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SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY


tow_stalin - | 57
27 Jul 2010 #271
Sun and Moon

"It is good to note that at least a few Poles call a cat a cat"

hmmmmm... i was SARCASTIC, and i was counting on your intelligence - you disappointed me... please take this into consideration when reading my post...

clarification: your knowledge about poles, europe, etc, is very poor. i don't wont to discuss with you about this, because its wasting of time.

p.s. start counting days to leave poland.

have a nice day
tow.stalin.
Seanus 15 | 19669
27 Jul 2010 #272
How about observations of friends rather than this general nonsense that comes up? My friend, xxx, thinks xxx and their opinion seems to be typical of Poles because.... Otherwise, it's just vague nonsense.
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
6 Aug 2010 #273
tow_stalin
It looks to me also as uptill now I have been playing mouth organ in front of some buffalo. Previously also Terri threatened me for dire consequnces now you tell me to start counting days. You all are mistaken. Most people from sub continent are Arians origin and they do not leave a thing half done. I have started this compaign to tell to Polish Community about their weaknesses and shortcomings and wil continue to so. So forget this notion that I will start counting my days. Incidently I was in Uk for few days and made some more deep obserations about some Poles and will intimate for all of you in due course of time.
Seanus 15 | 19669
6 Aug 2010 #274
You will find contrast in almost any society. Yes, even Japanese! I like students who produce language with passion but those that are humphy are a real chore. It's like pulling teeth. Mabye they are tired so I'm never too hard on them. They are there to learn and not feel under the cosh but it really requires patience.
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
11 Aug 2010 #275
You will find contrast in almost any society.

agreed bu it looks as poles have accepted the observations made by me. this is also a great quality to accept weaknesses and make an effort to improve it. by the way what president of poland is trying to have from his counter part of czeck republic in high mountains.
Seanus 15 | 19669
11 Aug 2010 #276
Well, the cross issue is certainly exposing a radical element of Polish society. Also, guilty by association works as a concept. I have been labelled as a RM and PiS fan due to defending the cross being where it is. It really doesn't bother me either way but to be tagged as a fanatic is laughable and anybody that knows me would agree.
Seanus 15 | 19669
11 Aug 2010 #278
Or even The Czech Republic :)

Let's look at another aspect of Polish society, football fans. Who here has been to a football match in Poland?
king polkakamon - | 542
11 Aug 2010 #279
I have been here in Greece in several matches and I don't think it differs substantially from Poland.
Seanus 15 | 19669
11 Aug 2010 #280
Greek fans have a rep for being close to the most brutal. Turkish fans too.

Polish police are an effective deterrent. The guys are huge!
king polkakamon - | 542
11 Aug 2010 #281
Greek fans have a rep for being close to the most brutal.

Yes,some manage to bring in knives and other weapons.One year ago a fan of Panathinaikos was killed by an arranged clash through internet.

My brother who studied in Italy told me that once PAOK fans from Thessaloniki went with their team to a city in Sicely which is mafia center and after the match they proceeded to vandalisms while whole Italy looked astonished since noone dares to do anything in this city.The locals were caught by surprise.
Seanus 15 | 19669
11 Aug 2010 #282
The mafia just isn't that powerful here in that way. As regards property, they seem to hoarde the rynek areas but not that active in football.
Paulina 16 | 4479
3 Dec 2023 #283
From another thread:

Is there such social desensitization in Poland that 14-year-old girls freeze in front of a store?

It looks like it:

fakty.tvn24.pl/zobacz-fakty/kiedy-natalia-umierala-policjanci-przesluchiwali-swiadka-w-innej-sprawie-zarzucam-sobie-ze-czekalismy-st7465053

It seems that it may be a f*ck up by the police too. I myself have experienced social desensitization from adults as a teenager, but this is another level. I can imagine people ignoring an adult guy lying somewhere, because they may assume he's drunk (still, in winter people should react anyway), but a 14-year-old girl on her way to school? It's just unfathomable for me.
jon357 74 | 22830
3 Dec 2023 #284
I can imagine people ignoring an adult guy lying somewhere,

When I first came to Warsaw, one of my neighbours, an elderly retired lawyer, had a heart attack on Sunday morning in the corridor of our block, just outside the lift on my floor. Most of the neighbours were churchgoers and walked past the dying man on their way to church.

After mass, they came back. He was dead by then. They walked past the corpse, went into their flats and locked their doors, ignoring me knocking when I found the body. None of them bothered to call the police.
Joker 2 | 2250
3 Dec 2023 #285
Most of the neighbours were churchgoers and walked past the dying man on their way to church.

I can believe it.... You should have learned a lesson and moved back to England.

It tells you everything you need to know about their character.
jon357 74 | 22830
3 Dec 2023 #286
Some of them, certainly.

Around the same time, I worked in an office in the centre with other people from the.UK. We looked out of the window and saw a fire on the roof of the apartment building opposite. We were all new in the country and didn't speak Polish, so we led the reception/accounts staff to call the fire brigade. They refused, saying that it wasn't their business.
pawian 224 | 24573
3 Dec 2023 #287
heart attack on Sunday morning walked past the dying man

Simply incredible. You made it up.
Or, the place where you were staying then was inhabited by pathology. There are such cheap council houses in Poland, too.

None of them bothered to call the police.

Exactly. Pathology and underclass margines stay away from the police.
jon357 74 | 22830
3 Dec 2023 #288
You made it up.

it is true. The Polish friend (from the countryside) who I called in a panic and who contacted the police for me was shocked too.

underclass

None of the neighbours there were 'underclass'. The dead man was a neighbour and a retired lawyer.

And on a council estate where I'm from, that just wouldn't happen.
pawian 224 | 24573
3 Dec 2023 #289
but a 14-year-old girl on her way to school?

Very simple explanation - people who walked past the site had no idea it was a person lying in the snow.

The TVN24 journalist talked to Mr. Rafał, who helped the girl's father in the search and found the teenager. - I parked in the Aldi parking lot, got out of the car, looked around. I noticed a trailer with an advertisement, I said: I'll take a look. When I got there, I first saw something black, I thought it was a piece of foil. As I got closer, I saw the girl's face. A tragic sight, he said.

The dead man was a neighbour and a retired lawyer.

That is why I don`t believe this "story." In Polish apartment blocks people are more social, unless we are talking about council pathology.

on a council estate where I'm from, that just wouldn't happen.

Of course it would.
Paulina 16 | 4479
3 Dec 2023 #290
Most of the neighbours were churchgoers and walked past the dying man on their way to church.

It's possible that they thought he was drunk if he was known for drinking.

so we led the reception/accounts staff to call the fire brigade. They refused, saying that it wasn't their business.

Yeah, I'm somehow not terribly surprised... Appalled, but not surprised...

Btw, a few years ago there was a social experiment conducted in Poland (and filmed) showing a small kid without a jumper and a hat sitting on a bench in winter pretending to be trembling with cold. The people who reacted were in a minority. More people reacted in the same experiment in Norway (where the experiment was first conducted). This is the video from Poland (posted 7 years ago):



People in comments pointed out that it was mainly the young people who reacted. I'm not surprised by that either. There was even a middle-aged (or older) woman who said to the boy as she was walking by: "Isn't it too hot for you?" The boy answered that it's cold, but she just kept walking o_O

The same experiment was repeated recently in Warsaw by TVN in the "City Jungle" cycle and was aired, ironically, only a week before the death of the girl from Andrychów. 800 people passed by the boy and only 10 of them reacted (7 women and 3 men):

dziendobry.tvn.pl/gorace-tematy/eksperyment-dzien-dobry-tvn-sprawdzilismy-ile-osob-pomoze-zmarznietemu-dziecku-st7447265

Very simple explanation - people who walked past the site had no idea it was a person lying in the snow.

I thought that's probably what happened too when I read that fragment. I thought that maybe that banner was far away from the store in some big, open, empty area and so it was too far away for people to see. But then I saw a photo of how close that banner was to the store. I checked the Google Street View of that location and the banner was really close not only to the store and parking lot, but also to the pavement and a pretty busy street with a pedestrian crossing and traffic lights. I've watched an interview with a driver who said he saw the girl when she was still squatting next to some pole. Him and his wife stopped at the traffic lights and that's when they saw her and they wondered what is up with her. But they didn't stop to check, because they were in a hurry. Also, the guy you quoted (the father's friend who was looking for her) found her after a few hours and durimg that time the snow was falling apparently. So, at the end it's possible she was covered with snow. But what about earlier? According to unofficial info tens of people are seen passing by her on the CCTV footage from the store cameras. I wish they published that footage...

This is the Aldi store with the banner (the banner where the girl was lying is on the right side of the photo on the grass) and the street next to the store with traffic lights:





jon357 74 | 22830
3 Dec 2023 #291
It's possible that they thought he was drunk if he was known for drinking.

He did apparently drink and was known to most but not all. Not that it's an excuse to walk by on the way to church. I subsequently got to know a young couple who'd just moved in a few weeks before and had seen him. They were sort of shocked and amused at the same time. They still walked by though.

And when most of the corridor came back from church and ignored him, he was definitely dead. When I saw him at about 2pm he was cold, his face had started to drop and there was stuff coming out of his nose and mouth.
Paulina 16 | 4479
3 Dec 2023 #292
Not that it's an excuse to walk by on the way to church.

Of course, I'm just saying what kind of "train of thought" people could have in such a situation.

And they ignored your knocking, which is weird even by Polish standards, I think (at least where I live).

And when they came back and ignored him, he was definitely dead; when I saw him at about 2pm there was stuff coming out of his nose and mouth.

Jesus...
jon357 74 | 22830
3 Dec 2023 #293
And they ignored your knocking, which is weird even by Polish standards,

My friend said the same at the time.
Alien 21 | 5279
4 Dec 2023 #294
so we led the reception/accounts staff to call the fire brigade. They refused, saying that it wasn't their business.

In Germany, this would be a criminal act punishable by imprisonment.
jon357 74 | 22830
4 Dec 2023 #295
a criminal act punishable by imprisonment.

This has been discussed in the UK however the government decided there wa no need to pass a new law since everyone and anyone would call the fire brigade without thinking twice.

I was told after the fire happened that the Polish staff were possibly worried about getting a bill.
Paulina 16 | 4479
4 Dec 2023 #296
In Germany, this would be a criminal act punishable by imprisonment.

It seems that in Poland there would be consequences for such behaviour too:

infor.pl/prawo/kodeks-karny/odpowiedzialnosc-karna/285392,Co-grozi-za-niezawiadomienie-o-niebezpieczenstwie-dla-zycia-i-zdrowia-czlowieka.html

Btw, those neighbours from the situation that jon357 described could go to prison for not helping that guy with a heart attack. One could get 3 years for that in Poland.

I was told after the fire happened that the Polish staff were possibly worried about getting a bill.

A bill for what?
jon357 74 | 22830
4 Dec 2023 #297
A bill for what?

No idea.

could go to prison for not helping that guy with a heart attack.

I suspect they were worrying about that afterwards and had assumed he was drunk before.

You said before that you thought it weird that they ignored my knocking. So did my friend. You're both from places a long way from Warsaw, places with a greater sense of community. Capital citis can be odd places and untypical of the country they're in.


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