hitler, as the Nazis on the whole, possibly even German society as unmasked by the meteoric rise of the entire regime, were neither Christian nor even Judeo-Christian, but PAGAN to the bone, and apparently never Christianized! Hitler himself often mocked Christianity as having too much of a Jewish conscience:-) He considered the Germanic "race" barbarians, proud of being barbarians!
Atch 17 | 3,706
5 Sep 2017 #94
Yes, I'm sure I read some quote from him years ago along the lines of 'one can be either a German or a Christian but not both'. But I'm not sure it's fair to suggest that German society was pagan at heart. Anyway is Pagan such a bad thing? Apart from human sacrifice of course and I don't think all Pagan religions practised that.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,444
5 Sep 2017 #95
German society as unmasked by the meteoric rise of the entire regime

What do you mean by 'meteoric rise'? There was solid political and economic background behind it.The Allies put too much strain on the German economy after the WWI in demanding and executing war reparations which triggered evil forces to swim up onto the surface of the German society and then take it over completely
Rw Greenlee
5 Sep 2017 #96
Either way Hitler was right
kaprys 3 | 2,286
5 Sep 2017 #97
What was he right about?
TheOther 6 | 3,692
5 Sep 2017 #98
...possibly even German society ..., were neither Christian nor even Judeo-Christian, but PAGAN to the bone

Guess you've never been to Bavaria then.. They are catholic to the bone.
Rw Greenlee
5 Sep 2017 #99
What was he doing right about everything
Rw Greenlee
5 Sep 2017 #100
Hitler was a very very smart man and no I am not a polock
kaprys 3 | 2,286
5 Sep 2017 #101
@Lyzko
He's all yours.
Someone with poor English is making antisemitic remarks - yet not a Pole.
Teach him a lesson in history and English ;)

@Rw Greenlee
What makes you think Hitler was a smart man? His hatred towards Jews?
Oklol
18 Oct 2018 #102
ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n3p22_Degrelle.html

Fun fact:Hitler did not snub Jesse Owens and was not racist
ShaunF
2 Sep 2020 #103
Germans living in Poland were brutally, and I mean brutally murdered day after day night after night. There is literal evidence that Germany requested it to stop and wanted peace. Bloody Sunday saw an end to any peace treaty. Don't believe what you read on Wikipedia or what you find on Google.
gumishu 13 | 6,064
2 Sep 2020 #104
yeah, believe what you find on stormfront instead
dolnoslask 6 | 3,075
2 Sep 2020 #105
Germans living in Poland were brutally, and I mean brutally murdered

When and where was this ?
pawian 200 | 21,491
2 Sep 2020 #106
stormfront instead

No, he/she still reads Volkischer Beobachter. hahaha
Sinpig - | 1
6 Jan 2023 #107
odysee.com/@Anon:96/europa:e6 This comprehensive and shocking documentary provides all the information you need about who and why WW2 was started and much more. The claims made at the beginning of this thread are all true.
pawian 200 | 21,491
6 Jan 2023 #108
The claims made at the beginning of this thread are all true.

BS. None of them really shows Polish desire to start a war with Germany..

Even when they are true, they don`t mean that Poland was pushing for war.

E.g, one of those true falsities in the OP`s post is -
Poland fully mobilized their troops on 30 August.

Yes, because German troops had already been amassed at the border, waiting for the order to invade which came on 1 September.
The truth is that Poland announced the national mobilisation too late which was one of the reasons we lost the campaign of 1939 within one month instead of fighting for half a year.

But the OP still presents it as pushing for war. AmaSSing guy.
jon357 71 | 20,799
6 Jan 2023 #109
The claims made at the beginning of this thread are all true.

No they aren't. Nazi Germany and their Soviet pig allies invaded Poland

Not the other way round.
Preview
6 Jan 2023 #110
they don`t mean that Poland was pushing for war.

What about this?

jstor.org/stable/1874988
pawian 200 | 21,491
6 Jan 2023 #111
this?

Sorry, I am not going to open your worthless sites. Tell us shortly what they contain. Quote two or three sentences, it is allowed here.
Preview
6 Jan 2023 #112
worthless sites

You don't have much clue, do you? This is the article:

"JOURNAL ARTICLE
Did Pilsudski Attempt to Initiate a Preventive War in 1933?
Zygmunt J. Gasiorowski
The Journal of Modern History
Vol. 27, No. 2 (Jun., 1955), pp. 135-151 (17 pages)
Published By: The University of Chicago Press"
pawian 200 | 21,491
6 Jan 2023 #113
Did Pilsudski Attempt to Initiate a Preventive War in 1933?

Yes, I was right saying it is worthless.
Primo - this thread is about WW2, not 1933.
Secundo: Piłsudski was long dead when WW2 broke out. If he had lived, the things might have run differently. Hitler appreciated and respected Piłsudski as a politician.

All in all, this exchange with you is a waste of time. Try harder.
Preview
6 Jan 2023 #114
this thread is about WW2, not 1933

You said that Poland was not pushing for a war, and I showed you that they actually did years before the start of WW2. Try harder, teacher.
jon357 71 | 20,799
7 Jan 2023 #115
a Preventive War in 1933?

A shame he didn't. Anything to stop the Nazis in their tracks would have been positive.

Piłsudski was long dead when WW2 broke out.

And dying by 1933. A very good man; Poland needs the like of Pilsudski again.

cool guy and very ambitious and successfu

He isn't though, is he...
pawian 200 | 21,491
7 Jan 2023 #116
You said that Poland was not pushing for a war

Yes, but I meant 1939. Quite logical in this thread. It isn`t my fault that you misunderstood that logic.

teacher.

Yes, I will teach you that when the thread name includes the term WW2 and I comment on the claims in the OP`s post which is about WW2, then I do mean WW2 and not some prehistory.

Why don`t you start a thread called: Did Poland push for the war when Hitler came to power?
pawian 200 | 21,491
7 Jan 2023 #117
Anything to stop the Nazis in their tracks would have been positive.

Yes, but we know it today while nobody could predict future tragic events in 1933-35.

A very good man; Poland needs the like of Pilsudski again.

Partly. He organised the May 1926 coup d etat and introduced semi dictatorship in Poland. Not very noble achievement, in the light of our neighbours Czechs who enjoyed true democracy through the whole pre war period.
jon357 71 | 20,799
7 Jan 2023 #118
He organised the May 1926 coup d etat and introduced semi dictatorship in Poland.

True, however he was transparent about it, open and honest. Plus of course the issue that Poland and Czechoslovakia had very different political and social issues to deal with as well as very different economies.
pawian 200 | 21,491
7 Jan 2023 #119
he was transparent about it, open and honest

Semi or full dictatorship with or without transparency is still dictatorship, the political system we both reject in today`s Poland. Don`t we??? :):):)

Poland and Czechoslovakia had very different political and social issues to deal with

Political and social differences existed but didn`t play such a role. What really mattered was the national character.
As for different economies, yes. But still differences between Polish agricultural and Czech industrial economy didn`t predestine those countries to choose democratic or dictatorial path.
jon357 71 | 20,799
7 Jan 2023 #120
dictatorship, the political system we both reject in today`s Poland.

In today's Poland.

In the Poland where the first democratically elected President was gunned down on the steps of an art gallery by a loon with significant support, there was a compelling case for putting it on hold until times were ready for it.

Polish agricultural and Czech industrial economy didn`t predestine those countries to choose democratic or dictatorial path.

Democracy works better in an urban society; in the Poland of that time, achieving any sort of informal consensus was in itself progress.


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