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Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?


Lyzko 19 | 5,751    
11 Jan 2019  #1,321
@Bolek, Tusk isn't a German, he's a Kaszub who was born in Poland but is at least partially, of German, maybe even Silesian, heritage.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,197    
11 Jan 2019  #1,323
How did you work that out?
bolek_tusk 3 | 238    
11 Jan 2019  #1,324
Tusk isn't a German,

He's a German at heart and does more to promote the Interests of Germany than Poland, which isn't surprising since Merkel sponsored his KLD party when it was just starting out. Quite an investment by pani Merkel!
bolek_tusk 3 | 238    
11 Jan 2019  #1,325
How did you work that out?

Notice any similarities?




Ziemowit 12 | 3,197    
  11 Jan 2019  #1,326
Not really. Hohenzollern have the black eagle as their coat of arms, while the Kashubian one is the black griffin, griffin taken after the symbol of the originally Slavic "House of Griffins" dynasty which ruled Western Pomerania for ages.

The origins of the Griffins are not clear. Most theories derive them from either local Slavic nobility or a cadet branch of the Polish house of Piasts. [Wikipedia]

This is what the Kashubians themselves say about their coat of arms:

- To nasz znak - ten czôrny juńc;
Jesz Kaszëbów nie je kùńc!
Òn to straszny juńc i lew,
Òn z Mòrlawë dobéł krew!
Hej, të Grifie w blónë lec,
Chcemë cebie w sercach miec!


And even if I cannot grasp the sense of the second verse and I don't know the word Mòrlawë, the rest of the text is very clear to a Polish speaker. And the language does not remind German at all. So why Kashubians are German, as your honorable friend said?

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Hey, after giving it a second thought, I think I can understand the whole text except for that strange word "Mòrlawë". Here it is (and I did not use Google Translate!):

To nasz znak - ten czarny junak [?]
Jeszcze Kaszubów nie jest koniec;
On to straszny junak i lew,

On z .............. dobył krew!
Hej, ty Gryfie w błonia leć,
Chcemy ciebie w sercach mieć!

Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
  11 Jan 2019  #1,327
when Merkel picked the German Prime Minister of Poland to head the EU,

Merkel, huh?

I guess that makes a better story than the truth...that everybody else voted for Tusk too. 27:1 !!!!

...Despite its anger, however, Poland was left isolated as other countries including traditional central European allies lined up to back Tusk, a popular choice to guide the EU through difficult Brexit talks and tense debates on migration.

Remember Hungary? Steadfast friend and ally? They too voted for Tusk....

....Poland had hoped Hungary's Viktor Orbán would join them in opposing Tusk, but the Hungarian prime minister declined to desert an ally in the centre-right European People's party group.

But hey..."Merkel picked Tusk" sounds not as bad as that what really happened...how Poland was left alone pouting in it's corner.

PS: Oh I forgot...they ALL had probably only the best interests of Germany in their minds as they voted for Tusk...all 27 of them!

Oh man...we really did it this time...all of Europe loves us and wants to do us favours...Wow!!!
Lyzko 19 | 5,751    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,328
All of Europe NEEDS you, B.B., and that's a heck of a difference, rather than "love", more emnity (Neid, Eifersucht) :-)
mafketis 17 | 6,504    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,329
Macron and Merkel, sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g, first comes love, then comes marriage, then comes an unnecessary formal alliance against the rest of the EU....

zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-11/france-germany-merge-economic-and-defense-policies-create-cross-border

A (not at all crackpot and pro EU) political analyst on Polish tv said this will just strengthen populist movements and create resentment...
Lyzko 19 | 5,751    
12 Jan 2019  #1,330
Marry in haste, repent at leisure!
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,331
Macron and Merkel, sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g, first comes love, then comes marriage

There is nothing informal about it. The french-german marriage of convenience was the foundation of the EU, build on the still smoking graves of WWII. It's the core. All others which came later added themselves to that household. Fully knowing that it was mainly a french-german thing.

The last decade that "marriage" was dysfunctional because of France's economical weakness and Germany got more in the spotlight....but that wasn't the original thought. It's good that with Macron France get's itself back.

That is rather a "back to normal", than a new development.

zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-11/france-germany-merge-economic-and-defense-policies-create-cross-border

Honestly maf...if the only thing to quieten populists and resentment is to split us and make us weak then frankly I don't care!
mafketis 17 | 6,504    
12 Jan 2019  #1,332
Fully knowing that it was mainly a french-german thing.

Good then, you won't mind when everybody else leaves.....
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,333
Who will leave?

Show me one poll where a majority is for leaving? Not even the Greeks want to leave....
(To play with the thought is one thing...to make the messy exit in real life is another altogether...I think we have the Brexit to thank for the good polls recently:)

That french-german EU is still much to successful to not be part of it! ;)
mafketis 17 | 6,504    
12 Jan 2019  #1,334
how many countries want to be Franco-German colonies?

Who will leave?

The first that really doesn't want to be a colony anymore. It'll take time, but this will not help the EU.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,335
how many countries want to be Franco-German colonies?

Thing is you don't vote for making yourself a colony! You ask for membership and start (if accepted) a long accession protocol....a process which takes years, sometimes a decade...sometimes it never ends (Turkey) ....alot of time to rethink and change your mind.

An interesting way to become a colony! :)

The first that really doesn't want to be a colony anymore.

The Brits ignored already Churchill who advised and cheered on a European Union...the Brits squandered their choice with staying out as they have been invited to become a founder....they came to late...and now they left....

They would rather keep to their own historical colonies, the Commonwealth, or so I've heard! :)
To bad these old colonies don't want to adhere to London anymore as they were used too....
TheOther 5 | 3,693    
12 Jan 2019  #1,336
At some point in time, the net payers of the EU will probably have to decide if they want to continue to financially support members like Greece, Hungary or Poland. It's an expensive hobby, and the politicians of these member states were never really behind the European idea anyway. They are, in Frank Zappa's words, "only in it for the money".
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
12 Jan 2019  #1,337
It's an expensive hobby,

I call it investment...
TheOther 5 | 3,693    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,338
There will be no return on investment when it comes to Greece though.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
12 Jan 2019  #1,339
Well...they could get shucked out of the EURO zone but not out of the EU I think...
Miloslaw 6 | 1,113    
12 Jan 2019  #1,340
@Bratwurst Boy "The Brits ignored already Churchill who advised and cheered on a European Union."

You misrepresent our great leader,he did indeed cheer on a European Union,but for the continent.
Not for Britain.
He never wanted us to be part of it.
He wanted it so that Germany and France could sort themselves out.
And as usual,he was right.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,341
For the continent for sure. But there never have been a cheering on from Britain, and that would have been also abit curious as it was century-old proven tactic by London to ally itself with the current weaker one in any spat to make sure neither France nor Germany could get to strong, to in any way endanger british supremacy (perfidious Albion).

So Churchill cheering on a union between France and Germany must have sound awful to generations of british foreign diplomats as this meant the end to this successful game...I always wondered about that one.

Maybe the impression of the latest great war was still to much...as it was in Berlin and Paris. And mybe he couldn't imagine that Great Britain would lose it's Empire in the coming years, who knows...
Miloslaw 6 | 1,113    
12 Jan 2019  #1,342
Not at all.
The British just thought that a European Union,especially between France and Germany would stop these two ridiculous nations continually going to war with each other!

Churchill did not want to play any part in it,except in making it happen.....
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,343
would stop these two ridiculous nations continually going to war with each other!

Nah...I don't think it's all about peace...it never was...it was always about power and who rules the continent...thats what the wars had been about for nearly a millennia....and that game had always had three main player... Germany, France AND Britain (and their assorted alliances)! :)

That's why it was smart of Britain to join the EU, even late...they got their place at the main table (even with grumbling Frenchies).

But to leave now will forever stay in the coming history books as the biggest totally unnecessary squander of power EVER!

(Especially in the light of the new polls where now a majority of Brits wants to Remain)
TheOther 5 | 3,693    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,344
they got their place at the main table

Constantly demanding special treatment.

...would stop these two ridiculous nations continually going to war with each other!

Ridiculous nations? The Brits were at war with almost every country on the planet at some point in time, and they have a long tradition of meddling in other countries' affairs, which continues to this very day. Let's be honest: Britain was never really compatible with Europe, simply because her politicians are still stuck in the the 1930s mentally, dreaming of the golden days of the old Empire.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
12 Jan 2019  #1,345
Constantly demanding special treatment.

And they got it...
mafketis 17 | 6,504    
12 Jan 2019  #1,346
.they could get shucked out of the EURO zone

Use them up and throw them away....
Miloslaw 6 | 1,113    
12 Jan 2019  #1,347
@TheOther "The Brits were at war with almost every country on the planet at some point in time,"
Yeah,because we could and we were top dog back then.
You may never have been born if it wasn't for The Brits.....LOL!!
America might have been French or Spanish if it wasn't for The Brits.
Imagine that????
Britain was never compatible with Europe because we love our freedom too much.....
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,348
Use them up and throw them away....

And exactly that didn't happen...to the contrary the rest of the EURO zone (and of course Germany in big parts) helped them out instead...

I think the Greek know very well that in a Greece outside and all alone by itself there would still be donkeys on the streets!
TheOther 5 | 3,693    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,349
Use them up and throw them away...

Use them for what? To burn a few billion Euros?

Britain was never compatible with Europe because we love our freedom too much.

The Poms loved their British Empire too much.

You may never have been born if it wasn't for The Brits

Well, you provided the location and made room by killing off the locals, that is true.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,649    
  12 Jan 2019  #1,350
Yeah,because we could and we were top dog back then.

Curious...the same sentence coming from a German and he would be called "warmongering, inherently agressive, always wanting domination" and of course "arrogant"! :)


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