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SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY


Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #1
DEAR FRIENDS
Though I am facing regular deletions but still striving hard to contribute. I am here in Poland for some time. I travel a lot by train, bus, car and air. I have observed some typical things in Polish society.

1. Polish are simple, loving and respectful lot.
2. There seems to be a large gap between those who have and those who have nots.
3. Middle consumer segment of society is missing.
4.. People tend to pose like Western Europeans but have nothign common except for white skin.
5. Women tend to pose mod skod but have not enough attraction and beauty which is essential for such posture.
6. If you trvel in bus the drivers behave as they are driving a donky cart and have sacks of potatos in the bus and not the human passengers. Their applicaiton of brakes is classical and those stnading at rear can have a real taste of it. Closing of door is another example where old, women or children get traped while getting out and then shouting at the driver.

7. Poles are mostly intrested in domestic affairs and not much intrested in International affairs.

If these comments are not deleted by the administration then might like to comment furhter.
DannyJ - | 129
28 Jun 2010 #2
I have observed some typical things in Polish society.

You only got "7"? you have ur eyes shut most the time
alexw68
28 Jun 2010 #3
Women tend to pose mod skod but have not enough attraction and beauty which is essential for such posture.

You'll find that's pretty much a worldwide phenomenon. Except, perhaps, in Afghanistan.

It's not confined to women, either. What is it about blokes that make them feel qualified to pass such misogynistic judgements?
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #4
You only got "7"? you have ur eyes shut most the time

not eyes closed. read carefully. if not deleted will post more
alexw68
28 Jun 2010 #5
You're not wrong about the buses.

Oh and

8) Polish soups are the consistency of the Gulf of Mexico. More-ish, though.
Torq 28 | 2,759
28 Jun 2010 #6
4.. People tend to pose like Western Europeans but have nothign common except for white skin.

Erm... what do you mean "tend to pose" like Western European? :-)

Besides, Poland shares the same Latin civilization and Roman Catholic religion with
France, Spain or Italy, for example. Our law system has its roots in Roman Law
and everything from Universities to government institutions is functioning according
to Western (EU) model (there are minor differences, of course.)

except for white skin

As far as white skin is concerned, it is becoming more and more rare in Western Europe,
so I guess in this respect Poland is quite different from western countries :-)

might like to comment furhter.

Go ahead, while you can. When your home country turns into a caliphate you
may not enjoy such freedom of speech you're enjoying now :-)
smurf 39 | 1,981
28 Jun 2010 #7
Sounds like every other European nation state,

c'mon give us some juicy stuff
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
28 Jun 2010 #8
I've heard customer service is terrible in Poland. Well, judging by Polish cashiers here in Dublin and if they are anything like how they are in PL, I can vouch for that. Only a handful say actually "How are you?". The rest just scans the items and name the price without replying to my standard "There you go" when I hand over the money. Have to say that Irish are not much better and in the bigger cities, the Dutch are neither. The only place with just a very few exceptions I met with great customer service was in the US. But there I always get the unpleasant feeling that they only do so out of fear that the company will get sued in some form.

>^..^<

M-G (haec hactenus)
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #9
Erm... what do you mean "tend to pose" like Western European? :-)

Besides, Poland shares the same Latin civilization and Roman Catholic religion with
France, Spain or Italy, for example. Our law system has its roots in Roman Law
and everything from Universities to government institutions is functioning according
to Western (EU) model (there are minor differences, of course.)

if one shuts his/her eyes no one can help. how one can compare poland with france, spain or italy. It is said one can judge a society from the traffic of cities or standard of public toilets etc. for God sake do not compare with france, spain or italy. see the very strange traffic on roads of wrsaw which is capital, see the stndard and smell of toilets in centrum.where is latin civilization in warsaw. i visit university also specially the warsaw even went to krakow also. rooms like pigeon holes. beaurocratic and monopolistic trend is evident every where in teaching and administration staff. when society as a whole is not following some thing how one can then claim to have some thing. where is the religion few old hags hanign around churches so where is practice of relgion. in france, italy, spain you have worship places of other religions. here one can only see opposition to other relegions. one uni teacher was telling even talking about religion is considered to be tabu in poland. so one can never ever compare poland with western european culture or society.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #10
Sun and Moon, you have to understand sth of Poland's past to see the struggles for identity. It's the same as Japan, they underwent a major reformation of character to distance themselves from their image of brutality during WWII. I kid you not, Poles and Japanese will ask you non-stop about how you perceive them and their country. I don't know what I'm talking about? This was a subject of interest for me and I lived in Japan for 2 years, in Poland for almost 6. I see it acutely.

I don't like making too many observations as I tend to fall into the trap I dislike, the generalisation one. This is why I just prefer to be and not be overly perceptive. I can dispel some of the observations but, then again, it would only be in part.

One key observation I feel, backed up by many Poles, is the black magic of financial acquisition here. I swear they have hidden plots of trees somewhere, discreet plantations where you can pull money off of. Maybe Komorowski was hiding such data ;) ;)
Torq 28 | 2,759
28 Jun 2010 #11
@Sun and Moon:

The condition of roads, traffic, public toilets etc. is a matter of money not of civilization.
Judging by your posts I can tell that your observations are very shallow and primitive.
I travelled all over Europe and lived in Western Europe for some time and all the things
that you mention, which are better there: roads (not always), public facilities (not always)
are better because those countries are richer than Poland. With time we will catch up
with them and everything will look exactly the same. Why? Because we share the same
civilization. As for religion it is evident that you have no idea whatsoever what you're
talking about...

where is the religion few old hags hanign around churches so where
is practice of relgion.

...few old hags? Have you ever been to a Mass in any Polish church? There are babies,
teenagers and generally people of all ages. I know, because I go to Mass every Sunday
(and I'm not that old :)).

so one can never ever compare poland with western european culture or society.

You may be right to some extent. There is much less idiotic political correctness in Poland
and we don't let others disrespect our 1000 year-old Christian religion and tradition.
That's why in 100 years time Poland will still be a Roman-Catholic country with an overwhelming
white-christian majority, whilst most of Western Europe will turn into muslim emirates
(do the maths).
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #12
When your home country turns into a caliphate you
may not enjoy such freedom of speech you're enjoying now :-)

read the islamic history when caliphate was all over. freedom of speech was much better as compared to these days. even one calipha of islam installed one bell for justice in his residence and every one was allowed to ring it if he or she considered him/herself to be wronged. so if ture caliphate came these days also will be much better. but at least no chance in very near future unless some miracle happens
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #13
Many roads are undergoing repair work now. That's the case here in Silesia anyway. The will was always there, Torq is right.

Traffic is traffic, no getting round it.

Public toilets? There could be more of them, fitted with locks and with an ample supply of toilet paper. This is on average and is a mild criticism of Poland. However, it just depends where you are. At the local footie pitch, you can play for free and they always have toilet paper on standby, just in case you push too hard in the match, LOL. Ah, no lock there either :( :(

You go to Mass, Torq? What is your principal motivation, may I ask?

Ooh, I dunno about that one. In percentage terms maybe, but Tusk looks like a man who will auction off Poland somewhere down the line. He has his superiors too ;0 ;)

Sun and Moon, go and Google Nasser Oric and see his part in Izetbegovic's caliphate.
Torq 28 | 2,759
28 Jun 2010 #14
freedom of speech was much better

so if ture caliphate came these days also will be much better

Cool! I wish you and your future islamic country all the best then :)

You go to Mass, Torq? What is your principal motivation, may I ask?

Faith (but you know well enough that I'm not willing to discuss faith issues on this
forum, Seanus - no point really.)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #15
Faith, a perfect answer :) :)

I've never had any problems with a Polish bus braking. In Scotland? Yes

1) Some are and some aren't

2) It's growing, yes

3) ???????????????

4) Hmm....isn't this 2010? Posing as Westerners????? LOL

5) Some have it and some don't

6) See above

7) They are relatively insular, yes. However, the Japanese are more so and look at them :) :) :)

Polish soups are what????
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #16
I can tell that your observations are very shallow and primitive.

I do not want to be persoanl. But I can tell you I am a frequent traveller. Have travelled almost in many countries of Europe including Western, Eastern, Central Europe as well Asia and US. Merely money is not the soloution to every problem. In fact the psyche and mental approach of any nation remain the decisive factors in its progress. After using the toilet does spilling of water in camode requires a money. If some Pole is abondening the dirt in toilet and not taking a trouble to spill the water what money has to do in it. It is just his or her mental psyche. I do not know how one can compare Poles with Japnese. Did you ever experience Kamikaz in second WW. At least no where mentioned in Polish History. Only common thing could be if Poland becomes a garbage field for defence shield project of US (though seems to be forgotton idea) or as Japanese left their National Security in the hands of US. Please accept the fact that except for white skins Poles have nothing else common which can bring them at par with Western Civilized Society. Discrimination with coloured skin is too much evident in every day life even in Warsaw what to talk of small cities and villages. Experience this in the streets and in public transport of warsaw.
mephias 11 | 304
28 Jun 2010 #17
Sun and Moon

I don't agree with most of your observations. How much time have you spent in Poland
and what is your point with this observations (seems more like trolling) ?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #18
I also was a frequent traveller and keep my eyes wide open. I agree that the psyche and will of the people are important but I don't think toilets was the ideal lead on, do you? Not the natural corollary of your good first point.

How can't you compare the Poles and Japanese? I can do it quite freely as I have gained intimate insights into both cultures.

Nothing to bring them to a par?? Eh, crisis avoidance and improving GDP mean nothing to you? Poland may go downhill due to the recent tragedy in Smolensk. Key personnel were taken from Poland, not least SÅ‚awomir Skrzypek.
Torq 28 | 2,759
28 Jun 2010 #19
Please accept the fact that except for white skins Poles have nothing else common which can bring them at par with Western Civilized Society.

It is regrettable, but apparently you are generalizing and judging Poles unfairly.
Oh, well - you're not the first and not the last. Poland was a part of Western
Civilization ever since our Baptism in 966 - over 1000 years now and we will
remain the stronghold of white-Christian-Latin civilization long time after countries
like Netherlands or France turn into islamic republics.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #20
Poland will represent the last bastion of resistance and a strength of JK is his rejection of rampant multiculturalism. Poland doesn't need this.

I think it is you that are high ;) ;)

Although it's not my call, I'd like Poland to be more multicultural though FAR from on a rampant scale. Life is a little bland when dominated by one culture to this extent. However, it is theirs and we are merely guests.
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #21
Racist!!!

how true your judgment is. facts are always bitter to digest. lest the poles can digest the facts,
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #22
First off, I'm not a Pole though I have Polish family now :) :)

Calling me a racist is an absolutely absurd insinuation. I'm very stern with racist people around me. My best time in teaching was teaching mixed races in my CELTA. I taught people from all over and was happy. Furthermore, my home city (in Scotland) has many different folk from all over and they really enhance the food&drink options. Multiculturalism, in its most desirable form, is quite normal for me. I moved away from that in 2001 into 2 homogeneous cultures. However, the greatest part of my life was experiencing it.
Torq 28 | 2,759
28 Jun 2010 #23
Seanus is the last person one could call "racist" here. There's a fine line between being
a racist and not being able to see the benfits of having so-called "multi-culturalism" on
a rampant scale.
David_18 68 | 982
28 Jun 2010 #24
Multiculturalism, in its most desirable form, is quite normal for me. I moved away from that in 2001 into 2 homogeneous cultures. However, the greatest part of my life was experiencing it.

Wow you got a really strong defence mechanism!!!

I know you ain't a racist :)
Matowy - | 295
28 Jun 2010 #25
Whenever I hear the word "Multicultural" I crave Indian food.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #26
Thanks, Torq :) :) My good friend here is racist and he knows that we differ on this point. Him calling a 'murzyn' czarnuch and all manner of other words doesn't impress me at all.

I think Poland is going down a positive route with regards to international goods. I can buy all manner of products from around the world here in little Gliwice. Could anyone say the same 25 years ago? No

Matowy, spot on! My first interpretation involves food&drink, esp Indian :) :) Let the other stuff like festivals come later :)
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #27
Wow you got a really strong defence mechanism!!!

I know you ain't a racist :)

so quick withdawal. hold on to your position. i am supporting you. it is an education to nock out the racist feeling from some ones mind.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
28 Jun 2010 #28
ease accept the fact that except for white skins Poles have nothing else common which can bring them at par with Western Civilized Society. Discrimination with coloured skin is too much evident in every day life even in Warsaw what to talk of small cities and villages. Experience this in the streets and in public transport of warsaw.

Are you aware that Poland had Europe's first modern constitution, As well as the first ministry of education?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Jun 2010 #29
Sun and Moon, ask me some questions and I promise to answer as honestly and as fully as I can. You will see that I'm no racist.

Ask me about Poles and Poland and I'll be honest. Education? I lack it??

I just don't feel, knowing many Poles (esp older), that rampant MCism has a place here. The resistance would be made felt. A few Muslims, Hindis and other groups walking around? No problem!
OP Sun and Moon 2 | 28
28 Jun 2010 #30
Are you aware that Poland had Europe's first modern constitution, As well as the first ministry of education?

what one has to do if it is just on papers. see practical things on streets of warsaw. people want saying with deeds also. not empty slogans of having this and that. a coloured man or woman sitting on seat of four remains empty in bus or train as some low cast it sitting. while the fact is that some times the so called white skin pole is smelling so badly that one can not imagine. so where is modernity of constitution and ministry of education. probably just on papers and in attractive looking shelves. isnt it


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