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How has Polish immigration into the UK helped Poland?


Maybe 12 | 409
7 Jan 2014 #1
What have been the benefits to Poland of the mass emigration to the UK and EU?

1) Reduced unemployment in Poland, thus reducing the number of benefits the Polish government has to pay.
2) Remittance of wages earn't abroad, this has boosted the consumer economy in Poland, thus creating more jobs as a result in Poland.
3) With so many young Poles travelling across Europe, this has raised the young peoples awareness of other cultures and languages.

What other positive benefits can people think of for Poland?

And what negative benefits have there been for Poland?

1) A brain drain many of the brightest and best have left Poland, has this resulted in skill shortages in Poland?
2) The division of families across borders.

This post is NOT about the positives or negatives of Polish immigration into the UK, it is a post about the positives or negative for Poland.
poland_
8 Jan 2014 #2
it is a post about the positives or negative for Poland.

Polish employees overseas encouraging their companies to invest in Poland.
smurf 39 | 1,981
8 Jan 2014 #3
Immigration has been hugely beneficial to the UK: theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/05/migration-target-useless-experts

Migrants contribute £25bn to UK economy, study finds. Arrivals from EEA countries since 2000 have worked more and received less in benefits than average Briton, academics argue

Migrants coming to the UK since the year 2000 have been less likely to receive benefits or use social housing than people already living in the country, according to a study that argues the new arrivals have made a net contribution of £25bn to public finances.

1) A brain drain many of the brightest and best have left Poland, has this resulted in skill shortages in Poland?

Quite true, however, much like when many countries that have experienced a 'brain-drain' when the good times do come to Poland, i.e. it meets the high expectations of Polish immigrants living abroad many of them will return.

What worries me though is that the Polish govt is doing nothing to try and stop the rot that is setting in. They have zero interest in trying to keep young, educated Poles in Poland. It's a sad state of affairs and without the young to keep the country going and fresh ideas it will remain a conservative inward-looking country :(
Tamarisk
8 Jan 2014 #4
It's a sad state of affairs and without the young to keep the country going and fresh ideas it will remain a conservative inward-looking country :(

The elected officials like everywhere else in the world couldn't care less about the ordinary people. They are only in it to get as much for themselves as they can.
Ironside 48 | 9,837
8 Jan 2014 #5
Maybe few jobs and few small business have been revived for a while with the infusion of money from migrants.
In the long run that immigration is huge disaster for the country. It just a major catastrophe and government do noting but is up to their missive filthy scum.
smurf 39 | 1,981
9 Jan 2014 #6
They are only in it to get as much for themselves as they can.

Yea, I agree.

In the long run that immigration is huge disaster for the country.

No, the UK has always been an country that has attracted emigrants. It's only in the last few years that politicians have made an issue of it.

It's nonsense, as the article I linked shows. Britain is far better off with immigrants coming that what they'd be without them coming, that mi amigo is a fact.
Ironside 48 | 9,837
9 Jan 2014 #7
No, the UK has always been an country that has attracted emigrants.

Did you bother to read this thread's subject?
McDouche 6 | 286
9 Jan 2014 #8
1) A brain drain many of the brightest and best have left Poland, has this resulted in skill shortages in Poland?

Really? Most of the Poles I've seen in the US and UK usually work as car washers, waitresses, farm employees, etc..
Ironside 48 | 9,837
11 Jan 2014 #9
Sure, tell us more about your fantasy world. You do not venture much outside your basement.
OP Maybe 12 | 409
11 Jan 2014 #10
From my personal experience I have many Polish friends that have worked and continue to work in the UK and who have bought properties, land and businesses back in Poland. I think the remittance factor is huge, the knock on effect has improved the standards of living for a huge number of Polish people. Those Poles who have sort work in factories or in agriculture, who earn the minimum wage are still able to send money home. £200 sterling can make a huge difference a month to a poor family or elderly parents on a state pension. At the other end of the spectrum professional Polish people in IT, Banking etc in the UK are able to help finance property and businesses for friends and family back home. This all goes along way to explain the big BMWs and Mercs and large properties and luxury flats that have sprung from nowhere over the last 10 years.
McDouche 6 | 286
12 Jan 2014 #11
Sure, tell us more about your fantasy world. You do not venture much outside your basement.

You keep talking about the basement. IS just because you like the basement so much, it doesn't mean the rest of us do. :-\

Also, it is no fantasy to say Polish immigrants usually work in low class jobs. It's a fact.
jon357 63 | 14,139
13 Jan 2014 #12
Also, it is no fantasy to say Polish immigrants usually work in low class jobs. It's a fact.

That's part of the immigrant experience - very few suddenly find members of the native population resigning their jobs as judges, finance directors, town planners, media consultants, civil engineers, bishops etc to make way for a guy from a village who left home in search of work.

The only exceptions are academia, medicine and any field where there is a shortage of locals. Merit rarely comes into it.
poland_
16 Jan 2014 #13
This all goes along way to explain the big BMWs and Mercs and large properties and luxury flats that have sprung from nowhere over the last 10 years.

Most new show wealth in Poland has come from Eu funds and easy credit, the remittances are mostly going to support families not buy luxury products.

youtube.com/embed/KVi3DcpznV8

As the film above highlights there are two types of Poles those who have severed the umbilical cord for greener pastures and a new sense of freedom and those who remain at home as devotion to one's home country.
Ironside 48 | 9,837
16 Jan 2014 #14
This all goes along way to explain the big BMWs and Mercs and large properties and luxury flats that have sprung from nowhere over the last 10 years.

How that is helping Poland and how cars and luxury flats are sing of wealth and prosperity of the country?
I claim that Polish immigration didn't help Poland.
THE HITMAN - | 236
16 Jan 2014 #15
it is a post about the positives or negative for Poland

Economically yes.
Politically no.
milky 13 | 1,657
16 Jan 2014 #16
I think the remittance factor is huge,

at last someone admits this on PF
Crow 137 | 7,716
16 Jan 2014 #17
How has Polish immigration into the UK helped Poland?

answer is obvious. Those Poles who spent some time in UK, after experienced great British `love`, love Poland little bit more.
milky 13 | 1,657
17 Jan 2014 #18
That makes no sense.
Cardno85 31 | 976
17 Jan 2014 #19
I think economically it did make a difference, I have a number of friend who went to work in the UK and came back to buy properties and used their improved language skills and cultural things they learned to land a better job in Poland than would have been available before. Having a number of people who buy property and are in higher paying jobs equates to higher disposable income. This in turn means they spend more money in Poland now than they would have if they had stayed.

It has made a big difference to the tourism industry as well. When I first arrived in Poland, the hospitality and tourism industry was not pleasant. People were unpleasant and a huge number of tourists would complain about the lack of customer service. Now it's completely different. I would say the "minimum wage waitresses" have come back, demanded higher wages (higher than 5PLN per hour isn't hard for a business owner) and earn better tips. This would be after realising that hospitality staff don't have to be part time students living at home and working for pocket money.

Politically I think people are right. With young graduates leaving, it means there are less educated young people getting involved in politics. This is leading to older politicians just going about their business without a care.

Just my two cents.


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