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What do Poles owe to Hungarians?


pawian 178 | 15,928
29 Sep 2012 #1
After an astounding success of threads like
What do Poles owe to Chechs?
What do Poles owe to Jews?
and many other,

it is time to start the dearest to many Polish hearts: about traditional Polish Hungarian ties/bonds!

The first (correct me if I am wrong) Hungarian contribution for Poland was Queen Jadwiga, today a saint and a patron of many churches, schools and other institutions.

Jadwiga (Polish pronunciation: [jadˈviɡa]; 1373/4 - 17 July 1399) was monarch of Poland from 1384 to her death. Her official title was 'king' rather than 'queen', reflecting that she was a sovereign in her own right and not merely a royal consort. She was a member of the Capetian House of Anjou, the daughter of King Louis I of Hungary and Elizabeth of Bosnia.[2] She is known in Polish as Jadwiga, in English and German as Hedwig, in Lithuanian as Jadvyga, in Hungarian as Hedvig, and in Latin as Hedvigis.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_of_Poland

Jadwiga of Poland

Saint Jadwiga Technical High School, the celebration of the patron`s day:

One of the best Polish king was Stefan Batory from Hungary:

Stephen completely reorganized the Polish Army. Among his genuine inventions was the piechota wybraniecka semi-professional infantry formation, composed of peasants trained in both infantry warfare and engineering. Stephen also reorganised the judiciary by formation of legal tribunals. He also founded the Academy of Vilna, the third university in the Commonwealth and a predecessor of the modern Vilnius University.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
5 Oct 2012 #3
Tasty, indeed

but

sorry, it doesn`t count here. I prefer to ignore things which discussed nations contributed to the whole world.

I want to focus on Polish contribution entirely.
Orpheus - | 114
5 Oct 2012 #4
In that case your thread should be about what Hungarians owe to Poles.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
5 Oct 2012 #5
Orp, stop playing childish games with the language. You know what I meant. :):):)

Think hard of a real Polish Hungarian contribution and share it with us.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
5 Oct 2012 #6
Csardas. One of the experiences i would like to one day enjoy, is sitting in a Budapest tavern, sipping Hungarian wine and listening/watching the Csardas:

youtube.com/watch?v=Meu3RJIVohU
sofijufka 2 | 191
6 Oct 2012 #7
Węgrzyn - hungarian wine
"Throughout later history, the Polish aristocracy has imported and consumed wine on a large scale. Until the 1930s, some Bordeaux châteaux were bottling wine with labels in Polish (Léoville-Barton is an example). However, the preferred wine here appears to have been Hungarian, or 'wegrzyn' as it was referred to ('Wegry' being the Polish word for Hungary). The influence Polish demand had on wine production in Hungary is reflected by the fact ..."

There was a polish proverb: Nie masz wina nad węgrzyna [There is no wine as hungarian wine]

And:
"Hungariae natum, Poloniae educatum" Zrodzone na Węgrzech, wykształcone w Polsce {Born in Hungary, educated in Poland}.
Kontusz
Kontusz (from Polish language; plural kontusze; also spelled in English language as Kontush or Kuntush from Ukrainian: Кунтуш) (originally Hungarian Köntösis - robe) - a type of outer garment worn by the Hungarian, Polish, Belarusian, Lithuanian and Ukrainian male nobility (szlachta). It became popular in the 16th century and came to the lands that were under Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth rule via Hungary from Turkey. In the 17th century, worn over an inner garment (żupan), the kontusz became a notable element of male Polish national and Ukrainian cossack attire.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
9 Oct 2012 #8
There was a polish proverb: Nie masz wina nad węgrzyna [There is no wine as hungarian wine]

Yes, that was heavy drinking with Hungarian wine.

Heavy drinking Poland
Orpheus - | 114
9 Oct 2012 #9
Pawian. Please settle a dispute I have with students. How old was Jadwiga when she was crowned?
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
9 Oct 2012 #10
Without googling, 13. Of course, I mean her marriage with Jagiełlo. Why?

After googling, 10.
Orpheus - | 114
9 Oct 2012 #11
Why?

Because some say she was crowned when she was 10, and married at 13.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
9 Oct 2012 #12
I edited my previous post. 10.

Csardas. One of the experiences i would like to one day enjoy, is sitting in a Budapest tavern, sipping Hungarian wine and listening/watching the Csardas:

Is it so popular in Poland to mention it????? :):):):):):)

Ok, ok, I give up. Guys, you can post about any Hungarian contribution to the world`s culture, even loosely connected with Polish affairs.

That is why I decided to swallow my own words which I said to Orpheus.

I prefer to ignore things which discussed nations contributed to the whole world.I want to focus on Polish contribution entirely.

Dear Or, I am realy sorry for being so strict.

Yes, that was heavy drinking with Hungarian wine.

See it at 14:38 - drinking, eating, singing, shooting, destruction, wanton sex. Polish gentry of 17 century.

In 1920, when Poland was in extremely difficult military situation, Hungarians sent ammo and supplies whoich proved crucial to win the war against Bolsheviks.

https://polishforums.com/history/hungarians-miracle-vistula-poles-remember-53458/
sobieski 107 | 2,128
10 Oct 2012 #13
Did anybody already go to that Hungarian shop in Saska Kępa? "Papryka". I heard it is delightful, if not very cheap.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
11 Oct 2012 #14
yummy!

papryka-salami.pl/asortyment.php
polonius 54 | 420
21 Oct 2012 #15
There's another Hungarian food shop in Gen. Zajączka street near Carrefour.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
19 Dec 2012 #16
Another thing we should be grateful to Hungarians is Polish Hungarian cooperation during the II WW. In 1939 Hungarians refused to allow Hitler`s armies into Hungary (Slovaks agreed and Poland was attacked from the territory of Slovakia by joint Nazi and Slovakian units). About 120.000 refugees, both military and civilians, crossed the Polish Hungarian border after the Soviet invasion on 17 Sep 1939. Most of them moved to allied countries like France and Great Britain to carry on fighting. General Maczek was one of thousands soldiers who made their way to the West.

What did the fascist Hungarian government, politically allied with Hitler at the time, do about it? Exactly nothing. They were so proPolish that till 1941 the low rank kind of Polish embassy was operational in Budapest. With the Polish eagle over the entrance.

When Poles formed their underground, the route through Hungary was one of the most popular ways to escape from occupied Poland to the free world.

Who helped Poles in Hungary? Everybody. The government, the Church, charities, average people.

Thanks a lot.

posasiedzku.pl/news?msg=431388

TBC
GabiDaHun 2 | 152
19 Dec 2012 #17
In Return the Poles never ratified the ghastly Trianon treaty. So the thanks are reciprocated.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
19 Dec 2012 #18
And sent substantial aid during Budapest Revolt 1956....

In Return the Poles never ratified the ghastly Trianon treaty. So the thanks are reciprocated.

Yes, it was sort of partitions for Hungary:
The Treaty of Trianon was the peace agreement signed in 1920, at the end of World War I, between the Allies of World War I and Hungary (one of the successor states to Austria-Hungary).[1][2][3][4] The treaty regulated the status of an independent Hungarian state and defined its borders. Compared to the pre-war Kingdom of Hungary (which was part of Austria-Hungary),

Purple - Hungary after the Treaty

Treaty
JakeRyan
18 Jul 2021 #19
I love Hungary. If only it wasn't prone to oppressive heat waves in summer!
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
18 Jul 2021 #20
I still buy Hungarian paprika paste which first appeared in Poland in 1970s. A simple sandwich with Podlaski cheese became a tasty school lunch with the paste inside. When it became unavailable due to general shortages of the system, I preyed on my classmates who were lucky enough to have it in their sandwiches. :):):)

There are two versions: mild and spicy.



Alien - | 69
18 Jul 2021 #21
Hungary means for me; salami (Pick is the best ) and Tokaj ( Wein der Könige, König der Weine ). They are also nice people.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
18 Jul 2021 #22
salami (

You mean the original donkey meat salami of course.
Alien - | 69
18 Jul 2021 #23
Yes yammie-yammie. Very thin slices.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
18 Jul 2021 #24
Very thin slices.

No, think slices don`t offer enough resistance to our teeth and jaws. It is like consuming paper. We need thick slices for out taste buds to know what we are eating!
Crow 149 | 9,413
18 Jul 2021 #25
The first (correct me if I am wrong) Hungarian contribution for Poland was Queen Jadwiga

Sure I will correct you. By heraldry Jadwiga is Polish of Serbian origin. Check Jadwiga`s family tree and you shall see that highest ranking noble house in her ancestry belong to Serbian Imperial Nemanjic dinasty. Others are also royalty but with maximal title- The King. Only Nemanjic house was Imperial and as such recognized by Pope of Rome and Patriarch of Constantinople. Its only ever example in European history that one house was granted titles from both. Sure, before later was cursed by both, what is again unique in European history for one Imperial house.

It was forbidden to mix blood of most powerfull Slavic magnate houses from Baltic to Balkan, Polish Piasts and Serbian Nemanjics and so it was not allowed (by certain centers) to Jadwiga to have children.
OP pawian 178 | 15,928
18 Jul 2021 #26
It is very complicated but if you say so, we are prone to believe you.
Crow 149 | 9,413
18 Jul 2021 #27
What I know no other Imperial house in her veins.

Yes, it was sort of partitions for Hungary:

It was not partition. It had to be just resolve but it was neither that. Hungary was agressor but younger partner in AH. Still, Hungary was severly punished while Austria practically escaped punishmant. Must be some Anglo and papal service to Germanics.

Anyway, only states that historically existed thruout history paralel with Hungary were/are Serbia, Slovakia and later Austria. All other that got some territory of Hungary after Trianon never existed as states. Meaning, Hungary do have right to demand cancelation of Trianon with Romania, Croatia and Ukraine. Well, maybe not with Ukraine but let me leave it as open question.
Alien - | 69
19 Jul 2021 #28
We need thick slices for out taste buds to know what we are eating!

As I know the slices of salami should be so thin that one can see what is on other sideof the slice.
Crow 149 | 9,413
19 Jul 2021 #29
I support Hungarian demands for revisions of Trianon. This process may contribute to stability of the region.
Oathbreaker 1 | 284
19 Jul 2021 #30
@Crow
Piast dynasty (those who later on were Dukes/princes) mixed with local nobility to uphold influence locally and have ties with those who were powerful. So the Polish nobility mixing mainly exclusively within it's own social group has Piast blood (to a small degree, but still). Later on during XIX century to mend differences and the blood of Szlachta which was spilled by Polish peasants in the Austrian partition there was a trend of intermarriage between peasants and Polish nobility (Szlachta).

It's not without reason that it's written and sang in ROTA: "Z królewski sztep Piastowy", where the hymn was sung in area in Prussian/German partition that didn't have class massacre and acknowledged differences yet being United through common struggle not by blood against Prussian/German oppression.

While in Russian partition it was a mix of everything, competition with each other based on anything (class, religion, street/village belonging, nationality, subliminal behaviour towards the Tsar/non-subliminal behaviour towards the Tsar)

So Germanic partitions tended to create more co-operation, while Russian partition was far more divisive. (Just like relations between Lithuanians and Poles soured after failed uprising against the Tsar)

Poland has enough conflicts and divisions, and those wanting to settle things down and create unity has the problem with those who don't mind creating conflict. Cause they accept that conflict is to be solved openly, as soon as possible and not put ones head in the sand. By words, not by arms tho.

So it's great that Polish-Hungarian relationship still thrives on despite linguistically different languages, even in situations when Poland and Hungary were in opposing political camps.

So far Poland and Hungary are part of the EU, which I hope dearly will remain.


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