Poland and Britain started WW2

And will Ukraine be represented?

Are you responding to 329?

If so, then respond to 329, not to your inferences.

Rich, I said were it not for Americans, Russians might have not won the war against Germany - you said: "but were it not for Russians there would be no D-Day" - sure, they wouldn't: that's why I said "Americans didn't win the II World War on their own" - I hope you understand now

I understood all of this before you were born.

*sure, there wouldn't be D-Day

D-Day saved Western Europe from russia.

That and the British Armt (together with Polish forces) liberating Denmark which the r*SSian's were racing to try to take. It was very close; Denmark almost ended up behind the iron curtain.

...because Russia was busy killing 4,000,000 Germans in 200 divisions and thus winning the bloody war...

Western allies were metoos. As a reward, they lost 4% of what Russia did. That was smart...Let them do all the dying and claim equality...


Grow up.

Rich, be reasonable. West puts different values on human life than Russia. West's goal is to win a war with minimal losses; Russia's goal is to throw a large amount of meat into the meat grinder until the meat grinder can no longer handle the capacity. Which does not diminish the Russians' sacrifices

Blimey! You at last make a sensible post!

Unfortunately you then follow your initial post with this;


????? The Russian sacrifices were inhuman!
Yes, Russia got the job done, but the manner they did it in is not acceptable by normal humans.

So what is the purpose of your sermon? That is exactly what I said, unless you are talking to my hand.

Germany lost 4,000,000 soldiers fighting Soviets vs 10,000,000 Soviets fighting Germans.

Those numbers are close enough to be comparable. This makes your argument about how Russia doesn't care about human life weak. Neither did Germans.

If you compare the results - 4,000,000 Germans killed by the USSR vs 770,000 killed by the West - those, too, show who won WW2 - with Russia killing 85% of the total.

Those numbers are not even close.


What would be the acceptable manner to you?

Keep in mind that the USSR lost 13,000,000 civilians.

How many did the UK? 60,000. It's a laughable number compared to the 13,000,000 on the Soviet side.

Just a reminder...Germans killed or executed 2,000,000 Russians soldiers in 1941 alone.

You would be right if you used real, honest numbers, but let us assume your sources are honest, you are forgetting the difference between the soldiers killed by Russians
and those killed by the West. In the West, most of the dead were highly trained specialists, submariners, pilots, and sailors. In other words, there is a difference between foot soldiers and, let's say, pilots. So it is not one for one, there is no equation between a wiped-out battalion and a submarine at the bottom of the ocean
numerically, similar in numbers, but in importance, more like a thousand to one. Russians were heroic and fierce fighters, deserving all the credit, but the Western and Eastern fronts were like comparing apples and oranges

Specialists never won a war.

Wars are won by the boots on the ground.

Sadly, Polish foot soldiers were no match for German tanks and Stukas.

The war in Ukraine is being won by specialists... in drones and combat robots.

When do you think the specialists will win this war?

Also, if U specialists are winning, why are 500,000 of their brothers dead now?

Those specialists could operate their drones and robots from the South Beach in Miami where babes are hot and beer is cold.

When the time comes.

If U specialists are winning, why are 500,000 of their brothers dead now?

I would say the Chechs started it by provoking hitler.

So true, both subscribed to the "Meat Grinder" doctrine just as Russia still does to this day.


A totally irrelevant comparison.The UK is not on mainland Europe and was better defended.

I find all references to "meat grinders" disrespectful and disgusting as the term implies deliberate cruelty.

Every country does what it can to defend itself. From the pov of men who died and their families, stats don't matter. What matters is this one person who will never be coming home.

In this sense, Russia is not uniquely worse than Western "democracies". One of them lost 58,000 of its very best for nothing. Would their parents feel better if it was 580,000?

Of course it does you moron!! It is disgusting and certainly implies deliberate cruelty..... how can you not see it any other way?

I will let PF Russians respond to your post. I doubt they will because it is so sick.

For the record...It was your country and that POS Boris along with the American POS Biden who started this war when they told Z not to sign any agreement with Putin and fight.

I wonder how they bribed him...

Fake news

r*SSian propaganda even.