History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Funny Harold, I had a feeling of the multitude of attacks in around Europe, your keen anti-Polish eye would be quick to pick out the one committed by the Polish man. Of course this attack shows that not only is Poland inherently antisemitic, but so are Polish people.

Now care to mention all the positive stories/articles of Jewish-Polish relations? Oh no wait, that would go against your evil Polska narrative. I've still never quite worked out why you live there, since it is such an awful place full of racists, fascists, bigots and antisemites.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


Yep. Lots of antisemitic attacks happening in many European countries right now. Britain, Germany, France etc. 'Oh but Polska zła. Rabbi attacked on streets of Poland over a decade ago. Let's focus on that.'

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Jon I know Harold is stupid but you don't have to follow in your mate's footsteps, please.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


By the way you never answered my question. How many accounts do you have on here?

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


I'd have to check, but I am pretty sure rabbi's have been attacked in other countries too, probably even in Israel. When I said there are many countries where Jews are far less safe than in Poland, your response was to ask me in what other country the chief rabbi was attacked on the street. So your clear implication was, 'oh yeah, safest place for Jews? Well where else has the Chief Rabbi been attacked?' So don't play stupid - you were implying Poland is far less safe than other places. Oh wait, perhaps you're not 'playing' stupid.


Says the self appointed expert


Well if someone is behaving like a dummy, they deserve to be called out. I never said Jaruzelski was Jewish, yet you attacked me for saying that, which means you either can't read properly or just attacked me because you know, you like attacking people, it gets you excited.


I'm saying in any countries foreigners have to do more to earn trust and respect, wherever they be from. Fortunately for you, quite a few of the people in Poland still unnecessarily suffer from an inferiority complex, so when they see a foreigner, they think he/she is better than them and fawn over them. They shouldn't.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


Are you seriously implying that Poland is the most dangerous country for Jews to live in with that statement? That must be why the most tourists visiting Poland last year were from Israel?


Stop making clueless statements. You don't know how often I go to Poland and how much time I spend there.


No dummy. General Jaruzelski was my example of a Polish national who worked for the commies. You know, when I said there were Poles who defected to the Soviet side as well? Learn to read more carefully before you attack people. I know you find attacking people fun and enjoy provoking, but seriously, take a deep breath, read everything, understand it, then reply. Or better yet, don't post anything.

By the way, how many accounts do you have on this site?

News / Poland's Party of Law and Justice (PiS) reconstruction [38]

Merged:

Poland's Party of Justice reshuffle

Following the change at the top last month [Mateusz Morawiecki for Beata Szydlo] the rest of the reconstruction under the new PM was announced yesterday.

Any thoughts on it?

To me there were not many major surprises. Witold Waszczykowski was rumoured to be going for ages, so it was expected. Antoni Macierewicz I think is the one true surprise, although he did have issues with president Duda and that might have been the reason for his dismissal. It has annoyed many people though as he was popular with many on the right and apparently many in the military too.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


That's my point. Some people act like antisemitism is ingrained in Poland - part of its DNA. It isn't and there are many countries where Jews are far less safe than in Poland, as I have already mentioned.


Zydokomuna isn't fantasy, there was and still is zydokomuna in Poland. Now they are probably more known as leftist Jews, but some still refer to it as zydokomuna, from the communist times. I never said there weren't Jews in the Polish army who fought for Poland, nor did I say there weren't Polish communists. Heck, general Jaruzelski is probably the most prominent of them. My point is, foreigners will always be treated differently to nationals, no matter how much we mask it. If in Britain, a handful of Poles commit awful crimes, it is easy for there to be a lot of anti-Polish sentiment and distrust to Poles because of it, even if other Poles do nothing wrong and even like Britain a lot. I'm trying to explain where the mistrust comes from.

Anyway, I think if this 447 act for uncompensated survivors gets signed by president Trump and leads to a mass onslaught on Poland from America, about paying money to Jews, Polish Jewish relations will break down again. Poland and Israel are seemingly very friendly with each other for now, but I think many Polish people are waiting for that moment when suddenly Israel and the USA starts demanding money. If this happens, the trust will be gone again, and once again Polish people will believe Jews are only about the money. Hopefully this won't happen and the good relations can continue.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Jon you keep talking of this chicken and egg. If you believe, as I do, that there were events and stereotypes that caused a dislike towards Jews in Poland, then you also admit that antisemitism isn't a 'part of Poland,' like Poland = antisemitism. Some people on here are making it seem like, if Poland exists, then antisemitism must also exist, as if there is no Poland with no antisemitism. There was a time, when there was no antisemitism in Poland.

The trouble with Jews is, for so long they haven't had their own land and have been scattered around the world, and people in other countries, have often had their suspicions about them, often rightfully so. The belief is that Jews don't given two hoots about the country they have settle in, only to make lots of money there and create a good life for themselves. These Jews are thought of as still seeing Israel as their real homeland and wouldn't fight for any other country but Israel. I.e. their allegiances lie elsewhere.

You say that Poland is as much theirs [the Jew's] as it is the Poles', but I'm not sure there are many Jews who love Poland that much. Would they fight for it? Would they die for it? Or would they do what many did when the Soviets invaded and kiss Russian ass, turning on the Polish people?

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


This Jesus was causing a lot of unrest among the Jewish population and if he had done nothing, he would have had a lot of unhappy citizens, who may have started to turn against him, so it was a lot easier for him to have Jesus killed, in order to appease the masses. It was a cowardly act, but to act like it was nothing to do with the Jews and all Pilate's doing, is dishonest.

I never suggested this act is what brought some of the Jew's hardships on them, but who knows. For those who are religious, the scripture states that Pilate washed his hands of the killing of Christ and Jews shouted 'his blood on us and our children.' Some Christians believe that the hardships Jewish generations have suffered since then might be partially down to this. Some even believe Hitler was one of these 'punishments.' I personally wouldn't go that far, as it would be an incredibly cruel thing for God to do.

It seems you think that the Catholic church has a lot to do with Jewish problems and suffering?

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

@Lyzko you're the one who is wrong on this. Read the Bible. Pontius Pilate was pressured in to crucifying Jesus by the Jews. They wanted him to be killed for blasphemy - for calling himself the son of God. They didn't want to do the killing themselves though, so got Pilate to do it. Yes he ordered the execution, but only because they wanted him to do it.

Unless you don't care much for the Bible and have some other document you get your information from?

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


Yes this is the interesting question. Even if people want to argue that in the past Jewish people were already here and then the antisemitism started, why do they keep returning? I mean Israeli representatives seem desperate to have a good relationship with Poland and it seems they want to do a lot of business with Poland. If Poland is such an awful country with deep ingrained antisemitism, why would they not just stay clear of it? Why not just cut ties until the country sorts itself out?

Law / Illegal in UK but moved to Poland with Polish wife help for residence card [65]

Sami if you think the UK was strict, you have no chance with Poland. The UK takes people in by the bucketload, while Poland is generally against almost any immigration, unless from Eastern Europe. Haven't you followed the news? Poland is one of the few countries in Europe refusing to take in non-European immigrants.

Law / Illegal in UK but moved to Poland with Polish wife help for residence card [65]

It sounds like he did.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


Erm, J.T.Gross is a lying troublemaker and he fits nicely along with other Jews who do indeed hate Poland and attack it at every opportunity. People such as Jan Hartman, Anne Applebaum and Michnik and his whole gazeta.


Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the reason Christ was crucified was because of the Jews, even if they didn't do it themselves. This doesn't mean if you meet a Jewish person now, you ought to despise them, but reason the church preaches that the Jews killed Jesus, is because it happened. Anyway I go to church every single week and the subject of Jews practically never comes up.

A lot of people make up lies about how antisemitic Poland is. Sure there is some antisemitic sentiment, but generally speaking, Jews are probably much safer on the streets of Poland than any other part of the world. As for antisemitism in Poland in the past, I think a lot of it originated from land and business ownership. Jews used to own a lot of the land in Poland and many businesses. They were foreign, so many workers resented them. Eventually they were seen as the cause of all the problems and mistreatment.

It's a bit like how Black Lives Matter generally stirs up hate directed at white people, as the privileged oppressors. Many white people are not oppressors, not racist and don't have any privilege, yet they are thrown in to the same group, as the evil ones. BLM even encouraged its followers not to buy anything from any white owned companies at Christmas. It's insane, but it's from a negative stereotype formed about by nasty groups like this that some people buy in to. I think that similar things have been done with Jews and some people just see them as bad now.

Overall though I don't think there is a hatred of Jews, just a distrust, that a Polish Jew will always be more loyal to Israel and other Jews, before Poland.

Law / Illegal in UK but moved to Poland with Polish wife help for residence card [65]

So how old are you and how old is she? And where are you originally from?

News / Americans incite hatred towards Russia in Polish media [75]

I think a lot of people in Poland don't like Russia, with good reason. The PiS government certainly doesn't and again, that isn't surprising. Russia has not exactly been much of a friend to Poland in the past. I think the dislike of Russia is more to do with the people who run it, rather than Russians per say. It's much like the left who criticises Poland all the time, doesn't like the current government, not necessarily Polish people.

USA, Canada / Polish-Jewish survivor of the Holocaust celebrates her 100th birthday [29]

Yes indeed, it was passed in the senate on December 12th. Interestingly none of the mainstream media picked it up, right or left. I had to find out about it through other, non-mainstream channels.

congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/447/text

Holocaust industries is showing no sign of letting up.

Off-Topic / American Jew Voice in Poland [93]

Yeah it makes sense. So you're white. So are Semites always white, or can they be non-white? That might then explain why some Jews say they are not white, although it wouldn't explain why they say they are not white, but Jewish, given that Jews, as yourself, can be white, so being Jewish doesn't necessarily stop you being white. I.e. you can be both.

Off-Topic / American Jew Voice in Poland [93]


Well as far as I was aware, Jewish can be a religion or an ethnicity or both. That's why some Jews are not religious, but still Jews, because they are ethnically Jewish. Being Polish is a nationality, so it is different, you are not ethnically Polish, although some might say you can be ethnically Slavic. My question was whether you as a Jew, consider yourself white? It seems that you have given your answer, that you do. As for it being xenophobic to consider Jews to be of the Jewish race, I have heard it said many times, even by Jews, and some Jews also don't consider themselves white [hence my question]. Or would you say being Jewish is a nationality? I never looked at it that way. The way I understood it, a nationality is that of the country you were born in - that's why many Jews consider themselves to be Polish Jews, because they are Jews, but they were born in Poland, so that is their nationality.


Are you sure about this? I always considered a person born in Israel, an Israeli [by nationality] and a person born in Palestine, a Palestinian [by nationality], wherever the boundaries of the two might be [that's a discussion for another time]. You can be born in Israel and not necessarily be Jewish, surely?

Off-Topic / American Jew Voice in Poland [93]

Follow their policies or make deals with them?

Life / Top 10 Poland fashion brands [25]

Fair enough. I'm not blaming them for not being known outside Poland. In fact, it's probably more to do with the how uneven things are and how hard it is to get your brand out there, even if it's good quality. Some big brands would like to have a monopoly on everything in their ideal world.

Life / Top 10 Poland fashion brands [25]


Yeah nobody in the UK or USA knows any of these brands. I don't see these in any shops. I don't know how well known they are in central Europe.

Language / Idiomatic Polish [65]

Ah yes wilczur, with a u - my bad.

Although having typed both of them in to Google image, it seems they are different. Wilczaki do look more like wolves.

Language / Idiomatic Polish [65]


Isn't it wilczor? Or are there two types, one is wilczor and the other wilczak?

Life / Top 10 Poland fashion brands [25]

I'll be honest, I don't know any Polish brands off the top off my head, and while that might say something about me, it says a lot about how much the country is struggling to create recognisable world brands.

Language / Idiomatic Polish [65]

I think 'głodny jak wilk' is more common than 'jak pies' but both are used, with good reason too.

Have you seen how quickly a wolf or wolf-like dog [wilczor, German shepherd, Alsation etc.] can devour a piece of meet? It's frightening.

Off-Topic / American Jew Voice in Poland [93]

I think there is definitely a lot of hypocrisy in the Jewish community, but to assume that being a Jew makes you inherently evil obviously isn't fair. I mean, you can't just not like somebody for being Jewish or having a Jewish background, without knowing anything about them. Judge them not by their race, ethnicity or religion, but by their actions.

Having said that, I can see where people form this stereotype of the evil greedy racist Jew from. There are quote from rabbis who have said a lot of negative things about non-Jews. The most famous are probably those of Ovadia Josef, including 'Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel' or 'Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.'

But again, that doesn't make disliking Jews as a whole right. Many Jews say he doesn't speak for them. This is one rabbi. There are a few others who have said equally nasty things, but you could say the same for imams and others. Judaism and Islam do not have an overall leader who you can turn to for guidance. There are various spiritual leaders who say shocking things, but there are also others who counter those arguments and say they are wrong, and preach peace.

There are many Jews who demand that Poland pay for Jews who lost their homes during the war and so people think Jews are greedy and use the Holocaust for financial gain. There are also other Jews who don't believe Poland should pay anything.

On the topic of hypocrisy, here is this clip by a Jewish woman, who says Europe must be made multicultural in order to survive.

youtu.be/53A5AJoRxF0
[she talks at 0.38]

It begs the question about Israel. Multiculti for Europe but Israel only for the chosen people, right? Doesn't sound very fair.

But again, there are many [particularly right-wing] Jews who are against the idea of multiculturalism in Europe and taking in lots of immigrants. Jews don't think alike.

Back to the topic of the American Jew Voice in Poland. I too am concerned, or at least have my suspicions, about the very sudden heavy involvement of members of the Israeli government with PiS. Are they after something, or do they just want a good relationship and good business deals for both nations? Time will tell.

By the way Lyzko, as a Jew, do you consider yourself white, or Jewish or a white Jewish person? I ask because it seems that some Jews do not consider themselves white, but of the Jewish race.

youtu.be/mirL15zZYNc

UK, Ireland / No Poles Allowed! - Latest Polonophobic Outrage Out of Britain [660]

The news that gets the most ratings/highest clicks is bad news sadly. People don't care about good news where people have done something nice.

UK, Ireland / No Poles Allowed! - Latest Polonophobic Outrage Out of Britain [660]

Just back to the original topic about the 'polonophobic' sign, I can see the reasoning behind it. Polish people were draining the lake of all the fish while Brits were fishing for sport and throwing them back in.

Similar measures were introduced in Poland. In Krakow for example, some bars were not allowing in any Brits for some time [I don't know if it is still the case] because they would get drunk, start fights and smash the place up.

About the no Polish sign - I think they could have done it more tactfully. It was too reminiscent of the no black, no dogs, no Irish style signs in Britain a while back, which was clearly racist. So perhaps a sign explaining that fish must be put back, i.e. only catch and release fishing is allowed.