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Austria's swing to the far right on Poland?


Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
25 Oct 2017  #91
I never said those who criticize pis are leftists, despite the fact that more often than not their critics esp outside of pl are leftists. I wrote 'sorry if that doesn't fit into your multikulti far left EU values' meaning poles, both po and pis voters, reject the migrant quotas and do not want migration from me and Africa. The EU was established to be a pro business, pro freedom of movement union amongst European countries. It has since taken on a divisive political role with merkels Germany and her friends in Brussels being the leaders. What they failed to predict is how much the nations east of Germany would resist to having their demographics changed and their culture eroded. The EU's biggest mistake was undermining the culture and demographics of the countries. They thought they could slowly turn Europe into some monolithic continent. What they failed to realize is that Europeans, especially east of Germany regard themselves as Polish, Hungarian, Bulgarian, etc first. The continent has faced was too many wars and conflicts for nations to just give up their identity. Even in Germany and austria people are reasserting their position that they don't want their western style liberal German Austrian or whatever culture to be threatened by forced multiculturalism.

Also Poland has far higher freedoms than many other countries. I posted the ranks and who its above and who its behind a week or so again. I can repost once I get to work and use the pc. Unlike england Germany etc we don't have thought crimes where criticizing the migrant crisis and Islamic terror results in a fine or jail. Also, Poland has civil unions for gays and they are given the same rights as a married couple with the exception of being formally called 'a married couple' as gay marriage is prohibited by the polish constitution. We don't throw gays off roofs or put them in jail like Muslims do. Poland actually has a higher or equal freedom ranking than many other western nations.

Now Sweden is on a campaign to rehabilitate Isis fighters and reintegrate them into society. They even give them special status and keep their identities secret. All in the name of reintegrating them, as if they were so integrated into Swedish society in the first place. Not to mention giving them benefits and kissing both cheeks while rapes of native swedish women skyrocket. Ooh soooo tolerant

The us state department estimates that 30% of European Isis fighters have returned to Europe. The rest were killed,remained in the me, or are in prison being tortured as I type this. Most of these fighters are from western european countries. Have fun w Europe. Every time an islamic terror attack occurs in France, Spain, Germany, UK, etc it only makes polands Hungary's Austria's etc border policies all that more sensible and bring more countries to our side.
SigSauer 4 | 443
26 Oct 2017  #92
@Atch

I'm American, living in the Middle East, and previously lived in Ukraine 2014-16.

@Tacitus

I want to respond to each of you when I have more time. I just want to say how disappointed I am to hear BOTH of you go straight to the FALSE EQUIVALENCY and point out a mass shooting in America. I'm surprised you didn't bring up Christian atrocities from 600 years ago and draw more false parallels between the two. You need to understand, it does not reduce your virtue or feel-good points to simply point out these particular cultures and their ideology have a REAL problem with violence and sexual assault, the problem often is the left conflates this observation and says that we said its "ALL." No one has ever said its ALL, but it is certainly an unhealthy number, whether its 25% or 80%, its far too much.

You are both SO DISMISSIVE about the deaths and rapes that have occurred in Europe, and that is my problem with your sentiment, that you have such a great deal of sympathy for these people from cultures which aren't yours, but you seemingly have no sympathy for the people whose lives have been irrevocably changed by these savages.

I'll write a more detailed point by point reply later on.
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,347
29 Oct 2017  #93
True, but only because our glorious politicians were sleeping at the switch for so long, by the time they finally woke up, the damage had already been done.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
29 Oct 2017  #94
@Lyzko

Well no other group is driving driving vans into crowds, cutting off British soldiers heads in the street, massacring Europeans, etc.
How exactly is being strict on border control and not wanting a flood of migrants threatening to democracy? The West's border and immigration policies are a joke. The czechs have decided to also limit the ampunt of migrants enforced on them. The 100 agreed to take in came in after much kicking and screaming. The czech people didn't want them. The government will vet those 100 people and ulimately its up to them to decide whether to tale them as a genuine refugee (which czechy should do if theyre a refugee and not ecpnomic migrant). Do you even know how much harder and more strict immigration policies are in other countries including Democratic ones where the migrants are often coming from I.e.mexico - its very hard for a Guatemalan to obtain Mexican citizenship and the guatemalen border is strictly controlled by mexico. On the other hand dozens of middle east and Arab countries won't give you a visa if you're not healthy let alone citizenship.

@TheOther
No shyt. The same erdogan family profited a billion of Isis oil. He waved the hordes of migrants both those from me to Europe and from Europe to Syria because it would destabilize those countries which Turkey can tale advantage of. The EU has been courting turkey to stop the migrants for about a year.
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,347
30 Oct 2017  #95
Then again, a lone, (very) white, Nordic Anders Breivik massacred his own, in what is still one for the books as a completely unprovoked rampage.

Check out Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" and then come back and say that you can't somewhat understand the Arab's ongoing rage at the West, especially the US.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
30 Oct 2017  #96
@Lyzko

The amount of killings by far right whites and the crimes committed in the name of Islam don't even come close. Over 20k people die each year in the name of Islam. Source: thereligionofpeace.com which keeps a detailed account of every attack, location, scenario, injuries and fatalities, etc. There have been tens of thousands of attacks since 9/11.

Yes I can understand why some people are passed at the West esp the us. If I was a Muslim living in Afghanistan and a drone bombed my house or killed my family id seek revenge too
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,347
30 Oct 2017  #97
Can't argue that point!

Yet, violence only begets (more) violence and while it'll sure make ya feel good for a while, it ain't gonna bring back the dead now, is it?

As far as the amount of killings, the equally white National Socialists probably killed more people (including their own as well) than almost any other single political group in modern memory, next to Mao, Idi "Dada" Amin, and Pol Pot.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,465
30 Oct 2017  #98
white National Socialists probably killed more people

Sadly leftist marxist commie Stalin killed more 20 -60m, but who's picking at straws extremists either way VERY BAD.
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,347
30 Oct 2017  #99
True, dolno. Yet nonetheless, Stalin's crew were, once again, white, not brown:-)
dolnoslask 5 | 2,465
30 Oct 2017  #100
Stalin's crew were, once again, white, not brown:

Sorry you lost me, you sayin stalin nice nazi boy brown shirt bad?
TheOther 5 | 3,759
30 Oct 2017  #101
In the US, we are losing approx. 100,000 people every year to drug overdoses and firearms, and no one seems to care.

drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,347
30 Oct 2017  #102
??? Whatcha been smokin'?? "Brown" refers to "Brown shirts", not brown skinLOL
dolnoslask 5 | 2,465
30 Oct 2017  #103
not brown skinLOL

Yes I know what a brown shirt is dad killed plenty, i was asking if you prefer stalin over the brown shirts (NAZIS)
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
31 Oct 2017  #104
@TheOther
Most of those deaths of attribute to Darwin's theory of natural selection. Only stupid people willingly inject a drug 100x more powerful than morphine and even when they're on death's door and get revived by one of Chicago's finest on the West side they're back to it within an hour... in the same neighborhoods where people shoot each other over a guy scuffing your Jordan's (how many shooting here start)..

@Lyzko
The Bolsheviks and later communist party killed 20-60+ mil. Also there was no white russian, central Asian etc during Stalin's time - everyone was considered a Soviet. Stalin's body count is unquestionably higher than hitlers.. then add other commies like pol pot and Mao and we see that communism and socialism more of a death toll than any other political ideology. Why people still espouse the virtues of communism and socialism is beyond me. Just take a look at what's happening in the country with the world's largest oil reserves - Venezuela

Also idi amin killed a couple hundred thousand he's not even in thr same ballpark.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
31 Oct 2017  #105
@Lyzko

Also no one's espousing violence. We want to keep our low crime low murder rate society as is. That's why we aim to stop any riff raff at the border and keep it out. One of the main reasons why Poland doesn't want migrants is because of all the violence they've caused in france, germaby, Sweden etc. Poland welcomes foreigners who want to work study and contribute to the society. A person needs to merely walk around the rynek in Warsaw Krakow or wroclaw to see how many foreigners have come in the past few years. Yes most of them are Ukrainians but there's a lot from other Europeans countries, india, china, korea, etc
TheOther 5 | 3,759
31 Oct 2017  #106
Darwin's theory of natural selection.

Most of these people live in red states and don't believe in evolution...

The point is that terrorists are certainly the most despicable scum on Earth, but that fact is taking away the spotlight from the real culprits in designer suits who hide behind the scenes and kill far more people with their actions than anybody else. 100,000 per year, 1 milllion in a decade ... and that is in the USA alone! Their names are NRA, big pharma and the drug lords, and I haven't even mentioned all the wars around the world yet that make the fat cats of the miliitary-industrial complex even fatter every year and cost millions upon millions of lives. The rise of the right is a result of their meddling in societies across the globe.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
31 Oct 2017  #107
The rise of the right is a result of their meddling in societies across the globe.

Actually its more of a result of the left's economic failures with raising taxes and redistribution of wealth as well as imposing ideologies like multiculturalism, open borders, destruction of the family unit, suppression of Christians, suppression of patriotism, suppression of freedoms guaranteed in the constitution like the right to bear arms, free speech, etc

industrial complex even fatter every year and cost millions upon millions of lives

The same industrial complex is buddied up with both the left and right - no difference... both sides support the military industrial complex due to their lobbying efforts and intertwinement with the government as a whole.. it's not like the military's budget or Lockheed, Raytheon, boeing, etc stocks were crashing when leftists like Obama, Clinton, etc were in power as opposed to Bush or Trump.. the US has long followed a neo-imperialist policy establishing bases all around the world - this is nothing new and it doesn't have to do with either the left or right as its been going on gradually ever since the civil war, ww2, and to the present..

Most of these people live in red states and don't believe in evolution...

Not true. NYC, Chicago, LA are the hotbeds where the majority of murders, gang violence, drug dealing, etc take place. Cook county of Chicago has consistently had more hospital room visits for overdoses than any other county in the US. Additionally, 4k+ shootings a year is considered normal in this city. I don't know of many red states that have 4k shooting in their largest city, let alone in the entire state. Actually states like Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Alaska, Wisconsin, etc that are 'red state' have a far lower relative level of homicides and shootings than places like Illinois, California, etc.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
31 Oct 2017  #108
Example - in Texas in 2016 there were 1,500 murders - an uptick from 1,300 murders the year before...
Chicago in 2016 had 800 murders in 2016

The population of Chicago in 2016 was 2.7 million, the population of Texas in 2016 was 28 million - over 10x as much people in Texas than in Chicago, yet slightly less than 2x as many murders....

And Texas has one of the highest murder rates in the US....

On the other hand, LA, NYC and Houston all had right around 300 murders in 2016....

Left vs right, gun control vs none has little change on the homicide rate. Chicago had up until recently the strictest gun policy in the US (and still has one of the strictest) and yet is the murder capital - and it's actually down from the worst years of the 90's when there was a total ban on guns.
johnny reb 16 | 3,509
31 Oct 2017  #109
Most of these people live in red states and don't believe in evolution

They don't believe in global warming either.
God changed the mind of the majority of non Believers when He turned loose the "Black Plague".
It was amazing how many people like you started praying to our God Almighty once He got their attention and that evolution crap when down the drain very quickly.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
31 Oct 2017  #110
Most of these people live in red states and don't believe in evolution...

You realize that in the US, dems and the left included, most people (over 50%) believe that God guided humans along with evolution or God created humans in their present form within the past 10k years. Only about 19% believe that humans developed strictly from evolution with no part played from God.

The numbers among dems are lower than among republicans, but are nonetheless a significant chunk of dems. This was discussed a few weeks back.
johnny reb 16 | 3,509
31 Oct 2017  #111
This was discussed a few weeks back.

And a few weeks before that and a few weeks before that.
The method of the madness Adrian is that they keep sublimating a phrase by brainwashing the youth here non stop by repeating the same false propaganda over and over and over in one liners in every post to instill a lie.

Soon the youth here take it as being the truth and ho hum ho hum.
This is exactly how the Commie Left News media, Teachers, Instructors in our schools and universities are brainwashing the youth to undermine America to destroy it.

The Commies want as many as they can get on their side to share their hate and misery with.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
31 Oct 2017  #112
the same false propaganda over and over and over in one liners in every post to instill a lie.

Well they learned from the best - Goebbels (and Hitler) who said if you repeat a lie enough times people will believe it. The Commies certainly took note and upped the ante with Stalin's, Kim's and Mao's cults of personality.

Commie Left News media, Teachers, Instructors in our schools and universities are brainwashing the youth to undermine America to destroy it.

Oh you know it.... I deal with this b.s. in even graduate level business classes especially in the so called 'ethics' classes which will condemn the neoclassical liberal free market model of economics and laud immense government control and overstepping as with Dodd Frank (which was written by the banksters and heavily influenced by Citi Group anyway with the blessing of the ex-goldman/chase/etc dominated treasury - curiously the text omits that little fact). I'm attending graduate level business classes to learn more accounting, finance, management, marketing, etc skills but certain classes have instead turned into learning about this sort of pseudo-philanthropy which I am not interested and will not be influenced. There are a small group of charities I give money to - I will never be on the side of those who wish to redistribute wealth from people who worked hard for it to those who feel they deserve free money just because they were born in the wrong part of the world or even neighborhood.

Over 60% of the world makes less than $2,000 a year. The only way that this is going to be balanced out is with the 39%'s money being taken away as you can sure as hell bet the 1% won't be touched. The left has sought to redistribute land, wealth, resources, capital of any sort, trade secrets, etc. ever since Lenin was sent by the Jewish-German bankers to take over Russia from the Tsars. McCarthy said that the government was full of commies in the 50's, certainly Hollywood was infiltrated to the brim, and now its' even worse. They don't even hide their commie socialist agendas anymore.
OP Lyzko 20 | 6,347
31 Oct 2017  #113
The Bolshies ain't "out to destroy" squat, Johnny! You oughta have joined that fella, Jim Forrestal, who jumped out of the window, allegedly 'cuz he thought a Red was under his bedLOL

Come off it, dude! The Cold War's over, Putin & al have bigger fish to fry.....like spying on our elections etc. important stuff like that:-)
cms 9 | 1,287
31 Oct 2017  #114
I can't think of any government in the developed world more focused on redistribution, and more opposed to liberal economics than PiS. 500 plus is to be followed with a pensioners version, effective tax rates are increasing as deductions are cut off, banks are taxed half of their profits, state owned companies favor employee benefits over shareholder value.

All of that has to be paid for by about 9m taxpayers, which is roughly the 39 percent figure you use :)
Ironside 47 | 9,583
31 Oct 2017  #115
can't think of any government in the developed world

It is a testimony of your poor education and low /IQ.
gumishu 11 | 4,956
31 Oct 2017  #116
I can't think of any government in the developed world more focused on redistribution

I don't how you measure it but in absolute figures current redistribution programmes in Poland pale in comparison to most western Europe
G (undercover)
31 Oct 2017  #117
I can't think of any government in the developed world more focused on redistribution, and more opposed to liberal economics than PiS.

Huh ? Sometimes I'm simply speechless.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
31 Oct 2017  #118
@cms

France Sweden Germany Norway etc.... especially the Scandinavian countries
TheOther 5 | 3,759
31 Oct 2017  #119
It all boils down to a major flaw in the economic system: it's based on unlimited growth. Which is also called cancer, and if you deplete your resources it will kill you. That's why we have to cull the herd with wars on a regular basis to reset the system. And how do you drive people into wars? With populism, nationalism and religious extremism.

most people (over 50%) believe that God guided humans along with evolution or God created humans in their present form within the past 10k years.

Why am I not surprised?

They don't believe in global warming either.

Oh, they will see the light sooner or later. A few more hurricanes, a few more major floodings, a few more wildfires ... et voilĂ  ...
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,225
1 Nov 2017  #120
@TheOther

That 50%+ includes democrats and leftists as well...

Populism nationalism etc are mainly tools to make a war more popular with the citizenry. War itself use to be mainly for conquest, then a failure of diplomacy, and now it's again mainly for conquest to spread Americana around the world. There's no point in trying to spread freedom and a liberal democracy to places like Iraq Afghanistan etc. These are totally foreign concepts to these people. For example the whole idea of elections in Afghanistan is considered absurd. Afghanis believe presidential elections should be held if their president was killed or is sick and relinquishing his post. When Americans say oh well help you run free and Democratic elections they respond well why is Karzai dead?

Those wars are basically used to justify the bloated defense budget and keep the military industrial complex lobby and their bought off politicians both on the left and right happy. It has little to do with culling the herd, at least not the present wars the us participates in. The war on terror is the most wonderful scam as it's a war that can never be won... same with the war on drugs..


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