The BEST Guide to POLAND
Unanswered [4]  |  Archives [1] 
 
 
User: Guest

News  100% width1,533

Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?


Miloslaw 6 | 1,140    
12 Jan 2019  #1,351
@BB
You are right..., :-)
Just getting pissed of with the anti Brits,in the same way as you must get pissed off with the anti Germans....
@TheOther
Please respond on the other thread first........about your false accusations.....
TheOther at TheOther......Lol!
mafketis 17 | 6,520    
12 Jan 2019  #1,352
Use them for what? To burn a few billion Euros?

You do realize all the money to "save" Greece went straight to German banks, don't you? Use up one excuse to soak German taxpayers before finding another sucker...
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,672    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,353
You do realize all the money to "save" Greece went straight to German banks, don't you?

Well...

Greek parliament approves first post-bailout budget

Greek lawmakers approved on Tuesday (18 December) the country's first post-bailout budget which projects a high primary surplus next year and sees a pick-up in economic growth.

I always have to smile about all those played up sympathy for the poor Greeks...especially coming from people who would rather cut off their ear than to help a foreign people with their own taxpayers cash! Crocodiles tears!

PS: Merkel just received a very warm welcome in Athens...hugged by Tsipras!

theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/10/angela-merkel-on-victory-tour-visit-to-athens
TheOther 5 | 3,708    
12 Jan 2019  #1,354
all the money to "save" Greece went straight to German banks

It might be ethically questionable that the Germans profited from the loans, but then ... they carry the risk. Greece has defaulted several times on its debt already, and I wouldn't be surprised if they would do it again. There's something structurally wrong in that country.

TheOther at TheOther..

Que?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,672    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,355
There's something structurally wrong in that country.

That something ist their total lack of a functioning bureaucracy...they are just yet building up something resembling a working taxing authority. Greece had been handled to long rather like a banana plantation used by it's owner aka the ruling party than a modern state.

(By the Greeks themselves mind you, not by them mean German-Nazis)
Ironside 47 | 9,338    
13 Jan 2019  #1,356
It might be ethically questionable that the Germans profited from the loans, but then ... they carry the risk.

Well, the risk should belong solely to banks as do profits. Regardless of the Geek dubious political system and whatnot it is responsibility of the banks to asses risk involved. the Political pressure that has been applied in this case to extort profits on behalf of German banks doesn't bode well for the EU future.

That something ist their total lack of a functioning bureaucracy.

yada yada, So what so highly organized, sophisticated and terribly bright German bankers were doing by investing money into some banana plantation as if it were a gold mine? Eh? those banks should go bankrupt and those people should end on the street.

Beside - remember so called 'solidarity fund'. All the EU taxpayers were collecting money to GIVE it to Greece in order for them to pay it to German banks. Those banks got their profits from reckless investments in Greece by extortion and by asking for charity in all other EU countries including Poland.

Another scam. So for F sake so talking nonsense, it makes you look as if you were away with the birds.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,672    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,357
Well, the risk should belong solely to banks as do profits.

Where do you think the money in those banks comes from?

those banks should go bankrupt and those people should end on the street.

And what would that make better?

The banker lose their jobs and millions of saver their savings and rents and pensions (becoming beggars over night) and firms their investments (more job losses)...just great! I have a good guess president Iron would be not much longer president after such a decision...
TheOther 5 | 3,708    
13 Jan 2019  #1,358
it is responsibility of the banks to asses risk involved.

I agree, but on the other hand nobody forced Greece to take the $360 billion bailout from the E.U., the European Central Bank and the IMF. They needed the money and complained afterwards that the loans came with some really uncomfortable conditions attached. Llike reducing their ridiculous welfare spending or increasing taxes.

doesn't bode well for the EU future

I said it in other threads already: I don't believe that the E.U. in its current form will have a long-term future. The economies of the member states are far too different, and it's quite likely that at some point the union will break apart into a rich western part, and poorer southern and eastern parts. Maybe a union with regions that are allowed to develop at a different pace, if that is logistically possible.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,672    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,359
I don't think the break up will be between poorer and richer countries...it will be between those who want a tighter integration aka building a US of Europe aka Europe of Regions and those who don't want to give up more souvereignity.

There will be richer and poorer countries on either side..

Right now it's a "one blanket to fit all" cuddle muddle...and some countries chafe on that. That happened because not much really changed since the foundation of the EU and all was tailored to France and Germany + a few selected others.
Tacitus 2 | 814    
13 Jan 2019  #1,360
You are aware that the Greeks actively falsified data like its' true debt ratio and thus mislead the banks in their risk assesment right?
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
  13 Jan 2019  #1,361
Then they should've done more thorough research and conducted auditing type procedures before giving out massive loans. Twice.

Not that it would've mattered. Merkel and her fellow leftist Germans have a fetish for helping out everyone and throwing money around for except the native Germans.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,672    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,362
Nah....we are inventers, producers and traders...we want to sell our stuff....but guess who is a good customer? Yup, the one with money, the one well off and with an open purse.

So...the reason why this still works is that this is a win-win situation. Germany does not profit from impoverished neighbours, neighbours in war or with instable governments. We need well off neighbours in stable societies. Only then we can sell enough of our stuff to stay equally well off and stable.

That's why I call the money Germany is throwing around to the likes of Greece or Poland INVESTMENT! Investment in future happy customers! :)

But, there is absolutely nothing "leftist" or kumbaya about it...and the german people profit from that immensely too...and it's just great that this is such a win-win scheme..there are no losers this time, and that's why it works also in the long run!
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
  13 Jan 2019  #1,363
and the german people profit from that immensely too

I don't quite see how Germans 'immensely profit' by spending 20 billion a year on people who aren't even EU residents, much less German citizens majority of whom will be unemployed for years, even decades. What Germans would immensely profit from is if that 20 billion euros a year was spent on education. Seeing as how the current education budget is roughly that amount, Germans would have twice as large of an education budget. That money could also be used to feed and house every homeless German in the country.

Yup, the one with money, the one well off and with an open purse.

Well, Germany is currently Poland's largest trade partner. That doesn't give German the right to interfere in our domestic affairs and telling us how to run our country. Nor should Germans be surprised when Poles tell them that certain sensitive industries and sectors of the economy are off limits and majority control must remain in Polish hands.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,672    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,364
That doesn't give German the right to interfere in our domestic affairs and telling us how to run our country.

We don't or there wouldn't be a german-hating party called PiS in government...

Just imagine we were Chinese and start to worship us for our cleverness as you so readily do over in that other thread...

But I digress and take now my promised leave!
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
  13 Jan 2019  #1,365
We don't or there wouldn't be a german-hating party called PiS in government...

German absolutely does. For one, Merkel and her government has repeatedly told Poland that they must show solidarity and 'share the burden' (funny how quickly 'cultural enrichment' turned into 'burden,' but that's another story) lest they be fined by the EU which is de facto lead by Germany. That is clearly interference as she is telling us what our immigration policies should be and what the consequences will be if we don't abide by her and the EU's policy on this matter.

Just imagine we were Chinese and start to worship us for our cleverness as you so readily do over in that other thread...

Indeed. The Chinese would never allow a westerner or any one else to take majority stake in a Chinese media, defense, security, finance, etc. company that could potentially have severe implications. Again, that is because they are smart, practical and do not allow -isms to detract from their long term goal of making money and gaining power. Neither should Poles allow it and many other countries run by people with half a brain. I'd like to see Arabs one day owning the majority of Israel's top defense companies or banks. That'd be the day....
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,672    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,366
Yeah well...Poland said NO and what happened? Are there EU tanks rolling down the streets in Warsaw?

Neither should Poles allow it.

Read that and weep:

Poland opens doors for more Chinese investors

ies.cass.cn/english/chinare/cere/201411/t20141105_2464733.shtml

...and that is only the start. Till now there just has not much been of interest in Poland. But the higher Poland rises economically the more interesting it will become to the Chinese.

Your gov won't stop that!
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
13 Jan 2019  #1,367
Yeah well...Poland said NO and what happened? Are there EU tanks rolling down the streets in Warsaw?

That doesn't change the fact that you stated Germany doesn't interfere in Polish politics. Germany has a long history of meddling in politics in everywhere from Russia (the October revolution was basically financed by German Jews and the German government) to more recently Turkey, Poland, etc.

And what did happen is that the EU/Merkel threatened to fine Poland 2 billion euro. It petered out because so many other countries turned sharply to the right and begun to follow Poland and Hungary's lead seeing all the problems that came with the turd world deluge. Also, Polish government wisely said that no fine and nothing could be worse than give up our sovereign rights and take in people who could potentially ruin Poland's perfect 0 Islamic terror attack record. Otherwise, they'd still be demanding to make the decisions of Poland's immigration policy and fine us if we refused. I guarantee that the next EP elections will have even more nationalists winning seats. Europeans are sick and tired of the messes caused by the European leftists - all the Champaign socialists and martini Marxists make me sick!

Read that and weep:

I did. But I don't know why I should weep. Quite frankly, I'm happy that my motherland is working out multi billion dollar deals and diversifying partnerships. Hell I might even apply to work for one of these Chinese companies in a consulting. sales management or project management role if the pay is good once I make the move out there.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,672    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,368
Well...that means you are totally okay with colonization as long as it is by the Chinese!

Maybe then the fact will console you that for the Chinese there is no difference between a Dirk and an Ali or Mohammed either. Your laments about muslims overtaking the West are totally useless then. They don't give a ***!

That doesn't change the fact that you stated Germany doesn't interfere in Polish politics.

No they don't! And asking for solidarity should actually not necessary in a union...if you call that "interfering" then I can't help you.

Poland has subscribed to alot of agreements in the accession process to become a member of the EU...maybe you want to call all that "interference" too...
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
13 Jan 2019  #1,369
Well...that means you are totally okay with colonization as long as it is by the Chinese!

I don't care if green aliens from Mars invest in Poland and sign billion dollar deals together. Also, colonizing the business world and flooding the entire continent with turd worlders the majority of whom have no skills, don't want to work and are costing European tax payers tens of billions of euros every year - and on top of it they commit thousands upon thousands of rapes, terror attacks, stabbings and all sorts of problems. So yes, I'd much rather have Chinese, Japanese, or any other country have more influence in the business realm and thus generating more revenue and creating more wealth locally and worldwide than have millions of thirld world savages running amuck raping women pillaging the country and costing us tens of billions without getting anything in return form them.

The Chinese colonization is a win-win for Poland and China. Bringing in millions of third worlders who don't want to work and cause tons of violent crimes is a HUGE lose for us - big win for them since they get more in benefits thanks to Europeans than they could ever dream of making back in their cat turd filled sandbox countries
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,672    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,370
The Chinese colonization is a win-win for Poland and China.

...

*wanders off*

No wait...just a question:

Some time in the future all your main industries are firmly in Chinese hands. All flourishing but they need laborers for their factories. Since Poles don't want to work to such low salaries anymore they start to ship in masses of low paid workers from afar....Africans for example...lots and lots of them.

What are you gonna do?
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,304    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,371
The Chinese colonization is a win-win for Poland and China.

Do you ever consider that the Poles may not want the Chinese in Poland even if this means less money? And that to the ordinary people, how much they have or earn is not always priority one?

"What are you gonna do?" Good question.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,672    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,372
PS: Oh, and Dirk...a " I don't wanna" by the polish gov won't work anymore...you are now ruled by the Chinese, they now cradle your eggs in their meaty paw, not the soft pussies from the EU with their dumb treaties.
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
13 Jan 2019  #1,373
Everyone knows Poles are far harder working than Africans so it is unlikely they'd be replaced. Also, there's a ton of Ukrainians who already dominate the lower end job market. And none of what you describe is going to happen. A few deals and a desire for more partnerships, deals, etc doesn't mean that suddenly Poland is going to become a Chinese vassal. The Chinese will never have control of the majority of the Polish economy, at least not in our lifetimes. For one, Poles decide who to give residency/citizenship to and African migrants that may have EU residency don't come to Poland because the benefits are too low and they'd actually have to work hard to even afford a Spartan existence. The few Africans that do come to Poland are west-African tourists and the few odd student or corporate worker.

Do you ever consider that the Poles may not want the Chinese in Poland even if this means less money?

Well, most Poles tend to welcome more business, more FDI in their country. Also, there is a small but growing community of Chinese and Koreans in Poland. The Vietnamese have been there for decades. It's quite strange running into an E. Asian that speaks perfect Polish. Generally, Poles don't mind them - in fact, I'm willing to bet that the Poles would prefer having more Chinese, Koreans, etc. than Middle Easterners and Africans - I can guarantee you that.
mafketis 17 | 6,520    
13 Jan 2019  #1,374
Since Poles don't want to work to such low salaries anymore they start to ship in masses of low paid workers from afar....Africans for example..

Africans do not a have good track record of getting and keeping jobs in Europe.... what percentage of Africans (vs North African Arabs, Turks, Kurds etc) in Germany are gainfully (and honestly) employed?

And what's what this neoliberal treatment of large groups of humanity like interchangeable widgets that are supposed to be moved around to solve momentary problems... That's just insane.
Ironside 47 | 9,338    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,375
The Chinese colonization is a win-win for Poland and China.

what? what are you every babbling about? Go back to selling the Bible over the phone or whatnot rather than spew so utter BS.

Poland doesn't need colonization of any kind and China's investments in Poland should be closely monitored.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,304    
13 Jan 2019  #1,376
Also, there is a small but growing community of Chinese and Koreans in Poland.

The supply of the Chinese is infinity. How many should Poland allow into Poland? Infinity or is there a limit? What is that limit? How do you enforce that limit? Or will you rely on the anger of the Poles who will not like Poland morphing into China the way the US and California are becoming Mexico and other such s***holes?

Easy questions so go for it.

that are supposed to be moved around to solve momentary problems... That's just insane.

It's worse than that. It's suicidal because their momentary solutions, the influx of people the locals would NEVER want, is forever. They multiply, never leave, and you can't remove them legally when the monetary problem is solved by automation.
OP Spike31 2 | 699    
  13 Jan 2019  #1,377
not much really changed since the foundation of the EU and all was tailored to France and Germany + a few selected others.

You're finally honest about the foundations of the EU and to whom it benefits the most.

those who want a tighter integration aka building a US of Europe aka Europe of Regions

This will never happen since there's too much cultural disparity in Europe.
Especially since the "EU core" is based on neo-marxist values which are not being accepted by the more conservative countries with stronger national and cultural identities.

The EU Core's mouth is full of slogans about "diversity" yet what they really want to create is a Huxleyan EU Gulag.
medium.com/@AspieSavant/huxleyan-versus-orwellian-totalitarianism-987f2f1a03fb
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
  13 Jan 2019  #1,378
Like it or not, more FDI from China into Poland is an inevitability especially with one belt one road. In fact, the Polish government and many people in the business communities welcome it. For one I can tell you it's way easier to get funding for a startup with Chinese capital. It's no different in Hungary and the other v4 nations. Atleast unlike western Europe and the Muslims the Chinese have no desire to push a pro homo multi kulti political agenda or change the demographics drastically. They just want to make money.

@Rich Mazur
FDI and immigration are two entirely different independent things
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,304    
13 Jan 2019  #1,379
In fact, the Polish government and many people in the business communities welcome it.

...the way an addict welcomes another snort?
You still didn't address the question how much is too much, FDI or any other form of intrusion. Your Darwinistic approach would suggest that there should not be any limits. If my conclusion is correct, what percentage of Polish economy in the Chinese hands would you tolerate: 10%, 30%, 70%? This question calls for a number, so no essays, please.
Dirk diggler 8 | 4,064    :-(
  13 Jan 2019  #1,380
I don't know I am only one of tens of millions of Polish citizens and one of many players in the Polish market. Those will be the judges of what is too much. My opinion though is that too much would be when the cons outweigh the pros, just as in any business or even social transaction.

I can't say what that number is as it cannot be applied. Doing so would be a foolish oversimplification. 90% chinese ownership in the local toilet paper industry wouldn't be a big deal but 90% ownership in banking or media would. Right now, Poles tend to welcome the Asian FDI and want to increase it to diversify their partnerships and end their overreliance on Germany. Also, the V4 is looking eastward since they understand that's where the new growth is as western markets stagnate and even decline. Another reason is the Chinese don't care about political considerations or pushing an agenda,they're there to make.money not tell Poles to start giving gays more rights or requiring token females on the board or forcing green initiatives or diversity quotas like w Europe does.


Home / News / Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?
Bold Italic [quote]

 
To post as Guest, enter a temporary and unique username or login and post as a member.