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SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY


OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #61
command a goat let alone a team of educated adults.

how true you are in your assessment. what i command are poles and they call themselves educated adults and you term them as goats. what an honour from a pole to an other pole
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
28 Jun 2010 #62
Another lie, your command of English is terrible (your over use of "one" doesnt make you sound English, it just makes you sound silly and the simple mistakes with regards to tense are even worse) and I find it hard to believe you could command a goat let alone a team of educated adults.

how true you are in your assessment. what i command are poles and they call themselves educated adults and you term them as goats. what an honour from a pole to an other pole

Read my post, I called you an out and out liar, you command no one.

Well said, Amathyst. Well said indeed!

You see Torqy, us "Europeans" stick together, whether we be North, East or South ;0)
Torq 32 | 2,999
28 Jun 2010 #63
I got nothing against Indians

Me neither. I always liked Apaches, Iroquois and other great Indian tribes :-)

Besides - our trollish friend is most probably from Bangladesh, not from India.

Hey, S&M - how can you fit 158 million people (a population 20 million larger than
that of Russia!) in a country smaller than Tunisia?

In addition, your population doubling time is 30 years, so in 2040 you will have 316 million
people - that's more than USA has now! It will be twice as bad as it is today.

That's where Sun and Moon was born......and he complains about Poland :-)

Why don't you come back to Bangladesh, troll? It will be fun there - 316 million people
by 2040, on a territory the size of a couple of Polish vojvodships :-)

You see Torqy, us "Europeans" stick together, whether we be North, East or South ;0)

That's right - one Union, one Civilization, one Struggle and Defiance against the constant
flood of muslims and other third-worlders like the Sun and Moon troll.
internaldialog 4 | 145
28 Jun 2010 #64
Torq

out of everything on this thread your post made me laugh the most :D but thats my sense of humour i guess ...

i'll keep reading the posts for the chuckles ....
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #65
Amathyst, yawn! There is intolerance and I wasn't entering into comparative studies at all. Don't tag on stuff like the Malaysian thing and use it against me as I know full well that the press victimises Islam and Muslims. I really dislike that, tagging on an extra part to make out that I said sth bad. What I said was true!
z_darius 14 | 3,968
28 Jun 2010 #66
very skinny legs with very poor looking physique etc.

Was she worse looking than those women?

women

i was brought in hunstvil albama usa

There is no such place on this planet.

blunder happend in gaza strip whole world was crying but see the poles only intrested in domestic affairs.

So what exactly do moo slimes do about the conflict? Where is the aboundant "help" to Palestinians?

india has rich culture. it is a great country. one can not jsut imagien how wornderful this land is.

Sure. A very beautiful country:

and some really wonderful culture.
So how many millions of those Indian widows are treated worse than dogs:

India is still a shhithole and probably one of the ugliest countries in the world. Women are treated like shhit and its a picture of poverty and misery for most.

it has people more whiter than poles (kasmir adn northern areas) but not with inferiority complexed psyche as poles have. wheather stuff has or not but do behave like western europeans.

Really? I didn't realize widows are treated like garbage in Western Europe.
I hope Poland will never reach that "ideal"

you joke india. see poles puls tv. all seems to be mad to the cultural richness of this wonderland. but racist mentality can not see to it. just wait for few years many poles will be seen roaming indian streets for oil and gas.

As for the gas, are you sure Indians have enough to eat to expel any gas.

being from diplomat field

Oh, so you work diplomat fields?
Do you pick cotton or strawberries?
From the way you write you appear to be somewhere between a chimpanzee and grade 3 (that's primary school). No offense to 3rd graders.

In conclusion, thank you for the wonderful review of Poland. I hope it will discourage more garbage from you country from coming to Polnad to pollute it with the "wonderful" culture and riches of India.
Torq 32 | 2,999
28 Jun 2010 #67
As for possible "contribution" of Indians to European culture and civilization, I highly
recommend "Le Camp des saints" by Jean Raspail. Brilliant book.
Bzibzioh
28 Jun 2010 #68
I hold one master and three bechalor degrees in various facets.

And none of those universities taught you decent English. You seriously overpaid for your education. You wouldn't be by chance the same Indian businessman who were on PF last summer gathering 'proof' of Polish racism, would you?
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #69
i would now like to end this discussion from my side at least for today. i respect poles and some of their qualities. however what i observed i mentioned it with honesty. aim was to give a food for thought and for improvment. with one more narration of incident i would like to call it a day. as for english is concerned it is not my native language and i am aught to make mistakes and not ashamed of it. every one can do so. one young pole came to me. student of uni doing masters in international affairs. looking for part time job. i told him poles do not have good reputation in western europe. he told me the poles living here are different from those who left the country and he termed these migrated poles as a bit lower class poles.we agreed on honest working basing on mutual trust. just in second week he broke my trust by findling some of my important documents. hidden camera films was having a proof of it and he could not deny it. so if i am having such type of experience how i can have good image of poles. please tell me honestly.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
28 Jun 2010 #70
The above shows your great, encompassing tolerance for other's people choices and decisions. All the other people simply passed her by, thereby showing their neutrality and tolerance, whilst you simply had to prove your point.

Good point. And who in hell dares to chase women, especially sunbathing, but pervs from some jungles? Anti-sunbathing-women freaks should be imprisoned and deported immediately, no questions ask. They are danger to the environment and its beauty. These people should live on Mars and wear astronaut suits all day long. Freaks.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
28 Jun 2010 #71
and now thrown in Poland probably for two years

If I was you I would scream bloody discrimination, accuse my superiors precisely of that for sending me on assignment to Poland and demand immediate transfer to India perhaps where you'll feel at home.

You sound like some pathetic Indian who cant get a "white" girl friend so you have to degrade them

I agree his advances were rejected and now he has an ax to grind. Not to worry Sun and Moon, I'm sure your parents can find someone more suitable for you, worthy of your status if you know what I mean, it will only cost them two water buffalo's, with your luck in the affairs of the heart she might even look like one.

i was brought in hunstvil albama usa.

Now that explains the attitude, most backward state in U.S you must feel at home there.

as for english is concerned it is not my native language and i am aught to make mistakes and not ashamed of it.

it's Huntsville, as for English not being your native language it's still no excuse not to spell the city you supposedly grew up in correctly, same goes for the city you supposedly live and work in now

see the very strange traffic on roads of wrsaw

You're just a Troll and disrespectful at that, besides from what I've heard folks from Alabama don't need no damn outhouse, could it be your cultures influence on the natives?
Nathan 18 | 1,363
28 Jun 2010 #72
could it be your cultures influence on the natives?

Damn man, where did you get that photo? ;)))))))))))
David_18 68 | 982
28 Jun 2010 #73
so if i am having such type of experience how i can have good image of poles. please tell me honestly.

So you come to this forum and cry about it?

Seriously what kinda response did you think you would get?

Somthing like "Sun and Moon your so right, poles are so dumb and narrowminded and they expose themselfs like little ******!!!!"

Sorry matey... I really like India, but you just made me think twice about visiting your country.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
28 Jun 2010 #74
Amathyst, yawn! There is intolerance and I wasn't entering into comparative studies at all. Don't tag on stuff like the Malaysian thing and use it against me as I know full well that the press victimises Islam and Muslims. I really dislike that, tagging on an extra part to make out that I said sth bad. What I said was true!

But you said that Poles are intolerent because they dont want to regonise other religions, which is a lie, they have a rich history of Judaism and Tartars who are Muslims so my point was valid I was showing you that muslim countries are in fact intolerent.

Did you know that in Malaysia they have ID cards and on their cards they have their religion, but if a person is not a muslim then the space where it states "religion" remains empty if they are a non muslim, they are not allowed to practice their religion in public, they are persecuted..So a few anti muslim lines in the DM are nothing..They usually generated because they are phographed holding plaquards calling our brave soldiers butchers and stating that England will be a muslim state! So you can yawn all you like..Its okay to call one group intolerent but not another?

It was brilliant indeed. No troll can feel safe with Amathyst around :)

Absobloodylutly! It beggers belief that a 3rd worlder would degrade Poland..Ive visited 3 times..it's no different to any other European country Ive been to.

And none of those universities taught you decent English.

They're just on paper, he "purchased" them! Its common practice!

as for english is concerned it is not my native language

Lie No. 3, you said you were "brought" in America?

he termed these migrated poles as a bit lower class poles.

Damn I must tell that to one of our Engineers at work :( She'll be gutted! NOT!

please tell me honestly

Pakis and Indians have names like Asif so I doubt you lot know what "truth" reall means!

I would like to ask you a question though, why do you lot always seem to think its okay to touch female patients in an inappropriate manner, a friend of my works for GMC and they're forever dissiplining / striking you off for your for disgusting behaviour!

Now please stay in doors so you are not subjected to such decadent behaviour (which most men would just enjoying watching form afar!) which will lead to yet more rejection!
Matowy - | 295
28 Jun 2010 #75
Wow, what an embarrassing thread, even by PF standards. Some of you really have no decency or humility.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
28 Jun 2010 #76
I know.... the OP should be stood against a wall and shot!
Mr Grunwald 19 | 1,542
28 Jun 2010 #77
You see, we - white people

tsk tsk, how disappointed I am

I would said we Polish people

or Latin Civilization, but starting to think like an Western racist, oh dear

Good point. And who in hell dares to chase women, especially sunbathing, but pervs from some jungles? Anti-sunbathing-women freaks should be imprisoned and deported immediately, no questions ask. They are danger to the environment and its beauty. These people should live on Mars and wear astronaut suits all day long. Freaks.

I love that comment <3

Wow, what an embarrassing thread, even by PF standards. Some of you really have no decency or humility.

Give us a cookie and we will join the dark side!
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #78
Poland has some of the most intellectual people out there. This is where I am for PO, they reward them more and see life as more of a meritocracy. Serving those whining village people is NOT where Poland wants to be. In order to be more Western, you need experience of Western systems.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
28 Jun 2010 #79
4.. People tend to pose like Western Europeans but have nothign common except for white skin.

I find that very hard to believe.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #80
He clearly hasn't been to France where many are black. Not brown like many in Britain, but black. He is well wide of the mark. When I sit and discuss things in amongst Poles, I don't feel the East/West thing at all. I see fellow whites who show an awareness of life in the West and an appreciation of British humour.

I think most Poles would balk at Marmite. Tell them that yeast is used in beer making and they might change their minds.

Poles will take a long time to venture beyond pierogi and cabbage-based dishes. They are very traditional when it comes to food.
nott 3 | 594
29 Jun 2010 #81
Not adventurous is coward to me :)

You're wrong. As tourists, Poles tend to try everything they can grab, and import quite a lot of it. Good things, I mean. Italian food, Chinese, Hungarian, French last but not least. Not English. And it's not because traditional Polish cuisine is boring, it's a mix of whatever has ever had a chance of being tasted, and passed the test.

As tourists, maybe. As the majority of Poles are here, no, they are not adventurous.

:) I've been living in Poland most of my life, which is quite long. I know Polish people. I don't recall a single reaction like 'nah, this is some foreign sh1t, I am not eating it'. Quite to the contrary. And this approach is traditional, that's why Polish kitchen is so rich.
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240
29 Jun 2010 #82
Discrimination with coloured skin is too much evident in every day life

If you're such a fancy shmancy well travelled "manager" then why is your English so poor? Please, i don't want to be disrespectful towards your motherland or your race but why the hell all of you muslims try to force your religion upon everyone? You lot are the most uncivilised bunch on the whole planet, dressing in rags and treating women like second class citizens as examples! And you have the cheek to come here and share your 'valuable observations' which are clearly those of someone who is very bitter because he's upset. Polish people attend church more than any other people i know and it's not just old women, it shows you made all this rubbish up because you know nothing. Now get back to your market stand, Ali, and keep selling all those fake adidas t-shirts. Businessman my ass!
shush 1 | 212
29 Jun 2010 #83
I've been living in Poland most of my life, which is quite long. I know Polish people. I don't recall a single reaction like 'nah, this is some foreign sh1t, I am not eating it'. Quite to the contrary. And this approach is traditional, that's why Polish kitchen is so rich.

I dont agree - I am Polish myself and what pisses me off sometimes that Poles would rather go every day to Polish restaurant with Polish food rather than trying something new. As it was said already they are sticking to what they know and they are looking at new things with caution. Not every Pole is like that, of course but lots and lots if not majority.
nott 3 | 594
29 Jun 2010 #84
I am Polish myself and what pisses me off sometimes that Poles would rather go every day to Polish restaurant with Polish food rather than trying something new.

And what country is that?
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
29 Jun 2010 #85
shush wrote:

I dont agree - I am Polish myself and what pisses me off sometimes that Poles would rather go every day to Polish restaurant with Polish food rather than trying something new. As it was said already they are sticking to what they know and they are looking at new things with caution. Not every Pole is like that, of course but lots and lots if not majority.

one cause of this is finances. anything with the Made in Poland stamp is considerably cheaper than anything else. I like to go to Alma because I can find food from other countries (which i greatly prefer over polish food) but it breaks the bank just to buy a few things.

i myself eat mostly polish food in poland simply because it's cheaper. much cheaper.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 Jun 2010 #86
The 'Polish' kitchen is filled with foreign imports but taken as Polish 100%. Examples? Naleśniki are crepes and are French. Leczo and gulasz are Hungarian. Pierogi are Slavic generally and even Chinese (check the history). Cabbage was given to Slavs by Celts who, in turn, got it from Asia way back.

Polish experimentation rarely goes beyond Italian offerings which are fairly universal. I'm talking in scale terms here as there are some who experiment.

Shush is absolutely right! 2 oriental places have gone under here due to the mundane zeroing in on flour-based options (peasant food) and cabbage (horsefeed in Scotland generally). Rich cuisine? Within a narrow sphere maybe.

Poles overestimate 'their' food, good as it is!
nott 3 | 594
29 Jun 2010 #87
The 'Polish' kitchen is filled with foreign imports but taken as Polish 100%. Examples? Naleśniki are crepes and are French. Leczo and gulasz are Hungarian. Pierogi are Slavic generally and even Chinese (check the history). Cabbage was given to Slavs by Celts who, in turn, got it from Asia way back.

And potatoes were virtually unknown in Poland before 17th century, maybe. Now try and convince me that potato is not a typical Polish staple food, known, loved, and eaten in variety of forms. You want Poles to invent their own vegs and animals if they want to call it Polish cuisine? In 966, exactly, as this is the official birth date of Poland?

I don't care were the Polish kitchen originated. On the contrary, I am trying to prove that you are wrong saying that Poles stick to their parochial, limited tradition. Traditionally, they don't. Habitually, neither - but they like good food, so English cafe is no option.

Polish experimentation rarely goes beyond Italian offerings

Except that Polish food comes from every corner of the world, as you've just stated.

Shush is absolutely right! 2 oriental places have gone under here

Sush is superficial in her opinions. It's not important if the place is exotic, the point is whether they make good food. In London, when I ask a Brit about a good kebab, he shows me the nearest one. I go there, and meat is hard, vegs stink, and chips are flaccid excuses. A Pole will tell me straight away 'just don't go over there. There's a good one in Colindale'. Means he's been there, eaten that, and he's tried lots of places around, and has an opinion based on research. Because Poles, we love to eat... Good food.

due to the mundane zeroing in

:)

on flour-based options (peasant food)

Well... like schabowy? Zrazy? Mielony? Bitki? Pyzy z mięsem? Rosół? Wędliny of all sorts? :) Do you know how much of a pig is left after a Polish butcher finishes with it? Brits throw away half of it.

And what is wrong with inventiveness as applied to such a boring raw material as flour, I don't really understand.

and cabbage (horsefeed in Scotland generally).

And tripe is dog food, I know. Ever tried? French eat frogs, and this is haute couture, Poles eat calf's brains, a delicacy, and this is barbaric. Oh, unimaginative, you say. Boring. Like raw beef, or something. Nutria sausage, like.

Rich cuisine? Within a narrow sphere maybe.

You want a list of Polish soups? Broths? Meat dishes? Fish, even if fish are not as easy to find in Poland as they are in the UK? Dumplings, cakes, food based on cheese, flour(yes), potato? How many mushrooms, as a Brit, do you know, and how do you use them?

Narrow sphere. The most popular polish food can give you variety for weeks, breakfast, dinner, and supper. And then you can repeat it with variants, and then comes regional food, and you're busy till Christmas.

Poles overestimate 'their' food, good as it is!

Their, definitely. Much of it imported, accepted, modified, and beloved. Don't tell me that Poles are unadventurous as it comes to food. The thing is, though, that the adventure is supposed to be exciting. Not like all-day-breakfast, or fish and chips. However good the latter may be, in places.

You're just baiting me, aren't you?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 Jun 2010 #89
Potatoes are every bit as much Scottish as they are Polish. Even more so Irish. It's not Polish and that's my point. It's Peruvian if anything.

Yes, they do stick to their own things, nott, unless they are in America where they will likely experiment a bit more. Even in the UK they look for Polish places. Cafe? What is English food, nott?

Good food? What, drenched in oil (pierogi) and full of fat and salt? ;) ;)

Schabowy and mielony are basically Viennese schnitzel. Zrazy are Belarussian, Lithuanian and Italian. Bitki is Russian.

The wędliny is truly super here :)

Flaki is known here. Good old tripe :)

Scotland truly excels in fish and soups, as does Poland. I'm impressed with the options but many fish are international.

Yeah, I am baiting. I love purely Polish cuisine and the Poles have adapted many things and made them better. We are all inspired by others anyway when it comes to cuisine. Relatively, Poles are unadventurous but time may change that!
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
29 Jun 2010 #90
Potatos are neither Scottish, Irish, Polish or Dutch. They are a new world food. They came from the Americas.


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