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SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY


Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #31
Sun and Moon has a point here. The impact of the document is not felt so much. Even a highly educated legal advisor here wasn't so keyed up on the content of it.

Actions speak louder than words, so true! Also, I have posted the same post 3 times asking for what actions JK and BK will take and NOBODY even attempted it. The Poles seem to be voting for mere slogans without really understanding the processes and content. For those that seem to argue so vigorously, that confuses me. They are buying into window dressing.

Ach tam, Poles sit as far apart from one another as they can. The distance is just slightly increased with coloured folk ;) ;)
Torq 32 | 2,999
28 Jun 2010 #32
May I ask where are you originally from, Sun and Moon? You are very judgemental towards
Polish society, but you never told us where you are from. That would explain A LOT
(providing you tell the truth.) So?
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
28 Jun 2010 #33
so where is modernity of constitution and ministry of education. probably just on papers and in attractive looking shelves. isnt it

Ok, earlier you made some observations about Polish religion, are you aware the Poland had the first law of religious toleration in Europe? This allowed different nationalities to flee to Poland during the 30 years war. The things that I am mentioning are fundamental to western civilization, or would you disagree?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #34
It's easy to enact a law of religious toleration when you have only really had one in your country ;) ;) ;)
Mr Grunwald 19 | 1,542
28 Jun 2010 #35
Yeah, but later on it wasn't all just one. And I can't remember it getting removed :)

I just really have problems of remembering pogroms or much itch hunt before the partitions really. (Except when that Sas guy started it filthy Saxon!)
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
28 Jun 2010 #36
It's easy to enact a law of religious toleration when you have only really had one in your country ;) ;) ;)

Ah Seanus, i would hate to poke holes in your historical knowledge, but at one stage Poland an overwhelmingly catholic country, had a protestant majority of parliamentarians, at a time when Catholics were not even allowed to sit in the British parliament. As Jan Kazimiersz (king) said when urged to be more draconian by one of his advisers, I am not the king of People's consciousness
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #37
I hate to point out sth very obvious but they are both Christians, not Islamists or Hindis etc etc ;) ;) ;) or isn't Christianity a religion? ;) ;)

Please don't tell me that they understood the theological differences as I know that the great majority don't have a clue on this one.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
28 Jun 2010 #38
The mistake that people on this forum repeatedly make

Some girls wander by mistake into the mess that scalpels make
Are you the theacher of the heart? - we teach all hearts to break.

Good old Leonard knew best :)

>^..^<

M-G (haec hactenus)
David_18 68 | 982
28 Jun 2010 #39
It's easy to enact a law of religious toleration when you have only really had one in your country ;) ;) ;)

My friend.

I see that polish history ain't your strong side.
I do not judge you, but i would like to educate you on this matter.

1264, The Statute of Kalisz guaranteed safety, personal liberties, freedom of religion, trade, and travel to Jews in Poland.

/wiki/Statute_of_Kalisz

Following are abridged excerpts from the forty-six chapters of the Statute of Kalisz:
1. ... If any Christian should accuse any of the Jews in any matter whatsoever, even a criminal matter, he shall not be admitted to testimony except with two good Christians and also with two good Jews...

See we love Jews!!!

1573, January 28 - Warsaw Confederation granting religious toleration.
/wiki/Warsaw_Confederation

Religious tolerance in Poland had had a long tradition (e.g. Statute of Kalisz) and had been de facto policy in the reign of the recently deceased King Zygmunt II. However, the articles signed by the Confederation gave official sanction to earlier custom. In that sense, they may be considered either the beginning or the peak of Polish tolerance.

Religious beliefs of the szlachta

Prior to the Reformation, the Polish nobility were mostly either Roman Catholic or Orthodox with a small group of Muslims. Many families, however, soon adopted the Reformed faiths. After the Counter-Reformation, when the Roman Catholic Church regained power in Poland, the nobility became almost exclusively Catholic, despite the fact that Roman Catholicism was not the majority religion in Commonwealth (the Catholic and Orthodox churches each accounted for some 40% of all citizens population, with the remaining 20% being Jews or members of Protestant denominations). In the 18th century, many followers of Jacob Frank joined the ranks of Jewish-descended Polish gentry.

I hope you did learn something Seanus :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #40
I'll state it again, I was discussing broader tolerance. Because a few MP's or select individuals sign a motion, doesn't mean that the people follow it or even know about it.

Members of Polish-Lithuanian society, how many??

1264, LOL. This is 2010.

Poland has been Catholic for a very long time so religious tolerance laws just rest on paper if you don't have a fitting context in which to apply them.
David_18 68 | 982
28 Jun 2010 #41
I'll state it again, I was discussing broader tolerance. Because a few MP's or select individuals sign a motion, doesn't mean that the people follow it or even know about it.

Well after the bloody commuists destroyed, brainwashed and opressed Poland for over 50 years our "broader tolerance" kinda turned into a anti semitic and fanatic catHOLIC nation.

But please try to understand that this was not the way it was before the communists came to Poland.

Members of Polish-Lithuanian society, how many??

Like i stated before, polish history ain't your strong side.
But i do believe that even your soul can be saved, so my advice to you is to google around about polish history or maybe your more of a book person.

1264, LOL. This is 2010.

Ow really?

Poland has been Catholic for a very long time so religious tolerance laws just rest on paper if you don't have a fitting context in which to apply them.

The KINGS of Poland always choose the catholic faith, but the nobles and the people could choose whatever faith they desired.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #42
I know that. Anti-Semitism hit its peak in 1968 when student demonstrations were also very visible. I was discussing modern tolerance, not ancient.

Well, it clearly isn't yours either as you can't even quote me a figure ;) ;) ;)

Yup, I can confirm that if you wish :) :) We are in June btw :)

Of course, that's freedom of religion which is a different thing from religious tolerance. You saw the protests yourself when a 2nd major mosque was proposed for Warsaw.

"Ow"? Did that reality hurt, David? ;)
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
28 Jun 2010 #43
You saw the protests yourself when a 2nd major mosque was proposed for Warsaw.

That's how democracy works.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #44
Exactly, and that's what I'm talking about here. Religious intolerance through perceived dangers and a reaction to sth foreign. The reality is that Islam constitutes 0.07% of life here so why the need for religious tolerance documents when people will show by deeds how they feel? After all, what is a nation without its people and their manifest will?
David_18 68 | 982
28 Jun 2010 #45
quote me a figure

I'm linking the sites to you so you can find it out yourself, im not your mother...

Of course, that's freedom of religion which is a different thing from religious tolerance. You saw the protests yourself when a 2nd major mosque was proposed for Warsaw.

I was talking about Poland before the communism.

Allright if we are going to talk about modern Poland, then i can agree with you that they still got a long way to go in religious tolerance, but i guess that goes for whole europe and not only Poland. The brits in general are kinda anti semitic too you know :)

I can't stand the polish peasants in the "Wjoska", if it ain't the germans fault it's the jews.
Too much radio maria i guess xd
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #46
Well, you clearly didn't check them, you just hurled them on up there. There is nothing on it other than a blanket statement without corroboration. Besides, part of it contradicts your version of things. Read it and see.

Why the constant deflection? If you want to talk about Poland, then talk about Poland and not other European nations. I'm not aware of any anti-Semitism rankings anyway ;) ;)

Poland has changed since then :) Also, statutes and actions rarely follow the will of the overall population.

Britain takes a more realistic position in its views of Israel and doesn't merely offer blind support to a state which repeatedly carries out disproportionate actions which are flagrant violations of international law. Poland's relative neutrality is good.
David_18 68 | 982
28 Jun 2010 #47
Also, statutes and actions rarely follow the will of the overall population.

Maybe not in Scotland, you evil scotsman!!

Why the constant deflection? If you want to talk about Poland, then talk about Poland and not other European nations. I'm not aware of any anti-Semitism rankings anyway ;) ;)

That's my so called defence mechanism. Yes even i got one!!!

Well, you clearly didn't check them

I will try to give you more figures in the future

Ow could you please qoute and reply, makes it easier for me to understand your response.
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #48
just one fresh practical experience. I observed in my first post that the polish women tend to pose modskod without having stuff for it. for last two hours i was working in the garden. oposite to my house is small public park. i saw a polish girl taking sun bath just on the small pavement used by public. mind you today is very hot and sunny day here in warsaw, people passed by and no body took notice of her. i went and asked her why she is occupying the public pavement. while the fact is that there is sufficient place else where in the park. she abrubptly replied to show to public i have chosen this point. what you want to show to public my natural question was. and she was having nothing. flat on her two assets. ( to me one must have 54 inches braw for her assets to which i consider worth looking at) and very skinny legs with very poor looking physique etc. when she was told her factual position she got angry shouted some abuse in polish and left the park. so is the situation here in warsaw. For attracting the public my advise is that at least polish women should examine themselves first and then should try to come in public.

the recent oposition and big hue and cry for the mosque in ochota area of warsaw itself is indicative how tolerant poles are. all is jsut on papers. when it comes to practice they prove to be racist and show hatred and dislikes for other relgions and colours.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
28 Jun 2010 #49
what you want to show to public my natural question was. and she was having nothing. flat on her two assets. ( to me one must have 54 inches braw for her assets to which i consider worth looking at) and very skinny legs with very poor looking physique etc.

The above shows your great, encompassing tolerance for other's people choices and decisions. All the other people simply passed her by, thereby showing their neutrality and tolerance, whilst you simply had to prove your point.

But - I will not feed you further, TROLL.

You are one of the most professional trolls I have had the pleasure of observing. Carry on. I can't wait for more.
peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
28 Jun 2010 #50
7. Poles are mostly intrested in domestic affairs and not much intrested in International affairs.

Agree. Especially what happened in Middle East but it looks like Middle East is still interested in Poles ;)
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #51
why they should be intrested in poles. what poles have to give them. do the poles have gold mines, gas or lpg for sheikhs of ME.
David_18 68 | 982
28 Jun 2010 #52
HAHAHHAHAHA you should really go a course in manners.

the recent oposition and big hue and cry for the mosque in ochota area of warsaw itself is indicative how tolerant poles are. all is jsut on papers. when it comes to practice they prove to be racist and show hatred and dislikes for other relgions and colours.

Are you black? or arabic?
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #53
Still no answer from our trollish friend, Sun and Moon.

Born in subcontinent India, grew up little there, then to usa, then to uk, germany, holland and now thrown in Poland probably for two years. wheatish looks not black not white rather in bwtween. hold one master and three bechalor degrees in various facets. working on high administrative post having poles also under command. not taking any thing from poles rather on giving end as my all emoulments paid by by my bosses outside the poland and i spend every thing here thus boosting the polish economy. will it suffice my dear Torq
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #54
Poles are just not accustomed to having non-whites as bosses, S+M. Be thankful that you are accepted as many would just blank you, I feel.
Torq 32 | 2,999
28 Jun 2010 #55
Born in subcontinent India

will it suffice my dear Torq

By all means :-) You come from a country where 600 million people have to sh*it outside
their homes (on the roads, in the bush etc.) because they don't have toilets. 600 million
people, for crying out loud!

The UN estimates that 600 million people or 55 percent of Indians still defecate outside.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/600-million-lack-toilets-in-India/articleshow/5246171.cms

And you have the cheek to complain about the smell in Polish toilets :-)

You should be grateful that you currently live in a country, where you can just go to
a toilet when you feel the urge or maybe you should come back to your shi*thole of
a country, make sure that 600 MILLION people don't have to sh*it on the streets
and then you can come back here and lecture us on civilization :-)

LOL
David_18 68 | 982
28 Jun 2010 #56
Born in subcontinent India

Im glad to see some indian flavour in Poland :)

I hope you enjoy your stay, even though some poles are crazy.
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #57
You should be grateful that you currently live in a country, where you can just go to
a toilet when you feel the urge or maybe you should come back to your shi*thole of
a country

so here is the proof of being racist. i was brought in hunstvil albama usa. now hold tripple citizenships. no one has to tell me any thing about any aspect. only problem is that i have shown the real face of poles in a crystal mirror. being from diplomat field, i have contacts with other diplomat mission in warsaw. all non muslim/muslim diplomat at least do complain about the discrimination of poles with them. another proof is see all the newspapers never ever any coverage of any other relgion. see tv, only interested in self egoed programs. world is not poland it is just a tiny land with not a proud history. try to come out of your gatteos and see where world is going. blunder happend in gaza strip whole world was crying but see the poles only intrested in domestic affairs.

you joke india. see poles puls tv. all seems to be mad to the cultural richness of this wonderland. but racist mentality can not see to it. just wait for few years many poles will be seen roaming indian streets for oil and gas. let caspian reserviors to pass through there. even toady if eu funding is taken out, poles stay no where near to india. poles are jsut dancing on the money of others as eu needs a place to dump their garbages same as us needs poland for it malafide desgins.

india has rich culture. it is a great country. one can not jsut imagien how wornderful this land is. it has people more whiter than poles (kasmir adn northern areas) but not with inferiority complexed psyche as poles have. wheather stuff has or not but do behave like western europeans. hi hi hi
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
28 Jun 2010 #58
Religious intolerance through perceived dangers and a reaction to sth foreign.

Why are you calling Poles intolerent and saying they perceive dangers - do you feel this way about Malaysians who openly descriminate against Christians? Why is that Muslim countries can make life hell for other religions but they feel they have all the rights in the world in Christian countries ?

they still got a long way to go in religious tolerance,

They have mosques..they just dont want any more..they have show tolerence by allowing muslims to access their places of worship, which is more than muslims would do for Roman Catholics in muslim countries.

i went and asked her why she is occupying the public pavement. while the fact is that there is sufficient place else where in the park. she abrubptly replied to show to public i have chosen this point.

I am going to call you a liar, I dont believe you.

Born in subcontinent India,

Then you should know all about bad roads and dirty toilets more than any "Europeans" could ever.

working on high administrative post having poles also under command

Another lie, your command of English is terrible (your over use of "one" doesnt make you sound English, it just makes you sound silly and the simple mistakes with regards to tense are even worse) and I find it hard to belive you could command a goat let alone a team of educated adults.

Please continue with your rant though, its highly amusing that a 3rd world immigrant could possibly judge a country like Poland on anything and certainly not tolerence - you have "untouchables" in your culture...

wheather stuff has or not but do behave like western europeans. hi hi hi

I dont think so.

i was brought in hunstvil albama usa

Did you mean "bought" Ive heard so much about the sale of little brown babies..maybe $1?

so here is the proof of being racist.

Is it not a fact that Indians shyt in the street? Its not racist to point it out. You sound like some pathetic Indian who cant get a "white" girl friend so you have to degrade them, you also keep mentioning how the Poles are not "western european" you are right but its only geography that makes them East and me West..nothing more..
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #59
I have popcorn on hand, and cannot wait to see what else you have to say and yes, I like where this thread is going (TM).

is it popcone or popcorn. just observance does not suffice. have some arguments if you do not agree with some of observations. normaly polish women threaten with word, you know i am a real women and will see you and will teach you a lesson" but you seems to be humble and polite and tolerant.
Torq 32 | 2,999
28 Jun 2010 #60
@Sun and Moon:

Listen, third-worlder, because that's who you are. White people accepted you in their
countries (USA, Netherlands, UK, Germany, Poland) and you should either be grateful
for that or come back to your home, shi*t flooded, country :-)

You see, we - white people, are generous and we reach out our hands and pull you
out of sh*it (literally). Where's your gratitude, puny third-worlder? You come to this
forum and insult the great Polish nation while at the same time 600 million of your
compatriots have to defecate in the streets - that's hilarious :-)

Another lie, your command of English is terrible

It is, isn't it? Funny - no matter how long those third-worlders live in English-speaking
countries, you can always recognize them by their abysmal command of English. Must be
a cultural thing, I guess (and, probably, partly genes as well.)

being from diplomat field

LOL

its highly amusing that a 3rd world immigrant could possibly judge a country like Poland on anything and certainly not tolerence

Well said, Amathyst. Well said indeed!


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