News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

You can certainly get Spreewalder Gurken in Kaufland now in Germany.

Plenty of East Germany breweries have bounced back now too.

love East German watches and have a few in my collection - just need to save a few decades for an A Lange & Sohne

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

No - higher earners pay a vastly disproportionate share of the total tax that the govt collects. That is the same in all EU countries. It's not just income tax - they pay tax when they earn interest, tax when they buy and sell stocks, tax when they buy a flash car, tax when they fly for their holidays, tax when they buy a house.

The paradox is that the middle and working classes in Poland pay a far higher percentage share of their earnings but a far lower gross amount. They also are benefiting from moves like 500+ and 13th pension.

innpoland.pl/152281,panstwo-lupi-biednych-im-mniej-zarabiasz-tym-wieksze-podatki-placisz

Difficult to find a fair system, but all are fairer than your medieval idea of only using the tax for the police and the army.

In any case the EU has basically no say in tax structures in each country, except VAT, so whatever is good and bad about the system is down to Poland's politicians and voters.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Are you serious dude ? An accounting professor from an unknown school in West Virginny.

The guy has such eccentric economic knowledge that I am amazed he is in that position - he can't even write in paragraphs, something I learned when I was about 9

But anyway I understand his solution for the old and the disabled is that we rely on charity and the church.

Is this minimal state thing your desired destination after Polexit ?

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Once again you are speaking nonsense - the government has plenty of other sources of cash. Sale of licenses, tariffs, fines, interest And many taxes that are paid by foreigners. of course none of these will exist in your night watchman state where people would be busy clobbering each other over the head and hunting in the forest for wild mushrooms and szczaw

You are wondering why people call your theories wacky.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Yes I am sure the Czechs (whose currency is tied to the Euro) and Slovaks (who use the Euro) would be thrilled to ditch their thriving export economy in order to please some eccentric neighboring governments. They are thriving now - in all 4 countries living standards are at record levels, why would they risk that ?

Have you ever worked in those places ? Spent any time there ?

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

So if you want to spend your own money on NGO to buy some new r shirts and hover boots for some bored Slovak teenagers then go ahead. Of courses most countries rightly have laws against foreign funding of political parties.

Im confused about your minimal state to be honest - do you mean I have to club together with my neighbors to fix the roads ? Some of them are drunk, some are kids, some are very old and none of them know about fixing roads. . Maybe a better idea is that people pay money into a big pot and hire some professionals to do it - that sounds kinda like a functioning tax system.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

But what about your night watchman state ? Minimal tax ? Now you are saying we should give Polish taxpayers money to fund Eurosceptic whack jobs and sexually repressed skinheads in other countries?

They already get plenty from Russia so god knows why they need Polish money

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

The Eurozone forecast is 1.4 percent. The total EU forecast is higher

The Uk forecast is 1.5 percent (after 4 years of lagging). That assumes a soft Brexit btw

There are many Eurozone countries with higher forecasts, including poor old Spain.

It is hardly a ringing endorsement of Brexit.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

spike I am happy with the overall rate of tax %- it's one of the lower ones in Europe and there might come a day when I need the safety net myself.

Sure some of it could be spent better and I am very uncomfortable with direct handouts that you get just for breathing, but I lived in a few countries and they all wasted money in their own particular ways.

Nothing would make me vote Konfederacja - they are total whack jobs. I met Korwin Mikke a few times and he is a loony for real - it's not just an act.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Well refugees were one of the reasons people voted for PiS

The main reason though were that people were tired of an increasingly corrupt PO

And another reason was 500 plus (not sure if those benefits would survive In your idealized night watchman state, but if not then probably good that Konfederacja break the news now that they intend to stop them - Then we will see what presses the buttons of Polish voters who actually live here)

Honestly I don't see much difference to myself in paying tax money to refugees or paying it to some poor family in Polska B - they are both necessary and they both make me poorer but I accept that that is a part of life.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

But in the 1000+ chapters of the Bible many subjects are discussed - homosexuality just a handful of times and I can't think of a single mention of abortion.

So what party best represents the other 50 hours worth of teaching - which includes forgiveness, sharing, caring for refugees etc ?

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

It is nonsense - like many Catholics I can make my own mind up about who to vote for and separate that from what I hear once a week in church or was taught when I was a kid.

Work / Minimum wage, multiple jobs and ZUS [3]

Depends on few factors - type of work, type of ZUS coverage etc - get a Polish speaker to talk you through the examples in the ZUS guide on umowa zlecenia

zus.pl/documents/10182/167567/Poradnik_umowy_cywilnoprawne/542ecb21-490d-4877-a27f-8524116f08fe

Or ask the HR dept of the second business. Or ask an accountant for clarity.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

That might be what the truth looks like to someone from Oshkosh or wherever who has never set foot in Poland. Makes about as much sense as me going on a Packers forum and sounding off about why they lost last night.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Exactly - you would think the Somalis would be happy with their minimalist state !

What actually happens there is the person most able to control security temporarily also controls food and water - no wonder people want to leave

Genealogy / Toboyek Surname Widnace Location Help [13]

Might be Swidnik rather than Swidnica - Swidnik was in the Russian partition and fits more with he other info.

Omelian is a Ukrainian version of Emilian - a Polish Christian name.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

But the Wikipedia link you sent talks about police, army and laws to protect property. This is a medieval system that would only ever benefit the people who had money at the time it was set up.

The state performs thousands of functions and generally the more advanced a state's role is the richer the country is - the highest living standards are in high tax countries, and mostly that comes with a good balance of freedom and citizens rights. I am generally a free markets, low tax person myself but I would rather live in Sweden than in Somalia.

There are some activitIes like public sanitation, protecting wildlife or looking after disabled people that will never be profitable - in your nightwatchman state then those people and animals would presumably be left in the street (except there would not be any streets because it's not profitable to maintain them).

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Nope - who would check your Japanese school was a real school ? Who would make sure those companies pension schemes invested it safely ?

Who would supervise airports ? The police can protect property but not stop people speeding (even though there wouldn't be any roads). Who would give accurate weather forecasts ? Who would make sure my beer wasn't poisonous ?

And the only place for police to recruit is in private primary schools ?

Btw - UK companies have pension schemes because it used to be the law. Where it is not the law (like in Poland) they don't have them. Chances of such a system being voluntarily implemented and self regulated are zero.

I'm not sure Harvard and Stanford are managed better - they are old and have the benefit of the English language to attract the worlds best teachers - just like state run Oxford and Cambridge which are always in those top 10 lists.

In Poland for instance stare run universities have far better students than most private ones.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

I dropped those because you said some people only measure economic benefits.

It is not only about NATO - the EU has a great deal of police and border cooperation. And war is less likely when your economies and supply chains are joined.

As for health then the EU makes drugs and equipment cheaper but rising living standards, lower unemployment all have huge effects on public health.

So what are the benefits of leaving the EU for a Pole, in Poland ?

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

God only knows this night watchman state thing withstands about 2 minutes of discussion. But it's surprisingly popular among Kowin Mike followers

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Ok - so tell me some of the soft or emotional benefits of Poland leaving the EU. And why would they outweigh health and security? Of course you spend no time here so you have not much to go on

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

And if you can't afford to go to Stanford ? What then ?

What about primary school ? What about teaching people to read and arithmetic ?

US life expectancy is lower than in high tax EU countries so why follow that rule ?

What about pensions ?

What about roads ?

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

And I guess that for you the drawbacks are something in relevant about immigration, something irrelevant about Muslims and something irrelevant about gay marriage?

Will be tough to convince people that those outweigh making a richer, safer, healthier, and having more opportunities.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

So in your night watchman state there is no education ? No roads? No health service ? No pensions ?

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Without doubt maybe a third of the city activities is idle speculation. But the other 2/3 is both useful and necessary and has financed great inventions from steam engines to railways to modern day computing and Pharma. I realize that those things could be funded by the government, as they were in communist Poland, and we all know what Polish technology was like in the 70s and 80s.

I don't know where this idea of becoming a second Singapore comes from and why it is attractive - there are already plenty such options in Europe, all small countries like luxembourg, Cyprus, Switzerland, Monaco etc. you can't run a low tax economy when you have got 60 million mouths to feed.

Britain has some fantastic industries where it is still a world leader- aerospace, pharma, finance, whisky, computing. Those are all industries that are going to be royally shafted by Brexit.

And yes it will take many years for the negative effects to be shown - I know that kind of reasoning doesn't appeal to Brexit voters who like Daily Express headlines and at the moment are getting wound up about a 19th-century alarm clock ringing

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

It's doing fine in the last week - the last 4 years is another story, a 20-25 percent decrease against all major currencies. Enough to kill off this airline with its tight profit magrins - though I understand BritIsh taxpayers are bailing it out, this will be the first in a long line of bailouts.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Difficult to have low taxes when they just promised everyone the moon on a stick to vote for them.

No chance of getting more taxes from corporations either - they will be leaving in droves or going bankrupt - in fact that has already started as I see FlyBe going down the tubes with the low sterling pushing up fuel and plane costs.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

No - your interpretation is incorrect - they said it could do better outside the EU. Asked a straightforward in/out it was 78 percent.

Now we can sit back and watch Britain make a pigs ear of Brexit, support for the EU is likely to rise

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

He is not an MEP - just a regular Posel. Not sure there is panic about Polexit - people who live here know the benefits of the EU which has near 80 percent support

Polonia / What is the opinion of Argentina in particular, and Southern America, in Poland? [6]

It is certainly not disliked - most people will have a positive and romantic view of Argentina - tango and steak and Messi plus quite a big Polonia. There is one Argentine star on the Polish TV - a judge on Poland's Got Talent :)