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vetala   
6 Nov 2009
History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]

I traditionally carry out a pogrom every few weeks but recently I've been neglecting this tradition due to headache, no doubt brought upon the world by those evil Jews.
vetala   
28 Dec 2009
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

2. Resist German and Russian expansionism.

Add also "Swedish", "Mongolian", "Ottoman" and everyone else who has ever invaded us.

4. Keep the faith.

Aw, I'm not a good Pole then. I can't remember the last time I prayed to Światowid.
vetala   
30 Dec 2009
Genealogy / Easy way to find out which Polish coat of arm/Clan you belong to. [105]

markskibniewski

Hello there, relative. My family has this CoA except ours looks slightly different due to marriages with other noble families. Unfortunately I don't know much about it other than that it's actually a very common CoA and our former president Jaruzelski had it too.
vetala   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

how likely is it that the average Pole has had at least one Jewish ancestor?

At least one? In that case all Poles do. I'd laugh if a Pole tried to convince me that they have not a single Jewish ancestor.

Have there been any significant genealogical studies on this?

Simple math - in 1790 around 30.000 Jews converted following the teachings of Jacob Frank. Assuming that every each one of them had only 2 kids and a generation counts as 30 years that gives the number of 7 680 000 of their descendants in the year 2000. All of them resulting from a SINGLE event.
vetala   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Current DNA tests are crap. They only test mtdna and ydna - the first one can be passed SOLELY by women and the second one SOLELY by men. So a mixed couple will have daughters with no trace of father's dna and sons with no trace of mother's dna.

WTF are you fighting over, guys? The thread was about how many Poles may have at least ONE Jewish ancestor, not about how much Jewish blood Poles have. It's kind of obvious that having one Jewish ancestor 300 years earlier won't change your genotype much.
vetala   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

There were about 2,500,000 Jews in Poland before Nazi Germany occupation, which doesn't even come CLOSE to 3/4 of the Jewish population at those times.

Yeah, because Jews only moved to Poland right before Nazi occupation.
vetala   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

From what I know, there weren't many of those in Poland.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frank#Baptism_of_the_Frankists

I was talking about the misinformed fact that was brought here before, that claimed Poland held more of 3/4 of the Jewish world.

It's not misinformed at all. Poland did hold 3/4 of the Jewish world. Centuries ago, when they were chased out of all other countries. Where else in the world could they live?
vetala   
2 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

The only country in Europe to never at any point in history have any anti-semitic law or decree.

Pity it's not known for having the biggest Jewish diaspora in the world, then. But still, kudos to Scotland.
vetala   
3 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Hmmm... three pages in just one day. Yeah, Jews really are special people. Everybody wants to discuss them all the time.
vetala   
4 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

It was a cultural thing, Nobles saw mixing with Jews as degradation

Bullsh*t. Lots of noble families intermarried with Jews (for example Radziwiłłowie, Potoccy, Lubomirscy, Lanckorońscy and Hutten-Czapscy) and Jews were often ennobled themselves.

I also disagree with Yehudi's conviction that a Jew would rather die than convert. According to the Polish law "Jeśliby Żyd który albo Żydówka do wiary chrześcijańskiej przystąpili, tedy każda osoba i potomstwo ich za szlachcica poczytywani być mają"

Meaning that every Jew who converts automatically became a noble and his family did too.
Here's an interesting article about the Jewish Neophytes (with nice drawing of their coats of arms if anyone's interested):
rp.pl/artykul/139640.html

But of course, that's only the nobles. They made up no more than 10% of the population so it's still not enough to significantly change the gene pool of the whole nation. Certainly not many peasants intermarried with Jews.
vetala   
5 Jan 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Why am I on a Polish forum if I wasn't drawn somehow to Poland?

I've been wondering about it, actually. Do you have some sort of link to Poland? You mentioned somewhere that you've been writing on this forum because of some experience in Poland, if I remember correctly?
vetala   
8 Jan 2010
Language / Funny/strange/deviant words in the Polish language [35]

A part from Polish, we can see in all these languages the occurrence of the Latin (and modern Italian, Spanish, French etc.) root "Luna" or of a slavic root exemplified by e.g. Czech Měsíc. Why not in Polish? What's the etymology of księżyc ?

'Miesiąc' used to mean 'moon' a long time ago but now it's no longer used in this context (now it means 'month'). It's the same with many other words such as 'lico' old Polish for face, still in use in some other Slavic languages.
vetala   
19 Jan 2010
Life / Poles are not racist [873]

Yes, LAGirl, your boyfriend being a racist is an unquestionable proof that all people who happen to have the same ethnicity as him must be exactly the same. It's a simple biological fact.
vetala   
26 Feb 2010
Genealogy / Polish-Ukranian roots and genes [72]

It's like saying that Poles are really Ukrainians. Our genes are similar because we share ancestry and we intermingled for centuries. We are still separated by culture and language.
vetala   
28 Feb 2010
Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]

Matowy
First of all - everybody has some sort of a fold. It's that thing which covers the upper part of your eyelid. Most people have a small fold but their eyelid is still visible. What we call an "epicanthic fold" is the fold which covers the whole eyelid (it's a bit like having a second eyelid) which causes Asians to look like they had no separate eyelids at all



However, there is also a form of epicanthic fold which non-Asians have - usually it doesn't cover the whole eyelid but only a part of it. People often confuse a 'regular' European fold with the epicanthic fold but I assure you - once you've seen it you definitely notice the difference. A small hint - part of the eyelid (reaching the eyelashes)remains covered at all times, not just when you 'make a face'. It's also visible when the eyes are closed.


vetala   
21 Mar 2010
Life / Babcia or Busha - any social class difference? [359]

Both are correct.

No, they aren't. The proper Polish language is the one used in Poland. 'Busia' or 'Busha' are neologisms and don't figure in any Polish dictionaries. The fact that some word is widely used by Americans of Polish descent does NOT make it a proper Polish word.
vetala   
22 Mar 2010
History / MAP OF POLAND IN 1880'S [95]

kingdom of warsaw

You mean Duchy of Warsaw, which existed for 8 years between 1807 and 1815?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Warsaw
vetala   
27 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Seeking Czarniecki family members and ancestors from Lublin, also Margiewicz, Danilowicz and Andrulewicz [77]

Trevek: Allegedly, when one scholar tried to write indepth about this she was blocked by a certain sector of the Polish academia.

And this 'certain sector' is of course 'the Poles', hm?
I've never heard of anyone 'not liking to hear' about Mickiewicz's Jewish mother (who wasn't really Jewish BTW, although she might have had some Jewish ancestry)

castellenator: more things that the poles do not like to hear.

Oh, these dastardly Poles...
vetala   
2 May 2010
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

hague1cmaeron

That would depend on when it happened. I've heard many things about antisemitism in pre-war Poland but to my knowledge there was never any restriction on their employment. On the other hand his father could have meant the time before Poland regained its independence (I don't know what Russia thought of Jewish doctors). And of course he wouldn't be allowed to work in the hospitals during WWII. He could be also speaking of communist times, there was that whole "Anti-Zionist" campain, when many Jews lost their jobs (although it was mainly jobs connected to politics and administration). Finally, he could have meant it not literally - that Jews were unwelcomed in Tarnopol's hospitals or something.

A thing worth noting about Tarnopol is demography - In 1939 50% of the population was Polish, 40% Jewish and 10% Ukrainian. If half of the population wasn't Polish then I find it unlikely that hospitals were run solely by Poles.
vetala   
2 May 2010
Food / Poles prefer pizza & kebab? [73]

British people love curry and I don't hear anyone complaining.
I eat soups and pierogi every day at home. I get sick of them sometimes and wish for something new.