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Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?


jon357 63 | 14,185
29 Jan 2019 #1,471
the City to either Paris or Frankfurt, the U.K. is pretty much toast for the next decade or so.

Spot on. The list of big financial players who've moved all or part of their operations out of the City already is shocking.

Of course the Tory billionaires and their trickledown rich multi-millionaires can hedge against it. The thousands who lose their jobs, managers, cleaners, specilists, canteen ladies, shopkeepers they spend at and everything else as a result of stupidity, credulousness and an onslaught of paid-for propaganda from the Tory rich don't have money in Hedge Funds.
Crow 137 | 7,745
29 Jan 2019 #1,472
Yeah merkel really showed how pro polish and anti russian she was

Polish leadership is corrupted and don`t wish well to Poland and care only for itself and their own lives.

If I`m Duda, I would scre* Germany in a single move. I would annul Poland`s Kosovo recognition, where Poland acted by German plan (and now Germany works with Russia and Poland is left aside). Then, I would demand urgent meeting with Serbian president that Poland have to be included in tripartite contract between Russia and Serbia, by which third side can buy any Russian energy from Serbia on the same conditions as Serbia, just by paying possible bigger transit costs. In any case, I would annul Kosovo recognition, involve Serbia in the game and see what happens. By old pattern of connected interests among Slavs, entirely new moments would be uploaded in the game. Poland just have to play the card, now when Poland is pushed hard.

From its side Serbia pressing Russia that any Russian-German deal harming Serbia.

Let us see how much are Russians sincere
jon357 63 | 14,185
29 Jan 2019 #1,473
Polish leadership is corrupted

It certainly seems so this morning.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
29 Jan 2019 #1,474
PO government has been far more effective in building an anti-russian alliance that PiS ever was

I can see....

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bolek_tusk 3 | 243
29 Jan 2019 #1,475
All PiS has achieved is to once again isolate Poland and ensure that any future European cooperation will be much more difficult to achieve.

Apart from establishing excellent relations with the US, strengthening the Visegrad group, being one of the leading players in the Three Seas Initiative which covers 12 Eastern European countries and forming a Right Wing political alliance with Italy, which I'd expect numerous other political groupings from other countries to join.

Yes, very isolated!
delphiandomine 83 | 17,734
29 Jan 2019 #1,476
I love how you're repeating TVP propaganda word for word.

TSI - insignificant. It's a talking shop, nothing more.
Visegrad - not a strong group at all. The Czechs and Slovaks don't want anything to do with the Polish/Hungarian anti-Germany agenda. It's mostly a talking shop with a few points of agreement, none of which are significant.

"Right wing political alliance with Italy" - you mean, forming an alliance with a party leader who openly praises Putin and is considered to be one of the most pro-Putin politicians in Europe? That's something to boast about?

You haven't got a clue what's actually happening. Poland is isolated, because these talking shops have produced nothing of note. Boasting about an alliance with a pro-Putin party is about as absurd as it gets.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
29 Jan 2019 #1,477
a few points of agreement, none of which are significant.

Closing the 'refugee' expressway through central Europe was very significant!
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,513
29 Jan 2019 #1,478
"Right wing political alliance with Italy" - you mean, forming an alliance with a party leader who openly praises Putin

Let me see if I got it right.
A likes B. B likes C. C likes D. D happens to be a child molester. Therefore, I should not go to lunch with A. Is this the idea here?

Just a reminder: the US loves communist China.
Not going off-the-rails. Just saying that we tend to do strange things for a buck...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,734
29 Jan 2019 #1,479
Rather A loves and worships B. B has been responsible for wrecking C and imposing a murderous ideology on it. C would be wise to consider whether or not he can actually trust A.
OP Spike31 2 | 884
29 Jan 2019 #1,480
TSI - insignificant

Three Sea Initiative is very significant and the serious players knows that.

That's why it was attended by Trump in 2017 and also by German foreign minister [accompanied by Junker] in 2018

And that's also why China is so interested in developing 16+1 format.

PS: Before you provide us with one of your predictable answers go on and check what 16+1 format is first. It wouldn't be fair to make you look like a fool again without teaching you something first :-)
delphiandomine 83 | 17,734
29 Jan 2019 #1,481
Three Sea Initiative is very significant and the serious players knows that.

It's not significant at all. It's a regional talking shop, and Trump turning up was nothing more than the typical US way of encouraging anything that might damage things that they perceive as a threat. As for the Germans showing up, well, that pretty much turns TSI into yet another CEFTA-style situation.

Incidentally, the aim of TSI is so that they can discuss issues relevant to the CEE region. It's not intended to replace the EU, no matter how much PiS would like to think otherwise. Most participants see it as a valuable tool that will bring about further European integration, and they've decisively rejected any attempt by Poland to use it as a means of dominating regional politics.

And that's also why China is so interested in developing 16+1 format.

China? I thought you were about Polish interests, not about selling out to China. You only have to look at how China has done business elsewhere to see that Chinese investment always comes at a high price. You might also want to consider how the Chinese threatened Poland recently...
jon357 63 | 14,185
30 Jan 2019 #1,482
It's not significant at all. It's a regional talking shop, and Trump turning up w

A talking shop at best. Just a veneer. trump's involvement was dog-whistle stuff. It changed no point of view, had no effect.
OP Spike31 2 | 884
30 Jan 2019 #1,483
I thought you were about Polish interests, not about selling out to China

Every single country in the world trades with China.

That doesn't mean that everyone supports Chinese politics to the letter or "selling out" to China :-)

International trade is the way of making Poland more wealthy. And wealth offers more economical and political influence and military power. And it's also politically convenient to have some alternative to trade with the EU. This offers more economical independence and better negotiating position at the EU table.

Only a totalitarian mind can't differentiate between being a trade partner and being a political ally. The state of mind of so called liberal left is appealing.

Start thinking outside of the [very narrow] box.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,734
30 Jan 2019 #1,484
Only a nationalist would believe in the fairy tale that China is just willing to build all this nice infrastructure to Poland in exchange for nothing but increased trade.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,513
30 Jan 2019 #1,485
Only a nationalist would believe in the fairy tale that China

I think you have it in reverse...Only a fanatical globalist would believe that.
Otherwise, your post is fine. Just look at how China "helps" in Africa.
Crow 137 | 7,745
30 Jan 2019 #1,486
Only a nationalist would believe in the fairy tale that China is just willing to build all this nice infrastructure to Poland in exchange for nothing

Chinese civilization is old one, same as Slavic (ie Sarmatian). Mandarins would be systematic, I have no doubt about it. They understood Anglos and then also western Europe in general, as first class threat to China ever. So, world would be re-organized as it suits to mandarins, too. Or Anglos and western Europe would perish.

Xi already said how is /citation/ `today`s Britain insignificant country`.

Poles have nothing with this. Poles should profit in business with Chinese, without reluctance. Poles are Slavs (ie Sarmatians). Its completely different historical relationship between China and Slavs (ie Sarmats).
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,430
30 Jan 2019 #1,487
Thats exactly what ive been saying. If were going to be vassals of any superpower i want it to be china. The us has lost its clout, western europe has been thoroughly cucked and invaded by third worlders, russia is poor asf... but china they just want to do business. They dont care about politics or pushing some globo homo run by shlomo multikulti crap. Nope its all about the money. Thats why today the chinese are colonizing the world and theyre not doing without tanks and soldiers theyre doing it with business deals. Its like jews with slanted eyes. No wonder books about 'jewish secrets to business success' are the top selling books in china
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
31 Jan 2019 #1,488
Tell you what, why don't you get in your car, drive at 250km/h and attempt to navigate through fog.

How do you think a birch tree would bear up against a tank hitting it at 250km/h (irrespective of fog)...

A Tupolev Tu-154 weighs about as much as a tank....
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,513
31 Jan 2019 #1,489
No wonder books about 'jewish secrets to business success' are the top selling books in china

Let me guess...
The books written by the western morons about the evil of global warming are not selling there very well.
Maybe because in China they are in Comedy sections.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,430
31 Jan 2019 #1,490
The books written by the western morons about the evil of global warming are not selling there very well.

Not really. IDK if you have or watch Netflix but actually a huge chunk of the movies under the action section are Chinese. Aside from being in ching-chang-chung and thus subtitled, they're actually pretty damn good. I dare say a lot better than most of the western action movies which are way too fanciful or they push some SJW agenda. Literally like half the western movies on netflix and in the theaters push some kind of leftist agenda. I started watching this show about knights or vikings or something, and by the second episode they were already pushing some 'homos are normal people too' message and then of course turned it off. No wonder Russia wants Netflix banned - it sure as **** is consistent with their no gay propaganda law. One of the biggest flops was the new Ghostbusters movie, which i loved as a kid. Well, the new one was more about feminazis and how 'women can fight ghosts too!' Don't forget about Black Panther rofl - the best thing that came out of that movie was hillarious memes - we wuz kaaaangs an shieeet!!!!
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,513
31 Jan 2019 #1,491
IDK if you have or watch Netflix

Sure do and have the same problem. No matter what, there is always a good Muslim and a bad white American. Even black gangs have some white dude at the top. I give this s*** just one chance and it's over when they push it this crap on me. When they need a truly evil character, it's a Serb, never an Albanian because those are Muslims.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
31 Jan 2019 #1,492
The us has lost its clout,

You must be joking!

Trump has stoked up the US economy like a crazed man on a mission - the mission being MAGA.

US manufacturing is on the increase. With a growing economy it provides great opportunities for other countries to do deals with the US.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,430
31 Jan 2019 #1,493
I'm well aware - I made more money in the market past 1-2 years than 8 under Obama. Nonetheless, I know it's a relatively short lived upside blip in an otherwise downward spiral. Speaking of US manufacturing, my HOG short is still going strong - 23% in 4 months, although today was a bit disappointing otherwise I'd be closer to 28%. The US has it's pro's don't get me wrong. But this past quarter has seen crazy volatility (man thank God I don't own Tesla anymore) and US manufacturing is slowing down from the earlier hype - and that's really all it was... the big noses at the Fed are ******* things up for Trump's policies, banks don't want to give loans and if they do they're high interest with massive collateral, the Chinese keep ripping us off, the tree huggers won't allow us to be oil independent, the mud people keep coming in - even Maine now has a big problem funding the newly arrived Sosmellian 'refugees' thanks the new liberal governor... so much bullshit I could write about it for weeks...

The problem with America is that people are waaaay too focused on short term gains. They have no patience for the long game. That's why the Chinese are whooping us. It comes down to patience and slyness, that's really it... And not inserting too much political or emotional stock in business helps too. Americans and Europeans are too worried about that ****. I watched a German show a while back on how the country is basically banning diesels because they want to be all green and healthy and ****, even though there is zero evidence to show no2 causes diseases. The Germans made indestructible diesels for basically over a century and they're just going to throw it by the wayside and implement some EV tech which they're not very good at - electronics have never been the Germans strong suite that's the Asians game. But anyway, it's just B.S. like that where European man shoots himself in the foot...

If there's one thing you can bet on safely, bet on defense stocks. USA is always going to shill for Israel and send its young to die for them especially under Trump (BA 6% just today, NOC 15% this month)
delphiandomine 83 | 17,734
31 Jan 2019 #1,494
A Tupolev Tu-154 weighs about as much as a tank....

Aircraft wings however, aren't built like a tank. They're fragile things and easily damaged, especially when they smash into things at 250km/h.

PiS have had over 3 years in power and failed to present a single credible piece of evidence. Why? It would be enough to ask independent experts to go to Russia, make a copy of the black boxes and let them analyse it. If there was something wrong, an experienced inspector would find it immediately.

Ask yourself something: if it seriously was an assassination, wouldn't PiS throw absolutely everything they could at the investigation? Wouldn't they get the best experts in to show that something was wrong? Of course, experts won't put their reputations on the line for political lies, which is why they filled an accident sub-commission with unqualified people.
mafketis 21 | 7,411
31 Jan 2019 #1,495
This is an old organizational trick, many organizations keep a few bumblers around instead of firing them because they can used to head projects that the PTB want to fail.

"We tried, we put Bob Slobb, one of our best men* on it, but there was just no way to make it work... too bad"

"one of our best men" is often code for:he's an incompetent boob but we don't want him to know what we think of him"

The Smolensk commission was organized to fail (while keeping some low information voters riled up). But it failed to even keep the rabble in a sufficient state of arousal and that's when JK pulled the plug.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,734
31 Jan 2019 #1,496
Couldn't agree more. The fact that it was a sub-commission and so not subject to oversight by the Sejm was also an interesting trick to keep enquiring minds away.

Of course, our expert here knows that it was an assassination because the TV told him so.
bolek_tusk 3 | 243
31 Jan 2019 #1,497
Aircraft wings however, aren't built like a tank. They're fragile things and easily damaged, especially when they smash into things at 250km/h.

So a single tree can smash a large aircraft into a million pieces scattered over a square kilometre....? What was the altitude of the plane when it hit this imaginary tree? 10m?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,734
31 Jan 2019 #1,498
So a single tree can smash a large aircraft into a million pieces scattered over a square kilometre....?

No, but hitting the ground at an inverted angle at 250km/h tends to cause considerable damage to planes. Incidentally, it wasn't all broken into a million pieces, as can be seen from pictures taken at the crash site.

What was the altitude of the plane when it hit this imaginary tree? 10m?

If you'd actually read the crash report, you'd know that the plane was trying to climb out of a ravine at the time of hitting the tree. It was barely above ground, and it took a matter of seconds for it to crash. One of the key causes of the crash was that the crew were unprepared for the specifics of the runway, especially the ravine before the touchdown zone.

Now, look at this crash, which also featured a TU-154M crashing on approach. aviation-accidents.net/vnukovo-airlines-tupolev-tu-154m-ra-85621-flight-vko2801/ - look, what a surprise! The plane is destroyed as a result of CFIT, just as what happened in Smolensk!

I'm amused that you know so much about the crash, yet you're too spineless to actually make a report to the public prosecutors about the knowledge that you have.

By the way, do tell us in which fantasy land a plane can hit something like this just a couple of metres above the ground - pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brzoza_smole%C5%84ska#/media/File:Tree_of_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash_(MAK_report).jpg - and survive? A tree trunk of 30-40cm diameter is going to do damage, especially at a speed of 250km/h.
mafketis 21 | 7,411
31 Jan 2019 #1,499
So a single tree can smash a large aircraft into a million pieces scattered over a square kilometre.

Where were you when the commission was up and running? Why did they overlook your valuable testimony?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,734
31 Jan 2019 #1,500
Where were you

That's my question. Where was he? He knows that there was a coverup/assassination, so why hasn't he provided his valuable information to the prosecutors investigating the crash?

Incidentally, impact with the tree was actually at 269km/h.

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